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Old Posted Feb 1, 2009, 11:51 PM
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Could be that the developers didn't want hoards of paddlers warming up under their condos' windows each evening and weekend morning?
Because no one living in a dense urban city expects there to be any life outside Oh no! not Dragon Boaters! I moved near downtown to get away from the noise and activity of the suburbs... Who would think living on the waterfront there would be boat activities...

It really should have been part of the Olympic Village. Am I the only one here who wants to live in more urban things in the hopes of finding more life and activity, not the opposite?
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I agree with post #800, this years tax hike of 8.29% is unprecedented, and will further hurt the slumping housing industry as taxes are taken into account when evaluating a person’s total debt service eligibility to borrow, also, this new expense will be passed onto tenants by their respective Landlords.
So, chalk up a win for Business and a loss for the residents of Vancouver.

The politicians can keep saying “No New Taxes” due to OV over-runs all they want, but sooner or later they will have to fess up, especially if next years budget mirrors this years.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2009, 2:57 AM
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As far as I know the plan for the dragon boaters had always been to the NEFC side and not the SEFC side. Those plans were made years ago when they expected the nefc side to be developed before the south side. Things have obviously changed timeline wise but the plans are still in place. It's not like the city is trying to get rid of the dragon boat races.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2009, 6:01 AM
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Why was SEFC chosen for the Olympic Village and not the NEFC area? Was it a mater of land value or space?
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The NEFC has owners, SEFC was/is owned by the COV.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2009, 8:29 PM
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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - You can add another hefty cost to the Vancouver's Olympic Athletes' Village. Canada-US dollar exchange rates could add $60 million to the bottom line.

The $1.2 billion project has been financed in one of the riskiest ways possible, using international 'currency swaps'. Millennium--the developer of the Athletes Village--had taken out its $750-million line of credit in U.S. greenbacks, with the idea of swapping it back into Canadian dollars to pay contractors.

However, the loonie's value has dipped 20 per cent in the past two years, so what looked like a good deal at first isn't so much now.
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Old Posted Feb 2, 2009, 8:42 PM
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Now they are just fishing for stories
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^ and ravman always takes the bate!
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Here's a bit more information about the 'losses' due to currency fluctuations.

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Vancouver mayor says city negotiating a better Olympic Village deal

By Jeff Lee, Vancouver Sun February 2, 2009 2:44 PM

Vancouver Mayor Gregor Robertson said Monday the city is negotiating "a much better deal" for financing of the Vancouver Olympic Village than it had in the past.

Speaking to reporters after a publicity event in downtown Vancouver, Robertson said he does not believe taxpayers will be at risk of losing up to $60 million as a result of fluctuations in the U.S. dollar loans that were negotiated between Fortress Investment and project developer Millennium Developments.

Robertson said the original loan used hedging contracts to soften the blow if the U.S. dollar declined against the Canadian.

Vancouver Sun columnist Miro Cernetig, in a column Monday, suggested the exchange risk could cost the city $60 million as it renegotiates with Fortress to take over the $750 million loan to Millennium.

Robertson said negotiations are continuing, but he doesn't believe the city is at such risk.

"There have been hedges against currency fluctuation built in along the way. We'll see what works out in the negotiation with Fortress. I doubt if that is the net cost," he said.

"If you scored it purely on the drop in the dollar, but there have been hedges on the funding. We don't have a figure on that right now."

Hedging contracts are used by businesses to limit the downside risk on currency fluctuations. The contracts were used in this case because Fortress is a U.S.-based finance company.

Robertson said the city has also been in discussions with Canadian banking institutions in case the negotiations with Fortress prove fruitless. He expects a new deal to be concluded before Feb. 15, when the city has to make another cash infusion into the project.

Fortress halted advances on its loan last October and has since refused to restart the balance of $458 million in payments.

"We're negotiating the overall deal with Fortress and we expect it to come to a good conclusion that will save taxpayers money," Robertson said.

"We're looking at doing this as cheaply as possible and saving taxpayers as much as possible."

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VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) - You can add another hefty cost to the Vancouver's Olympic Athletes' Village. Canada-US dollar exchange rates could add $60 million to the bottom line.

The $1.2 billion project has been financed in one of the riskiest ways possible, using international 'currency swaps'. Millennium--the developer of the Athletes Village--had taken out its $750-million line of credit in U.S. greenbacks, with the idea of swapping it back into Canadian dollars to pay contractors.

However, the loonie's value has dipped 20 per cent in the past two years, so what looked like a good deal at first isn't so much now.
I have a big issue with the bolded parts. Thats not news, I mean how can it be news when it says "You can add another hefty cost", and then obviously proceeds to conveniently mask the "could" when they say 60 million. The word could should precede the word cost in such a article.
This is starting to be ridiculous.
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It was ridiculous from the start.
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Old Posted Feb 3, 2009, 2:21 AM
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This whole debate has been completely ridiculous. Always the COV "could" lose this, taxpayers are "on the hook" for that...

Anyway, has there been any work done in the past week or so? How many of the buildings still need cladding?



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Old Posted Feb 12, 2009, 1:46 PM
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2010 OLYMPICS: FINANCING CRISIS
Vancouver closes in on $800-million deal to save athletes village

GARY MASON
February 12, 2009

VANCOUVER -- The city of Vancouver is close to concluding new financing arrangements for the Olympic athletes village that could help save the project's developer millions in interest payments.

The Globe and Mail has learned how the deal is shaping up.

The city has reached an understanding with a consortium of Canadian banks to borrow upwards of $800-million at an interest rate of less than 3 per cent. This will allow the city to complete the project and pay off Fortress Investment Group, the New York-based hedge fund that had been financing the project until it stopped advancing money to the developer, Millennium Development Corp., last September, allegedly over concerns it had about cost overruns.

This is when the city had to step in and secretly authorize a $100-million loan to keep the project on track.

Fortress had advanced $317-million of its $750-million loan with Millennium before halting payments. At one point, Fortress was charging Millennium 11-per-cent interest on its money, although that rate had dropped to 9.5 per cent by the middle of last year.

According to sources, the city has reached an agreement in which it would pay Fortress a $4-million penalty to take over financing of the project. This is a far cry from the $25-million to $50-million speculated to be the fee the city would have to pay to break the terms of the loan and send Fortress packing.

The fact that Fortress would settle for so little is interesting, and certainly supports the premise it was anxious to get its $317-million loan back and say goodbye to Vancouver. Fortress has been in financial difficulty for months, with its share price plummeting and investors fleeing in all directions.

With new financing in place and Fortress out of the way, the city's attention next turns to Millennium Development. The city will have to decide what interest rate it will charge Millennium for the money it is lending to complete the project, as well as the amortization period. Millennium needs about $458-million.

The amount of the loan the city negotiated with the banking consortium does not cover the $100-million it advanced Millennium when Fortress stopped making payments. That is supposed to be paid back by the developer separately.

According to sources, there has been a lively discussion among Vision councillors about the direction in which the city should go. Some have apparently suggested the developer be levied the same interest rate that Fortress was more recently charging, while others believe the city should be more reasonable and charge Millennium a percentage point or two above the rate it is getting from the banks.

I think that is the city's best course for a number of reasons.

It can certainly be argued, and has, that it was the city's fault that Millennium had to turn to a New York hedge fund for financing in the first place. No Canadian banks wanted to lend the developer money because it didn't own title to the land - the city insisted on keeping it until the project was finished.

Hedge funds typically finance riskier ventures, charging higher interest rates than commercial banks. That is why Millennium was forced to pay up to 11 per cent on the money it was getting from Fortress, which is a ridiculous sum, especially now, with interest rates at historic lows.

Second, costs on the project were driven up, in part, because of the record-breaking environmental standards the city insisted the project be built to. Yes, the developer knew this going in, but a lot of the materials associated with meeting these standards skyrocketed in price.

Finally, if the city is fair and charges Millennium 4.5 or 5 per cent on its loan, it will allow the developer to hang on to the condominium units until the market rebounds. This way, Millennium might be able to get prices for the units that more closely resemble those that were imagined when the project was conceived and first costed out.

As it stands now, Millennium likely isn't going to be making any money on the village. But the more successful it is, the greater the likelihood the city isn't going to take the financial bath most have predicted.

Despite its problems, Millennium has done a remarkable job on the site, according to most reports. The village is a construction marvel and the quality of the work of exceptional standard. There are developers in the city who are surprised that Millennium hung in there during the past few months - many would have walked. And perhaps the city should take that into account when exacting its pound of flesh for the money it will lend the developer, and when considering how long it will give Millennium to pay the loan back. It is likely to be somewhere between three and five years.

Because of some deft negotiating on the city's part, this project isn't looking like the financial disaster it once was. Taxpayers could still be on the hook for millions, but maybe not the hundreds of millions once thought.

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Old Posted Feb 12, 2009, 3:22 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^
Best news I’ve heard all year.
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2009, 4:38 PM
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Great news.

The bonehead argument (bend them over a barrel and charge them huge interest) is the same greed that got the City into this mess. Charge a point or two above your rate and be happy.
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Great News!
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Old Posted Feb 12, 2009, 6:50 PM
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Go Gregor Go!
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Go Gregor Go!
Won't he be eating a lot of crow after his "Vancouver is on the hook for $1 billion" grandstanding?

Omelettes for all! Plenty of egg on Gregor's face to go around.
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why is the city paying fortress a 4mil penalty? fortress was the one who decided to stop financing the project; aren't they the one who's at fault?

and btw, i walked around the site for the first time. the scale of the project is impressive!!
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Thanks for the news...I knew they are doing well and making smart decisions.
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