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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 10:34 PM
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I actually really like the Subway. I realize it's a challenge for high-sided vehicles but it's not like they aren't warned ahead of time.

As for the railroad itself. I'd hardly call it a major line. There's probably not more than a half dozen trains through there a day anyway. The cost of rerouting the tracks around the city, plus tearing up the existing lines, plus moving the train station, plus purchasing all the new land etc etc etc would cost a fortune. And realistically, it's not that huge of an inconvenience having the line run through town.
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I agree with Myles. The cost to CNR of rerouting the main line north of town would be huge, and I think it would be very difficult to obtain the right of way to do this. It won't happen.

As Myles says, there probably aren't more than 6-8 trains a day through the downtown. The train traffic isn't that much of a pain. In addition, none of the trains pass through after about midnight. I don't think having the CNR main line behind the subway block precludes residential development of this site. In fact, I think having the occasional train passing by is actually kind of exciting!

You have to keep in mind that the sort of individual who would be most likely to buy a downtown loft style condo is somebody who doesn't have children. A location like the subway block could potentially be quite attractive to an unattached urban professional. Throw in adjacent indoor parking and you might have a winner!
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I love the subway, I would say its close to a local landmark. And its sorta a running local joke about the couple of drivers a year that end up turning their trailer into a 1/2 open sardine can. I have heard they used to paint it up all nice a while back, I think that would be a good idea to make a comeback. The grey is alright, but its just a hot-spot for graffiti...if it was already painted up it would reduce that a lot.

And the rail line is nice too, its part of the citys heritage and its really neat that we have the line running the way it does...plus we get to have a downtown train station, which comes in handy...and could serve as a greater boon with the new arena etc.


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The railway may not be as integral to the economy of the city as it used to be, but the CNR line through downtown and the subway in particular still are major defining features of the persona of the city.

If the subway were gone, it would be like tearing a large part of the heart and soul out of downtown. How would Moncton be any different from the other large cities in the Maritimes if the railway passing through downtown were suddenly gone?
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Old Posted Feb 23, 2009, 11:46 PM
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The railway may not be as integral to the economy of the city as it used to be, but the CNR line through downtown and the subway in particular still are major defining features of the persona of the city.

If the subway were gone, it would be like tearing a large part of the heart and soul out of downtown. How would Moncton be any different from the other large cities in the Maritimes if the railway passing through downtown were suddenly gone?
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Gulf Fisheries Center (during todays snowstorm)

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The footprint of the justice center doesn't seems that big, based on the picture on page 215?

The Subway block would be great for Condo's, a photo studio/gallery, IT company, Graphic Design company, all kinds of things...it just needs to be brought up to today on the inside. It's like the building that Terra Verde is in, that is a fantastic building, but it too needs a LOT of work.

You can't take out the train bridge and reroute, that's not fiscally feasible, but what IS feasible is to 'raise' the bridge so that high vehicles can function on main.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2009, 4:59 PM
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I suppose that's doable, but I really doubt it. The province would almost certainly just tear out the Subway and put in a newer=style bridge in its place. I really like the idea of bringing back painting the concrete different colours. It'd give that end of downtown a bit more vibrancy.

Honestly though, I don't mind that big trucks can't use that stretch of Main. It's busy enough as it is, without transport trucks trying to take shortcuts from Moncton into Dieppe.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2009, 5:20 PM
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I agree...but it's an option.
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Old Posted Feb 24, 2009, 9:14 PM
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I could be wrong on this, but Main St. between Botsford and Lutz St. is not really good for truck traffic because of the lamp posts and other stuff being so close to the curb side. I don't know if i was told this or just an observation.
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I agree with Myles. The cost to CNR of rerouting the main line north of town would be huge, and I think it would be very difficult to obtain the right of way to do this. It won't happen.
There actually was at one point a proposal (although I'm not sure how serious) to reroute the tracks around the north end of town, with a new VIA station somewhere up around where the TCH meets Mapleton Road. I did a work placement at the planning commission in the late 90's and I remember seeing the plans, although it was long since dead by this point. Thank goodness, too. Having a passenger rail line downtown is a must.

Someone should ask around at GMPDC for old proposals they have kicking around in their little library. I remember some pretty interesting downtown renewal ones (complete with drawings). Some of them included covering Robinson Park and Oak Park with glass canopies, while others had ambitious plans for the parking lot at Highfield Square.
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ABU plans $24M expansion

New facilities, programs could boost university enrolment by half
A1, Published Wednesday February 25th, 2009
By Jesse Robichaud
Times & Transcript Staff

Atlantic Baptist University's growth in recent years has been no secret, but plans to expand to accommodate more students and programs have been kept quiet until now.

This is a very early artist’s concept of what the campus could look like. The lower left shows a new teaching facility, upper left shows a new set of apartments and a new athletic facility at the extreme top left.

The university's directors met this weekend to agree upon a $22-million to $24-million plan to add a student residence, an arena, and a new administration and education building that will address the campus' current capacity constraints.

The university's vice-president for advancement, Ron Gaudet, said work could begin as soon as this summer.

"This is all about growing to meet a demand as opposed to a field of dreams," said Gaudet, noting that the university represents an anomaly in the Maritimes where most universities are facing shrinking enrolment numbers.

"In this region, there is actually a deficit in terms of post-secondary education offerings, and we have been against the wall for the past four years with 800 students."

The major expansion will include renovations to the existing education and administration building, and a pedway that will connect both buildings.

Gaudet said the expansion will allow the university to build a student body of between 1,000 and 1,200 students over the next five years. The five-year plan will add new programs, including degrees at the masters level, along with the necessary faculty and staff.

He said the first priority is building the new education and administration building, and the university would like to see construction begin this summer in order to open the new building by 2010.

"The first priority is to get the education building open because that allows us to make our student body more comfortable and allow us more space to take on more programs."

The campus was built 12 years ago with an intended capacity of about 450 students. The student population quickly grew from 200 students, and grew to about 800 students.

The campus currently houses about 130 students at its residence, and Gaudet said ABU would like to add another 50-room residence.

Gaudet said a private hockey school is already interested in leasing the arena during periods of the year, and he said the university is open to developing partnerships with recreation departments in Moncton, Riverview, and Dieppe.

"This is an area of Moncton that has no arena at this point, which is the fastest growing area of Moncton, so we would entertain taking with the city about how we could serve the need in Moncton North," said Gaudet.

The main intent of the new arena is to add "breadth and depth" to the small university's athletic programs, said Gaudet.

But while Gaudet noted it may be early to speak about sparking a rivalry with the Université de Moncton Aigles Bleus, he did admit that the possibility of a school hockey team would be intriguing.

And in academic terms, Gaudet insisted that Atlantic Baptist University sees itself as a complementary institution to l'Université de Moncton, rather than a competitor.

"What research in the region has indicated is that fewer anglophone adults are getting post-secondary education in this region than in other urban regions of Atlantic Canada," said Gaudet.

"We see it as a complementary role to that of UdeM, so the region will have a well-rounded offering."

Ed Barrett of Woodstock-based Barrett Corporation will chair a capital campaign, that will seek $7 million in donations from the private sector and donors.

Gaudet said the university's loyal alumni, and its relationships with local churches and the Convention of Atlantic Baptist Churches will provide a strong base of support.

But although Atlantic Baptist University is a privately-funded institution that doesn't receive operational funding from the provincial or federal governments, negotiations regarding capital funding for the expansion have begun with both levels of government.

Gaudet said Atlantic Baptist University is looking for three-way funding arrangements for elements of the expansion that fit into government programs and spending priorities.

"We are very encouraged by the level of interest we have received," said Gaudet.

Gaudet said Atlantic Baptist University is encouraged by the so-called economic stimulus packages that have been announced by Ottawa and Fredericton, but he said funding requests were made long before the current worldwide economic crisis emerged.

"It is apparent the stimulus package is timely from our perspective," said Gaudet.

"We formally made requests long before the economy took a nose dive."

Gaudet said the university isn't daunted by the current economic situation, but it is taking it into account as it approaches private sector companies and individual donors.

"What our donors are saying is recognize this is a difficult time," said Gaudet.

"It just means the way we work with the private sector donors is we're going to have to give them the flexibility to provide support over a longer time period."
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I think the subway block is for sale. Would be nice to see someone invest into that building. Bring it back to it's origal glory.


Yeah that building has a lot of history, My Boss had an office in there for a while.

Biggest Problem with that Building is its proximity to the Tracks, back in the day when ever a train passed by it would shake, sometimes quite violently. its amazing there isn't any structural damage to the building from all the years of trains and vibrations. being sustained.

Would be nice to see the builing reno'd but its just a wonder of how much it will cost, and how it would affect the buildings next too/attached to it.
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That's great for ABU...I've always said that Moncton was seriously lacking in 'English' post-secondary education. U of M really dropped the ball by not being a bilingual university...they could double their enrollment and their input into the local economy by offering both. I guess ABU is going to pick up that ball and run with it.
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It's good to see ABU getting a 'campus' sort of feel to it. I hope they don't make the mistake that UdeM made by building things so far apart.

I don't really think UdeM 'dropped the ball' per se. It was always my understanding that it was intended to be the province's primary French university while UNB would be the main English school. From what I've heard though you can take a good number of English courses at UdeM. And lest we forget Mount Allison which is only a half hour drive from town.
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Coming Soon

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Thanks for the update @Champlain! I was at the mall yesterday and there looked to be some activity around the old Don Cherry's location. Is there anything in the works for there?
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Thanks for the update @Champlain! I was at the mall yesterday and there looked to be some activity around the old Don Cherry's location. Is there anything in the works for there?
Two of the things mentioned in the list is going there.
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Huh. Apparently The Creek closed.
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