Millennium Line - Evergreen Extension | Completed - Page 61

fever · #**1201** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 12:38 AM**

Skytrain acts as regional rail because we don't have regional rail. For now and the foreseeable future, it is both that and a metro and it does both pretty well. I think there should be a regional system at some point, and we should plan for it now to reduce the cost when we eventually decide it's necessary.

In the meantime, skytrain should be built like other metro systems with stations or future stations every 1/2 mile to 1 mile. It'll become less and less regional-like. That's ok with me. Multiple stations do spread out the development, but each area can develop its own character before they join together. The two (or three) stations at Brentwood should help to define an axis on Dawson.

Metro-One · #**1202** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 2:45 AM**

Very true, just like how Metrotown and Patterson have now become one urban center (Metrotown) and Royal Oak is not to far away from being included. Also New Westminster and Columbia serve the same urban center (New West) and Brentwood and Gilmore are already merging into a single urban core much faster than i think many of us anticipated, and Holdom is not many years away from joining them.

Whalleyboy · #**1203** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 3:18 AM**

one day they'll need a line that hits just the main town centres

Jared · #**1204** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 3:20 AM**

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Originally Posted by racc

With too many stations, there is no focus for development. The reality is that SkyTrain functions as regional rail with the average trip length being over 10km. There is no point in adding a lot of stations. The TOD in Burnaby is getting very spread out. If there was only one station near Brentwood, the development would have been focused around that station and thus been more pedestrian friendly instead of being strung out along Lougheed which is a crappy place to walk.

There are several stations along the lines which should have probably be left off. They increase travel times, decrease the capacity of the system (fewer trips per hour per car) and increase the capital and operating costs of the system. If you want stations close together, it would be better to supplement the SkyTrain system with a street car system for local access.

Hence, having it as a potential future station. I'm not saving we should built enourmous amounts of stations (the amount of stations in the LRT era proposal was complete overkill) but it doesnt make sense to have a huge number of people who can't access the system quickly. Travel times dont start when you get on the train, they start when you leave your front door. WRT the regional rail stuff, me and fever are basically on the same page.

Capacity decreases due to stations really have more to do with a current temporary shortage of trains. Ultimately, you're headways will still be limited to 90 seconds or so regardless of station spacing. The only way less stations helps is that it allows you to pull off the same headways with less trains.

As for Brentwood, give it time. The Millenium Line hasn't been open that long. Eventually the whole stretch from Gilmore to Brentwood will be full of towers, it will just take time, and you'll see some walkable side streets develop (Dawson is already starting to do this). Lougheed itself will probably always be a semi-highway though.

racc · #**1205** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 3:44 AM**

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Originally Posted by Jared

Capacity decreases due to stations really have more to do with a current temporary shortage of trains. Ultimately, you're headways will still be limited to 90 seconds or so regardless of station spacing. The only way less stations helps is that it allows you to pull off the same headways with less trains.

There is always going to be money issues. Fewer stations enable the system to do more with less. The money saved on station construction, rolling stock and operations can be poured into buses or further system expansion. I'm glad they are only looking at 6 stations for the Evergreen Line. Looks like they have done their homework.

The fewer stations, the more competitive the travel times are with the automobile. Put too many stops in and people will just continue on driving. This is the problem with LRT. Stations are too inexpensive so they just can't resist the urge to put too many in. People will walk further to the station the faster the travel times are.

The problem with Brentwood area is all the stations promote development linearly along the line. If there was just one station, the development would be clustered around that station in a larger radius creating a great walkable neighbourhood. Its all clustered around Lougheed Hwy as well. I'm not sure if those condos will be selling that quickly in an economic downturn. It is not the nicest road to live near.

SpongeG · #**1206** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 5:38 AM**

theres not that many condos on lougheed most are off it with entrances etc on the smaller roads

deasine · #**1207** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 10:35 AM**

For previous discussions regarding the Evergreen Line LRT as well as the Evergreen Line SkyTrain Announcement, please see archived thread.

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What is the Evergreen Line Project?
The Evergreen Line is a new rapid transit line that connects Coquitlam Town Centre to Vancouver via Port Moody and Burnaby, starting at Lougheed Town Centre Station in Burnaby and ending near Douglas College in Coquitlam.

The Evergreen Line will be a fast, frequent and convenient SkyTrain service, connecting Coquitlam Town Centre through Port Moody to Lougheed Town Centre in approximately 13 minutes. The Evergreen Line will seamlessly connect to the current SkyTrain network, including the Expo, Millennium and Canada Lines, and will integrate with regional bus and West Coast Express networks.

The Evergreen Line is an essential element of The Provincial Transit Plan and the federal Building Canada Plan.

Route Alignment
The Evergreen Line will run north from Lougheed Town Centre on an elevated track along North and Clarke Roads, before entering a tunnel in the vicinity of Como Lake Avenue and emerging near Barnet Highway north of Clarke Road in Port Moody. Through Port Moody, the route will travel at-grade on the south side of the Canadian Pacific (CP) Rail lines before transitioning to the north side near the Port Moody/Coquitlam boundary. The Evergreen Line will continue next to the CP Rail lines to the West Coast Express Station in Coquitlam and will then run on an elevated track along Pinetree Way, ending near Douglas College in Coquitlam.

Stations
The Evergreen Line will have six primary stations: Lougheed, Burquitlam, Port Moody/West Coast Express, Ioco, Coquitlam/West Coast Express and Coquitlam City Hall/Douglas College.

These stations will drive system ridership growth by serving major destinations, connecting existing population and employment centers, and integrating with the existing transit network.

These station locations will promote use by ensuring the line is fast, convenient and competitive with other travel choices.

Up to two additional station locations along the Evergreen Line may be considered based on their ability to shape land use, stimulate increased system ridership through transit oriented development, and be affordable.

Project Goals

Provide fast, frequent and convenient rapid transit from Coquitlam to Vancouver
via Port Moody and Burnaby

Provide rapid transit for the communities of Burnaby, Vancouver, New Westminster, Coquitlam, Port Moody, Port Coquitlam, Anmore and Belcarra

Improve the transportation network throughout Metro Vancouver

Integrate travel modes and provide connectivity to the wider transit network
Seamlessly connect with the current SkyTrain network

Increase transportation choice

Support a reduction in auto use by providing an alternative to single occupancy vehicles
Increase transit mode share
Increase transit capacity in the Northeast sector
Ensure speed and reliability of the system
Support growth management

Support municipal growth management targets established by the region’s Livable Region Strategic Plan

Contribute to community building by stimulating future concentrated and mixed-use development
Support existing development and provide support for a positive business environment

Support environmental sustainability initiatives

Support provincial environmental goals by reducing regional car trips
Meet regional and local environmental objectives to preserve green space
Encourage pedestrian traffic along corridor

Source: Evergreen Line Website, Ministry of Transportation

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PROJECT OFFICE OPENING LAUNCHES EVERGREEN LINE
COQUITLAM – Construction of the Evergreen Line is taking a major step forward with the opening of the Evergreen Line Project Office, announced Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Kevin Falcon, federal Canadian Heritage and Official Languages Minister James Moore and TransLink CEO
Tom Prendergast today.

“The Evergreen Line will vastly improve transit options for people in Metro Vancouver’s northeast quadrant,” said Falcon. “It will also be a big boost to the region’s economy, providing over 8,000 direct and indirect jobs.”

“The Evergreen Sky Train extension will improve the quality of life of Tri-City residents by creating more transportation choices, cutting traffic, and by reducing pollution,” said Moore. “Our government is proud to be a partner in this project.”

Using SkyTrain technology, the 11-kilometre Evergreen Line will link neighbourhoods in Burnaby, Port Moody and Coquitlam and be fully integrated into the existing system, connecting directly onto the Millennium Line at Lougheed Station.

“Not only is the Tri-Cities area growing, we know that it’s the destination for a third of the commuters that today drive across the Port Mann Bridge from the South of Fraser,” said Prendergast.

“The Evergreen Line, linking to a new RapidBus service from Highway 1 at the Lougheed Station, has huge potential to attract substantial numbers of people from cars to rapid transit.”

The Evergreen Line will provide fast and frequent service to downtown Vancouver – improving the transit network throughout Metro Vancouver and facilitating economic growth and regional job creation. The Project Office will advance the Evergreen Line Project through design and construction
and will provide the public with the opportunity to learn more about the project, meet with staff, and give feedback and input as design and construction proceeds. Construction of the Evergreen Line is scheduled to begin in late 2010 and be completed in late 2014.

The Evergreen Line is jointly funded by the Government of Canada (up to $416.7 million), the Government of British Columbia ($410 million) and TransLink ($400 million). Approximately $350 million of the federal contribution is from the Building Canada Fund. The $1.4-billion project is a key component of the Provincial Transit Plan.

Source: The Government of British Columbia - http://evergreenline.gov.bc.ca/documents/NewsReleases/nr_ELPO_final_Feb28_09.pdf

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Station Designs
Information Yet To Be Available

deasine · #**1208** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 10:36 AM**

Figured we need a better title page reflecting the new Evergreen Line.

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deasine · #**1209** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 11:33 AM**

Anyone going to the office to take pictures? It's probably the same information there though -___-

Locked In · #**1210** Posted **Mar 2, 2009, 3:13 PM**

The archived thread referenced in the first post is a dead link - can that be fixed please?

Mac Write · #**1211** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 2:00 AM**

Here's an image of the Project office

SpongeG · #**1212** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 2:17 AM**

thats a nice waste of money

deasine · #**1213** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 2:33 AM**

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thats a nice waste of money

LOL! You have to admit it does look nice =P Ummmm MacWrite, photo source... ahem

LookedIn, do you see it now? It wasn't a broken link to me but it might be for everyone else because you guys aren't supposed to see "deleted" topics. I undeleted it now but kept it locked up.

mr.x · #**1214** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 2:35 AM**

Odd....couldn't they just have rented office space?

Mac Write · #**1215** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 2:50 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

LOL! You have to admit it does look nice =P Ummmm MacWrite, photo source... ahem

LookedIn, do you see it now? It wasn't a broken link to me but it might be for everyone else because you guys aren't supposed to see "deleted" topics. I undeleted it now but kept it locked up.

I don't follow why do you need the photo source?

deasine · #**1216** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 2:52 AM**

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Originally Posted by Mac Write

I don't follow why do you need the photo source?

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/announcement.php?f=166&a=356
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/announcement.php?f=166&a=313

Locked In · #**1217** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 3:37 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

LookedIn, do you see it now? It wasn't a broken link to me but it might be for everyone else because you guys aren't supposed to see "deleted" topics. I undeleted it now but kept it locked up.

The thread is coming up fine for me now. Thanks deasine.

officedweller · #**1218** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 3:43 AM**

Looks nice - it would make a nice picnic shelter at a park after it's used here.

racc · #**1219** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 4:07 AM**

There is an election soon.

nname · #**1220** Posted **Mar 3, 2009, 5:31 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

thats a nice waste of money

Well.. at least it will used for 6 years...