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Old Posted Feb 13, 2009, 4:39 AM
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He was referring to something in Zeitguist. Very interesting actually when you see the whole thing.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2009, 4:52 AM
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He was referring to something in Zeitguist. Very interesting actually when you see the whole thing.
yeah I've seen zeitgeist. The zeitgeist work is actually primarily based off of the work compiled by a fellow named Jordan Maxwell. Very interesting indeed. ... Especially the work that Jordan Maxwell has compiled about architecture and symbolism, etc.

There is a newer zeitgeist video called "Addendum" where they mention an urban planning/ social structure idea called the "venus project". I'd be interested in hearing what my fellow urban planning geeks felt about such a plan. I.E. if an area of Utah was rehabbed to resemble such a city, would you live there?
     
     
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Yes!!! If it were in the North West quadrant of Salt Lake City

I also saw Addendum, and I love the idea of the Venus Project; it is very compelling.
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2009, 5:56 AM
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Sorry but the Venus Project is completely insane and will never happen. The fact that their utopian research park in Florida is for sale doesn't bode well for the project's future.

From the mission statement:
The Venus Project presents a bold, new direction for humanity that entails nothing less than the total redesign of our culture.

....Ummm, this sounds more like the beginnings of a cult than anything that the population of the earth is going to get behind.

Did any of you ever play SimCity 2000???

     
     
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Mayors reflect on guiding Utah's capital
Main Library » SLC's six leaders recall their worst moments in office.

By Derek P. Jensen
The Salt Lake Tribune



From right, Salt Lake City Mayor Ralph Becker, and former mayors Rocky Anderson, Deedee Corradini, Palmer DePaulis, Jake Garn and Ted Wilson gather Thursday for a panel discussion at the Main Library.
(Paul Fraughton | The Salt Lake Tribune)


The six personalities that have shepherded Salt Lake City since 1972 shared more than the same stage -- they shared how the gravity of the office can mold a mayor.

Capital captains Ralph Becker, Rocky Anderson, Deedee Corradini, Palmer DePaulis, Ted Wilson and Jake Garn shelved the ego Thursday to spin a warm blend of memories that were by turns earnest, humorous and, perhaps, revisionist.

And the rare grouping -- the mayors sat in chronological order from Garn to Becker -- pleased the packed Main Library auditorium that often echoed with applause.

But the most vivid moments came when KUED's dexterous Ken Verdoia asked the panel about their worst moments running City Hall.

Besides presiding over the 1983 flood, Wilson's list included the time a woman launched her family from a hotel roof after her husband had committed suicide; when a young family of immigrants were burned by an apartment fire; and the day two black kids were gunned down at a Liberty Park crosswalk. "That set off a week of fear in this city," said Wilson who trembled a second before saying "it's hell" to tell people they may not be safe in their own community.

Similarly, Corradini recalled the "absolutely terrifying" hostage situation at the old library as well as the freakish 1999 tornado that killed one person downtown. Curbing gangs, she added, was a priority throughout both terms.

Anderson pointed to the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping, Destiny Norton's murder and Trolley Square shooting spree that happened two years ago this week. The tragedies, he said, bring a mayor close to the victims' families.

And DePaulis remembered vetoing the entire city budget, including police raises, then getting picketed by his cops the same week as Salt Lake City hosted the U.S. Conference of Mayors.

"It was a bad day," he smiled.

But there also was levity, as the politicians dropped the spin to bring the public behind their curtain.

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Six mayors hold forum at the Main Public LIbrary

Garn laughed about the scratch marks on his desk after the head of the firefighters union jumped on it to hit him. Worse, "my wife never forgave me" for narrowing certain streets in order to widen the sidewalks. "She said, 'Brigham Young decided the width of those streets -- and you can't turn an ox cart around anymore,'" he deadpanned.

Wilson acted out a scene from the Salt Palace during a Soviet-Siberian exhibition when some Russians presented him an enormous bottle of vodka. "I stepped outside and here comes about five general authorities down the hall for the event," he said raising his fist with an imaginary booze bottle. "I tried to shove this thing in my pocket."

For his part, Anderson referenced brushes with the conservative Legislature, Davis County and the courts that dealt him a blow over the Main Street Plaza. "I did run full speed into the brick wall of reality a number of times," he smirked to applause. "Rocky" as he always will be known, also recalled bar-hopping with journalists to shatter stereotypes before the Olympics.

Corradini had the hip-slapper when she described -- maybe too honestly -- the disappointment of losing the 1998 Olympic bid, later revealed to be loaded with bribes. "Here we were playing by the rules," she remembered. "We didn't for 2002, but we did then."

Anderson and Corradini, arguably the most polarizing of the six, avoided any reference to protests of former President Bush or the so-called "gift-gate" scandal when Corradini raised contributions to pay off her debt. And true to his legacy, Garn invoked space travel, suggesting the city could mend its religious and racial divide if residents took a turn in orbit. "We're all children of God traveling on spaceship Earth together," he said.

All on the panel agreed the capital's downtown must remain a vibrant epicenter for all Utahns. Just 13 months in office, that task turns to Becker, who said a lively live, work and play atmosphere remains probable, despite the recession. "You go to cities where the sidewalks roll up at night and the streets roll up, and they're a drag," he said, adding that morphing from Blueprint Man to mayor is pretty comfortable, so far. "I'm still on my honeymoon and I'm going to keep living it as long as I can."



Mayor Quotes

* I was accused of being part of the communist conspiracy of being for metropolitan government.

Jake Garn on his fight against city incorporations across the valley.


* I feel like Slumdog Millionaire.

Ted Wilson suggesting the other five mayors are an upgrade from him.


* He called me Palmer DeProcess.

Palmer DePaulis recalling a nickname given by Ralph Becker for his penchant to call committees.


* I was just fighting for whatever green space we could get.

Deedee Corradini, describing her decision to sell a block of Main Street to the LDS Church


* I really think that turned a corner. That was until the next polygamist disaster.

Rocky Anderson on the impact of drinking with foreign journalists to dispel myths about SLC.


* Thanks to the incredible leadership of my predecessors, I had no challenges. I just walked through the door.

Ralph Becker joking, when asked about his biggest challenge as mayor.


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Old Posted Feb 13, 2009, 5:58 PM
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YAY! I LIVE IN A VERY HIGH DANGER ZONE!



The house we built 6 years ago is designed to shift on its foundation and we have a pumping system in the event of serious flooding, since we are right next to the river, and the old riverbed still runs right under the yard and house.
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I'm in an old brick house as well, about 100 feet from the fault. I have done some seismic upgrades to the house that I am pretty sure will keep my house from collapsing on me, but would still result in my house being beyond repair. My biggest fear is the double masonry walls falling inward into bedrooms. All beds in our house are against interior, load bearing walls that have been reinforced and anchored to the foundation. I think I spent about a grand doing it, spread out over a year. The most expensive part was having some one come out and drill anchors into the foundation. Still, that was only about $300. The rest (installing sill plates, anchoring those to the foundation, installing ties that connect floor joists, ceiling and rafters to supporting walls, cross bracing of attic, etc) I did my self.

If you are in a sandstone foundation with brick on top you are screwed.
Well, living in a "high risk" zone isn't necessarily the end of the world. If you have a house with good contstruction, then you can minimize your risk. I actually did a report on this back in school and found out that wood and metal frame buildings are the best because those materials tend to give a little without snapping. The worst types of buildings are those made with brick and masonry. However, one can still update buildings built with masonry and brick to better stand up to earthquakes by installing cross frames made out of earthquake resistant materials like this:



And new buildings can do the same kind of thing:



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Thanks but no thanks. I'd rather live in a walkable neighborhood near downtown for many many years rather than simply worry about when "The Big One" will hit and choose to live outside the danger zone.
One shouldn't base their living preferences on disaster risks like earthquakes because an earthquake severe enough to cause destruction will only happen once or twice in one's lifetime. If you perfer your neighborhood despite the fact of it being in an earthquake zone, then go for it! You will only have to worry about it once or twice (or maybe luck out and not have to worry at all). The thing that I stress is for people to make their houses more earthquake resistant no matter where they live (even in the Southwestern part of the valley). You can also do things like not placing pots or pans where they can fall, keep potted plants away from ledges, store heavy items on the bottom shelves and lighter items on the top of book shelves.

San Francisco is another great example of this. The city still has a plethora of old classic buildings that have survived major earthquakes. I think that we can spare many older east-side buildings by making them more earthquake resistant.

Just remember that the "big one" can happen at any time (even a hundred years from now). We shouldn't live our lives freaking out about it. Just prepare yourself with an earthquake resistant living space, food storage, and an escape plan, then live your life and don't worry about it. If you're prepared, you have nothing to worry about!
     
     
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A close comparison for earthquake zones with Salt Lake City is Mexico City with both cities being built on old lake beds. In Mexico City they built Torre Mayor which is 230m tall. It has huge cross beams that are on shocks to aborb earthquakes. They actually had a very large earthquake just after they finished construction and the building hardly moved. However the shocks could be heard stretching and compressing throughout the building as it absorbed the waves of the quake.

     
     
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That sort of looks like the tower on South Temple! Perhaps the owner could do something like this to update the building.
     
     
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new banquet facility in sugarhouse

What tower on south temple?


Here's some small development news. At least its news!

New high-end 250 seat banquet facility to be developed in old post office building in sugarhouse. see article.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5279/is_20090112/ai_n31306899?tag=content;col1
     
     
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Old Posted Feb 13, 2009, 8:16 PM
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artspace

Here's an update on the new Artspace development on about 800 south:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5279/is_20090112/ai_n31306910?tag=content;col1

This is good news, because despite the bad economy, Artspace has its funding in place and is ready to start. It's probably still being designed. Btw, the architects are the same ones who did the Broadway lofts, and the Dakota lofts on the ne corner of 200s & 400w next the the Gateway.
     
     
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Seems like another great project for SLC. I like the concept.
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new restaurant in downtown slc

'Comfort food' restaurant to open on Main Street in downtown SLC.

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Its great to see something actually opening on Main street for a change.

The Peruvian restaurant that was there has been closed for as long as I can remember:

     
     
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Garn invoked space travel, suggesting the city could mend its religious and racial divide if residents took a turn in orbit. "We're all children of God traveling on spaceship Earth together," he said.
How can you mend the religious divide when this is your rhetoric? This is like saying "We're all atheists at heart, deep down inside, but that makes us family, because we're all we've got. The whole spaceship Earth thing is creepy too!
     
     
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That sort of looks like the tower on South Temple! Perhaps the owner could do something like this to update the building.

Are you talking about the building at "136 East South Temple"?

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=136eastsouthtemple-saltlakecity-ut-usa
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wtcu update.

World Trade Center Utah building at 22-stories tall?
Found this today while online.

Global Exchange Place
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=globalexchangeplace-saltlakecity-ut-usa
Floors: 22-stories
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emporis.com has it at 22-stories. This is the first time I heard how many floors this building will have. I was hoping that it would be taller. Can anyone confirm this?
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Are you talking about the building at "136 East South Temple"?

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=136eastsouthtemple-saltlakecity-ut-usa
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World Trade Center Utah building at 22-stories tall?
Found this today while online.

Global Exchange Place
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=globalexchangeplace-saltlakecity-ut-usa
Floors: 22-stories
Status: proposed

emporis.com has it at 22-stories. This is the first time I heard how many floors this building will have. I was hoping that it would be taller. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm assuming it's speculation based on the photo from the original Downtown Rising plan.

If you count the windows, it comes out to roughly 22-stories.

So no, I do not believe any news has been released.
     
     
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A close comparison for earthquake zones with Salt Lake City is Mexico City with both cities being built on old lake beds. In Mexico City they built Torre Mayor which is 230m tall. It has huge cross beams that are on shocks to aborb earthquakes. They actually had a very large earthquake just after they finished construction and the building hardly moved. However the shocks could be heard stretching and compressing throughout the building as it absorbed the waves of the quake.

I think Urban Boy has a good idea here. The south temple building's tower portion is set back from its base. So, to add a new contemporary glass skin like this one above while building a new portion of the tower out closer to the street ,makes a lot sense. And, it would look cool!
     
     
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