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Wilshire Grand hotel is slated to be torn down, replaced by a new development featuring office space and a smaller hotel.
More office space... smaller hotel???
Aren't they doing this backwards? Office vacancy rates are climbing and hotel bookings are expected to pick up due
the increased number of convention bookings?

Tear down the Wilshire Grand? I thought Century City was the only place they tore down large structures to build anything new.
     
     
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Rats, you guys beat me to it!

In my opinion, they should've used a surface parking lot.

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^Could this be an April Fool's Day gag, and the LA Downtown News got the date wrong (as per usual)?
If DT News is trying to be funny, they really suck at it because April Fool's was yesterday.

But, if this is true, it would be the first new proposal for Downtown in what, almost a year? It just shows how far down the toilet pipe the economy has gone.
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^ My point was that the LA Downtown News is notorious for getting dates, etc. wrong. Also, based on the current economic climate, the story sounds more than a little fishy - kind of like a bad April Fool's Day joke.

Sorry... I felt the need to clarify that based on your response.
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From Bloomberg, 60 story office building, 40 story hotel (700 rooms) and apt or condos on the top (about a 100). completion in 2014, ground breaking in 2011, korean banks interesting in financing, and a Small Rendering.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNpZaYtrQ9Ig&refer=home

Korean Air, Thomas Plan $1 Billion L.A. Office, Hotel Complex
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By Daniel Taub

April 3 (Bloomberg) -- Korean Air Lines Co. and Thomas Properties Group Inc. plan to build a $1 billion office-and- hotel complex, downtown Los Angeles’s first office high-rise since 1992, to capture rising demand after the U.S. recession.

A 60-story office tower with 1.15 million square feet (107,000 square meters) of space and a 40-story hotel with as many as 700 rooms will be built on a full city block where the Wilshire Grand Hotel now stands, Seoul-based Korean Air and Los Angeles-based Thomas Properties said today in a statement. Korean Air has owned the hotel and the land since 1989.

Development of high-rise towers in the U.S. has been slowed by the global credit crisis and a drop in demand for space amid the recession. In downtown Los Angeles, the Grand Avenue residential, hotel and retail project planned by Related Cos. has been stalled by a lack of funding. Korean Air and Thomas Properties said they expect financing will be available for their project by the time construction begins, likely in 2011.

“It’s reasonable to assume that the credit market will get fixed and start flowing again,” Thomas Properties Chief Executive Officer James A. Thomas said in an interview. “The ideal timing is to get everything lined up, and as you come out of the recession, you have the product to deliver. So I think our timing is really superb.”

Early Stage

Plans for the project, which Thomas said will cost "$1 billion, plus or minus,” are in their early stages, he said. Korean Air and Thomas haven’t yet decided whether Thomas Properties will have an equity stake in the project, planned for completion in 2014, or how large such a stake would be.

Thomas Properties and Korean Air also will decide later whether the complex’s hotel will include condominiums or rental apartments on its top floors. As many as 100 residential units may be included, James Thomas said.

The project doesn’t have financing and may be seeking it at a time when banks have curtailed lending for real estate as commercial loan delinquencies and office vacancies rise.

The Los Angeles metropolitan area had about $7.5 billion in distressed properties as of the end of March, a 168 percent jump from December, according to data from Real Capital Analytics.

“Korean banks are interested, but it’s too early to say anything yet,” Korean Air Chief Executive Officer Yang Ho Cho said in an interview. Korean Air also will need to select an operator for the complex’s hotel, he said.

Wilshire Grand

In addition to the 896-room Wilshire Grand, which sits on the corner of Wilshire Boulevard and Figueroa Street, Korean Air also owns three hotels in Korea and one in Hawaii, as well as office buildings in Los Angeles, Japan, Hong Kong and Korea. The company is South Korea’s biggest air carrier, and employs more than 1,000 people in Los Angeles.

Thomas Properties, founded in 1996, owns office, retail and apartment buildings in California, Texas, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Its properties in Southern California include City National Plaza, an office complex with two 51-story office towers that occupies an entire city block in downtown Los Angeles.

The shares are down 85 percent in the year through yesterday, reducing the company’s market value to $52.5 million.

Downtown Los Angeles, which was dominated for decades by banks, law offices, accounting firms and government offices and had few residents and little nightlife, has undergone a revival over the past decade, with the opening of the Staples Center sports arena, Walt Disney Concert Hall and the L.A. Live entertainment complex.

No Office Towers

While high-rise hotels and residential buildings have been added to downtown Los Angeles’s skyline, no major office buildings have been added in the city’s core in almost two decades. The last built was Maguire Properties Inc.’s 54-story Two California Plaza, completed in 1992, James Thomas said.

Downtown Los Angeles has about 14 million square feet of space in so-called trophy office buildings, and about 88 percent of that space is leased, James Thomas said. Once the economy improves, it will take three to five years for those buildings to reach 93 percent occupancy, the point at which landlords are considered to have pricing advantage over office space, he said.

“We are overdue for an office building,” Thomas said. “We need it.”

To contact the reporter on this story: Daniel Taub in Los Angeles at [email protected].
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Old Posted Apr 3, 2009, 6:39 AM
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It's too bad they would have to tear down a perfectly good building for this project--downtown would be better off if it were built on one of the giant vacant parcels being held for Metropolis, L.A. Central--or even Grand Ave.

that's LA for you. we tear and rebuild more than average. look at cc.
     
     
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The 60- and 40-story towers, rendered in blue in this
architect’s sketch, would rise alongside the 110
freeway and house a hotel, offices and stores in 1.8
million square feet.



South Korean Firm Unveils Plans to Put Its Stamp on L.A. Skyline

Conglomerate Korean Air proposes building a pair of high-rises to replace the aging Wilshire Grand hotel. The project would cost $1 billion.

By Roger Vincent and Peter Pae
April 3, 2009

The aging Wilshire Grand hotel and adjoining offices in downtown Los Angeles would be demolished and replaced with a $1-billion hotel, office and retail complex under a plan by one of South Korea's largest business conglomerates.

The proposal is unexpected at a time when builders are backing away from big projects, and when the market for office space and condominiums has softened considerably because of the recession.

At 1.8 million square feet, the project is also a testament to the rising clout of L.A.'s Korean community, the largest outside of Seoul.

"This will be an icon of the Korean community for Los Angeles," said Yang Ho Cho, the chairman of Korean Air, which is developing the project.

Korean Air is the flagship company for Hanjin Group, which has $20 billion in annual revenue from its interests in land, sea and air transportation as well as construction, heavy industry, finance and information services.

Hanjin's involvement raises the project to a new level, marking the first time that a South Korean developer has engaged in an endeavor of this magnitude. The move is particularly significant because the company is what South Koreans call a chaebol, one of the family-owned conglomerates that dominate the nation's economy.

"This is on a bigger scale and it shows the growing clout" of Korean and Korean American investors, said Kyeyoung Park, associate professor of anthropology at UCLA's Center for Korean Studies.

Plans for the project, announced Thursday, call for replacing the 1950s-era Wilshire Grand -- located at Figueroa Street and Wilshire Boulevard -- with a luxurious 40-story hotel with as many as 700 rooms and topped by several floors of condominiums.

Next door would be an even taller building, a sleek 60-story tower with 1.1 million square feet of rentable office space. At ground level would be shops, a landscaped park and a public plaza.

It would be the first major high-rise office building constructed in L.A. since 1992.

The airline has hired Thomas Properties Group, one of the city's best-known developers, to oversee the project.

"It's amazing that anybody has the capacity to engage in new construction right now," said City Councilwoman Jan Perry, who is familiar with the proposal and supports it so far. "I'm looking forward to engaging in the process to move it forward."

But for those familiar with Korean Air, the latest project is not surprising and is in keeping with its roots as a chaebol.

A high-end hotel fits well with the conglomerate's operations in Los Angeles: It makes parts for airplanes, flies the planes here as the busiest Asian carrier at Los Angeles International Airport, runs travel agencies that book the tickets and operates a catering business that serves the food on the planes.

It already owns several hotels in South Korea, including the Hyatt Regency next to the Incheon airport, and drives guests there in its own buses.

The daughter of the chairman of the chaebol runs its hotel division.

Korean Air eked out an operating profit of just $18 million in the fourth quarter of last year but is believed to be in a strong enough financial position to back the hotel project.

Money began flowing from South Korea to Los Angeles in the 1970s but really picked up in the late 1990s, as South Koreans built shopping malls and other projects in Koreatown, helping fuel the growth of Korean banks.

The Wilshire Grand project -- on prime downtown land and outside of Koreatown -- kicks it up a notch, said UCLA's Park.

Thomas Properties Chairman Jim Thomas, who has helped build downtown landmarks including the US Bank Tower, is currently working on a proposed $800-million, mixed-use project in Universal City that would house the new studio and West Coast headquarters of NBC Universal.

Before work can begin on Wilshire Grand, the project must win approval from the city of Los Angeles, a lengthy process. But Thomas said in an interview that if all went according to plan, construction could begin by 2011 and be complete by 2014.

The project is being proposed at a gloomy time for the commercial real estate market, when few buildings are being sold -- much less built. But Thomas said he believes that will turn around by the time the project is ready to go.

"Construction costs are going down," Thomas said. "This is the best time to get started."

Los Angeles architect David Martin, a principal at AC Martin Partners, is designing the project. Martin designed the Figueroa-at-Wilshire high-rise across the street from the Wilshire Grand in 1990 and more recently worked with Thomas building the environmentally friendly California Environmental Protection Agency headquarters in Sacramento.

His modernist design calls for the towers to be situated on the site at a north-south angle to take advantage of sunlight, and may include a photovoltaic skin to create solar power. Some windows would open to an exterior clad in glass and perhaps terra cotta.

The new hotel, located across the street from a subway station, would have fewer rooms than the 896-room Wilshire Grand but would be more luxurious, Thomas said. It would also have meeting and banquet facilities supported by parking for 1,700 cars.

The Wilshire Grand, built in 1952, was originally a Hotel Statler and later a Hilton. Once one of the city's best hotels, it is now a mid-market inn catering to conventioneers and tour groups from overseas. The property is a few blocks north of Staples Center and has office wings that are 15 stories high.

Korean Air bought the hotel in 1989.

Hanjin's connection to Los Angeles runs deep. The chairman, his brother, his sister and his three children all graduated from USC. The chairman, known as Y.H. to his American friends, is on the USC board of trustees.

At LAX, Korean Air is the busiest Asian carrier, with six departures a day, all of them operated on jumbo jets such as the Boeing 747 and 777 wide-body aircraft.

Next year, the airline expects to be the first Asian carrier to operate the Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger jet, at LAX.

Despite a global downturn in air travel, Korean Air is one of the few foreign carriers that have been adding flights, particularly at LAX, as it has expanded its marketing to Chinese and American passengers flying to Asia.

In an interview with The Times this week, Cho, the Korean Air chairman, said the airline had anticipated the economic downturn and began building up its cash reserves more than a year ago.

"We expected some problems and we prepared by accumulating cash," Cho said, adding that the airline also began expanding to emerging markets in Eastern Europe and Africa.

While the number of South Korean travelers fell 20% last year, overall passenger traffic increased, he said.



An artist's sketch shows a street-level view of the 40- and 60-story towers proposed for the property
now occupied by the Wilshire Grand hotel in downtown Los Angeles. Owner and developer Korean Air
unveiled plans to build a $1-billion complex that will include a hotel, offices and retail space.



The two high-rise towers, rendered in blue in this image,
would stand shoulder to shoulder with other skyscrapers
alongside the 110 freeway.



Thomas Properties Group will oversee the project,
designed by Los Angeles architect David Martin, a
principal at AC Martin Partners.



The $1-billion complex would encompass 1.8 million
square feet in a 40-story hotel tower and 60-story
office tower.
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now that's infill

don't hold your breath though. this is LA, not chicago.
     
     
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I like the massing, I like the angles, i like the street interaction, I like the SCALE

If they keep it all roughly that (and glassy), I'll be happy.

The hotel it replaces is no big loss, though it would have been nice to replace something even worse, or somethings that only a parking lot now.
     
     
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Is it just me, or does this building look like the Bank of America building under construction in NY?
     
     
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Like the look of it. Very reminicant of the new BofA Tower in NY...spire included. Hmm, Am i seeing a LACK of a helipad on that tower as well? Or is it just moved or adjusted. As far as it being in another location...yeah it would be nice, but it sounds as if the owners of the current hotel are still part of this, so since they (Korean Air) already have the property, it makes sense for the to just utilize it.
My my,
Like the ground level of the complex, it avoids the massive barren plaza that seems to be a fav in new designs. It would be interesting...and the timeline for the start sounds reasonable. Guess we will see.
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I was thrilled to see that story on the cover of the Times this morning. If this actually happens (a big if, undoubtedly), then it looks like the upcoming high-rise construction drought won't be quite as bad as ancitipated. They're definitely making a gamble with such a big project in this economic climate, but it's probably a decent bet that the economy will be on the upswing by the time the project is ready for occupancy, if not already in full-on boom mode. Too bad Maguire didn't get the development contract, though. We sure could use it! =D

Edit: And hopefully part of this project will be to resurface Wilshire in front of that block. It sucks right there.
     
     
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Edit: And hopefully part of this project will be to resurface Wilshire in front of that block. It sucks right there.
The Wilshire Blvd. side of the project will be, what looks like, the "back" side of the office building. However, it also appears that there will be no set back from the side walk and it's also safe to assume there will be a substantial retail component to this project overall. So I wouldn't worry too much about how this project will fit in the context of a walkable FiDi. In fact, I think it will be an incredible catalyst to the area, including the expedited major upgrade to 7+FIG.

It will be interesting to see how this project could spawn multiple upgrades to other surrounding high-rise properties as other owners decide to "match" their new neighbor by seeking psychic income of their own. Namely, the biggest need for improvement in the entire area is undoubtedly Macy's Plaza, which is SUCH a drain on the retail development of Downtown since it sits right smack in the middle of everything in the Financial District. With its blank walls and ugly entrance, how could it coexist with all the new developments going on even today? (ie, Bottega Louie, etc.)
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The Wilshire Blvd. side of the project will be, what looks like, the "back" side of the office building. However, it also appears that there will be no set back from the side walk and it's also safe to assume there will be a substantial retail component to this project overall. So I wouldn't worry too much about how this project will fit in the context of a walkable FiDi. In fact, I think it will be an incredible catalyst to the area, including the expedited major upgrade to 7+FIG.

It will be interesting to see how this project could spawn multiple upgrades to other surrounding high-rise properties as other owners decide to "match" their new neighbor by seeking psychic income of their own. Namely, the biggest need for improvement in the entire area is undoubtedly Macy's Plaza, which is SUCH a drain on the retail development of Downtown since it sits right smack in the middle of everything in the Financial District. With its blank walls and ugly entrance, how could it coexist with all the new developments going on even today? (ie, Bottega Louie, etc.)
I agree that this could be a major catalyst for the area, but I think you might be overestimating the scope of the "upgrade" at 7+FIG. They're spending $3 million (which doesn't go very far) on mostly cosmetic upgrades, which will do little for the mall other than on-the-surface updates. The main problem with 7+FIG is that all the tenants are closing shop. If they can attract Target into the old Macy's (and possibly also the old Broadway) space(s), as has been speculated, that will be a bigger boon for 7+FIG and the surrounding area than anything Brookfield does to upgrade the cosmetic appearance. Additional retail and dining options at this proposed new development, however, should have a huge impact. Another thing that will really help is L.A. Live and the continued development/opening of affordable housing, restaurants, bars, and other attractions to make downtown into a night destination. Downtown will never truly flourish as long as people flee when the sun goes down.

I also agree that Macy's plaza is a huge eyesore and may be hampering development of the surrounding area. I strongly believe that a major upgrade (at least $50 million--and it needs it badly ) or an entirely new development there would do wonders for the area.
     
     
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Comparisons can be made to BofA in NY and the Cira Center South proposal in Philadelphia. In general I think this is a great proposal, and would love to see it built. Good thing is we have plenty of time to analyze this to death before we get any real answers...
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^^^OMG! I hope this thing get's buit.
     
     
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This is a really nice proposal. I hope that it would be built. These two buildings, plus the Maguire Tower, and Metropolis, would really help pull South Park and the Financial District together. It would be great if these will materialize.

I think downtown is in a good position--all things considered. If the economy picks up and the credit markets ease, then there could be some serious development quickly. Grand Ave would begin pretty shortly, if they can get the funds. The Ritz will open shortly which would put pressure on LA Central to get going. These projects would create a mini-boom. People would be more willing to invest if it looks like there will be long term returns. The movement connection to the Westside via the Expo line and the serious progress on the Downtown connector would also be promising signs for developers. The timing seems good for these events to coincide with the beginning of an economic expansion. If that works out, that would mean Downtown would be on the front end of the boom, rather than the back end, like this last time.
     
     
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Is it just me, or does this building look like the Bank of America building under construction in NY?
Nope! It looks almost just like it.

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no, not at a 90 percent rate they don't. remember, this is the city where noone can be trusted to back up their words. all talk. don't you agree?
Err.....ever heard of Waterview and Waldorf Astoria?
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Hey, wait a minute... are you gonna update the 1st page, Colemonkee?
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