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Old Posted Mar 7, 2009, 9:54 AM
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Anyone see this on PBS Buffalo recently?

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/507/index.html

It's a feature on transit and the stimulus package in the US, with an emphasis on the new Charlotte NC LYNX system.
Well spotted! A great little video to watch. It seemed the that conservative, Republican Mayor who put forward the transit agenda was very committed to the concept. I plucked out some pro-light rail comments that I thought were interesting.

...Thousands more people are riding the line every week than was expected...

...In the heart of the south, where people love their cars, McRory's light rail line is winning hearts and minds...

...Mass transit allows us to shape that growth, instead of continuing to sprawl out beyond our cities, Americans would have the option to live in a walkable, urban environment...

McRory: "Downtown Charlotte was basically an 8-5 office park. People came in at 8 and went inside and then got in their cars and went into the suburbs... Now it's area of incredible vitality, entertainment and work environment."

...Rolling right by the basketball arena, the football stadium and the children's museum...

...But, the most interesting area that's developing around the light rail is a ten minute ride from the centre of town. The south end is at the heart of Charlotte's hopes for urban renewal around transit after a history of blight and decay...

...In the early 1900's this area was home to Charlotte's industrial mills. But, in the years that followed, businesses abandoned the area and it became one of the worst neighbourhoods in Charlotte. Now, there are restaurants, apartment buildings and new construction everywhere...

Tracy Harris: "Now especially, when people ride it, and they are amazed at the diversity of people who are riding it and how clean it is and easy it is. They start to become believers really quick. I read in the paper all the time somebody saying 'I can read the paper on the way in.' That has value to people."

McRory: "Mass transit's not just about transportation. It's about economic development, creating jobs, and making money. And that's why a conservative like me supports it."

...But the light rail is not only lifting up high end real estate developers, it's also revitalising low income neighbourhoods...

Keith Parker: "We've had some relatively struggling communities be transformed by it."

...The Wilmore neighbourhood in the south end, one of the most distressed areas of the city, with high crime and not much in the way of desireable real estate as late as 2006. Now in 2009...

Keith Parker: "Property values went from about $92,000 to $195,000 in *this* economy. And just overall you've seen a neighbourhood absolutely transformed. These are not millionaires, and so on, these are blue collar, working class people."

...But Transit alone doesn't transform neighbourhoods, the key is the way you connect those neighbourhoods to the train stations, with well planned sidewalks, that create a walkable community...

McRory: "That's part of the total package of landuse design, it's not just the rail or the train, it's what you do off the rail and train. So the customer gets a fulfillment 'I can walk to place to get a sandwich, I can walk to go shopping, I can walk to go live. But many cities, you get off at 70s or 80s developments and there's no sidewalk, so they're not going to ride the train."

...When it is successful, transit can even foster social change. You'll see a diverse mix riding the rails and many credit the popularity of the light rail for connecting the inner city and the suburbs like never before. Ultimately the mass transit experiment in Charlotte is about redefining a city, while keeping it's character...

McRory: "What we want in Charlotte is big city opportunity, but we want to keep a small town environment and quality of life."

McRory: "You can wait until the pain arrives and implement change then, it will be an easy sell, but most likely you've waited too long and it'll be too expensive. Or you can anticipate the pain and change now and most likely the change will work and it'll be less expensive, but it's gonna be one hell of a sell."
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2009, 1:36 PM
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Another interesting American transit story:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...=moreheadlines
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Old Posted Mar 9, 2009, 4:20 PM
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Thousands more people are riding the line every week than was expected
Charlotte opened its LRT in November 2007, and hoped to reach 9,600 riders per day by the end of 2008.

They had already hit 16,900 by July, 2008.

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In the heart of the south, where people love their cars
I get so tired of this. Despite the constant claims of North American exceptionalism regarding our cars, people demonstrably respond to incentives and price signals. If you make driving cheaper and easier, people will do more of it. Likewise with transit.

There's no magical cultural obstacle - except for the obstacle against making the necessary changes to our system of transportation incentives.
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Old Posted Mar 10, 2009, 11:15 AM
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Council halts proposed transit fare hike

March 10, 2009
The Hamilton Spectator
http://www.thespec.com/News/Local/article/527227

The city has rejected a transit fare increase -- again. City councillors voted 8-7 yesterday to maintain the fare price ($2.40 cash and $1.85 for a ticket) for 2009.

Before Christmas a proposed 5- or 10-cent increase lost on a tie vote. Councillor Margaret McCarthy brought the issue back in budget deliberations.

Yesterday, transit staff said the fare increase was no longer necessary because the department found other savings to reduce its budget. A reduction in the budget fuel price saved $1 million, while an increase in ridership generated $1.2 million.

Mayor Fred Eisenberger, who argued for an increase in the previous debate, voted against a hike yesterday, noting the difficult economic times.

Several councillors, including Tom Jackson, argued for a small increase this year to limit the need for a large jump in 2010.
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Good news for now!

I still think that we should eliminate tickets, passes and BS and just make it cost a loonie. ridership would soar. even if they just trialed it for a couple months to see...
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Old Posted Mar 11, 2009, 11:39 PM
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My brother was saying that he'd heard that it was being suggested that the manufacture of Hamilton's LRT could be used as a way to stimulate the local steel industry. True/False?
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2009, 12:26 AM
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2009, 1:46 AM
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make it easy!

So maybe just use the twoonie. Lower the walk on price to $2 simple and easy and keep the ticket price @ $18.50 for 10. This will keep it reasonable. You have to increase ridership thru incentives and an attractive alternative.
1000 people at $2 is $2000. or 750 @ $2.40 is $1800. So it is basically butts in the seats and full buses so more riders is less cars and a a reduced carbon imprint.
Can you just imagine there are several rail manufacturing facilities. Think ProCor in Oakville, National Steel car, the old Dominion Casting.
Hamilton can do it.
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Old Posted Mar 12, 2009, 10:34 AM
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My brother might have heard about this discussion at City Hall:

Tensions Remain High Among City Councillors

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Ken Mann
3/11/2009

The developments out of U.S Steel have resulted in another night of heated words amongst Hamilton politicians.

Once again, Mayor Eisenberger and Councillor Sam Merulla were at the center of the ring.

Merulla is calling for the city to work with chartered banks on behalf of laid off workers and to stock the shelves of the city's food banks rather than "spinning wheels and talking rhetorically" after the mayor had given an optimistic review of his meeting with U.S. Steel executives.

Eisenberger fired back, insisting that such a characterization of the city's efforts is an "insult".

Councillors Bernie Morelli and Bob Bratina also squared off on Wednesday night, over the role that railway expansion might play in the recovery of the steel sector.

Bratina noting that "once you start making steel, it's a domino effect and everybody gains".

Morelli described that as "misleading".

The former Dofasco employee noting that he "knows a little bit about the steel industry, maybe not so much about the radio business".
Surely:
- rail expansion will require steel.
- steel can be provided from Hamilton.
- this would employ people who could be otherwise laid off.
- - these people would not need to claim benefits or redundancy.
- Heavy and light rail growth within Hamilton will:
- - provide jobs.
- - spinoff investment which transit provides.
- this would put money into the local economy again.
- money circulating stimulates the economy.
- virtuous cycle

I know that might be a very naive description of it all, but...
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Old Posted Mar 14, 2009, 3:16 PM
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The problem with having incentives to increase passenger levels to quickly is the lack of buses and empty seats on buses.

Several of the routes are at capacity and standing room only during most of the day. The addition of more seats is an expensive one from $1 mil each for an articulating bus to the cost of drivers for extra buses. If too many people try and use the bus, it may be only a short term gain until they get pissed off and go back to driving due to over crowded buses.

The bad publicity would be worse and take a long time to get rid of.

I not saying that we should not change the way we get people to take the bus and get more people taking the transit, but we should make sure we can handle the extra people.

I was in New Zealand in January and every city I went to had free core buses running all day, every day. The buses where always a hybrid and painted green and marked as a free bus. It did a quick loop around and through the core moving people from point A to B and connecting to other buses and the train station. Some cities had more than one free service.
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Council is back to purchasing ($3,730,000) the automatic next stop announcement again.

http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyre...23PW08038a.pdf
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 5:42 PM
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Council is back to purchasing ($3,730,000) the automatic next stop announcement again.

http://www.myhamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyre...23PW08038a.pdf
We have that on most London buses and all the underground trains now, but we didn't for years. Before that point we had the underground train drivers announcing and you could ask the bus driver to tell you when you were somewhere.

In the current economic climate, does this classify as a need or a want?

Didn't they want to avoid a fare increase?

Of course it depends exactly how they intend to get the money
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It's a need ordered by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal. The money will comes from the gas tax.

I'm mostly excited by the GPS technology. In the future you'll be able to see where your bus is at on a map from a cell phone, website or at a bus stop shelter.
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Old Posted Mar 22, 2009, 6:44 PM
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It's a need ordered by the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal. The money will comes from the gas tax.
Then that's cool, as long as it doesn't have to be funded locally

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I'm mostly excited by the GPS technology. In the future you'll be able to see where your bus is at on a map from a cell phone, website or at a bus stop shelter.
It's very useful, though hasn't stopped the typical saying:

"you wait around for ages for a bus and then two come along at once"
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2009, 4:25 PM
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There was a quote from Andrea Horwath today in the Spec about shifting manufacturing to needed products and it mentioned light rail:

"To Ontario NDP Leader Andrea Horwath, the greatest need is to start transforming Ontario's hemorrhaging industrial base.
"The reality is we have a great industrial infrastructure in this province and I fear the government doesn't see the value of that," says Horwath, Hamilton Centre MPP.
Horwath wants the budget to address "how do we transition our economy into the products of the future." Industries unable to stay afloat with traditional lines of business should get aid to make other wanted goods, she says.
"We might not be building the same products, but we would be using that infrastructure to build new ones, whether it's solar panels or the components for light rail."
http://thespec.com/article/535005
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We might not be building the same products, but we would be using that infrastructure to build new ones, whether it's solar panels or the components for light rail."[/B]
http://thespec.com/article/535005
I said that a while ago. That putting in the rail system could help all 3 companies, US Steel, A/M/Dofasco and National Steel Car.
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Stop ashphalt tiles and pollution of tar with light weight steel (reasonably priced).
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Stop ashphalt tiles and pollution of tar with light weight steel (reasonably priced).
Right on Bornagainbiking.
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Old Posted Mar 23, 2009, 5:37 PM
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Stop ashphalt tiles and pollution of tar with light weight steel (reasonably priced).
Too bad it's so fugly. They'll have to work on the aesthetics if they want to increase their market share.
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HSR gets $3.7 million communication system

March 23, 2009
By Nicole MacIntyre
Hamilton Spectator

The city is spending $3.7 million to put a new radio system on its transit fleet.

By the end of the year, every stop a city bus makes will be automatically announced by the communication system.

It will also allow the city’s transit dispatchers to keep in constant communication with bus operators.

The city’s current system is about five years overdue for replacement. It has failed four times since Christmas leaving drivers with no way to communicate in case of emergency.

“It’s a safety issue,” said Don Hull, director of transit. “It leaves the bus operators and passengers vulnerable.”
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