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Old Posted Feb 11, 2009, 1:17 AM
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Peddy Place?
Bore Square?
Beaver Lumber Arena?
Railroad Center?
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Old Posted Feb 11, 2009, 1:59 AM
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The smaller downtown eateries do OK in the summertime, especially when all the downtown patios are open. It's the six long months of winter that do them in.

We need something to help make the downtown a destination during the colder months of the year.

What could the city do to bring thousands of people downtown on a regular basis during January & February?

What sort of venue could become a downtown destination.......

What could this be........
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Coliseum seating capacity reduced
Published Tuesday February 10th, 2009

Fire marshal cuts number of people allowed in Moncton's main public venue
By Brent Mazerolle
Times & Transcript Staff

Thanks to a new ruling from the provincial fire marshal, there are now less people allowed in the Moncton Coliseum than there are seats.

The Moncton Coliseum's new maximum allowable capacity for people occupying the Coliseum is 6,465, following a safety audit conducted by the provincial fire marshal's office in November. That's the total number of people allowed -- seated or standing, visitor or staff. That's also 333 less people than the number of seats in the facility.

The issue is not about space, however.

Rather, the City of Moncton's Ian Fowler says, the issue is the number and quality of the building's exits. The building, well into its fourth decade of service, won't meet a number of more demanding contemporary standards without some significant upgrades.

He said new building codes that have come into effect following the audit see capacity determined by the number of exits, things like their widths and even the building materials in the area around them.

For instance, Fowler said, the building's Famous Players Lounge exit, accessible via the stairs from the mezzanine at the southern end of the building, can't be counted as a suitable evacuation route because flame retardant "two-hour fire wall" was not used in the walls and ceiling surrounding it.

Unless the city brings the building up to code, or the fire marshal's ruling is amended, it appears a once-in-a-lifetime event like the Elton John concert last September will indeed be just that. Sir Elton packed 8,700 people into the Coliseum, 2,235 more music fans than would be allowed in the building if the concert was held today.

Under the new capacity rules, the 1,500 people that could be seated on the floor for events like Sir Elton or Bill Clinton's speech in November has also been cut by more than half to 720. While the ruling makes it ever more difficult to sell the Coliseum, and the city, as a venue, the general manager of the city's department of Recreation, Parks, Tourism and Culture, said the city would abide by any rulings made in the interest of public safety.Bill Schurman, the general manager of the Moncton Wildcats who are the building's principal tenant, admitted he was caught off guard by the change in capacity.

"It's news to us. We weren't aware the Coliseum was being re-assessed," Schurman said.

While he agreed with Fowler that safety was paramount, Schurman hoped there was room to give the matter a second look. "I would hope we're appealing it."

Schurman said that while the hockey team may not fill the building every night, the goal of the organization is to do so whenever possible.

"This business is based on having the opportunity to sell as many tickets as possible," he said.

Yet another reason why we need a new downtown arena complex. The coliseum is obsolete.
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Wow, a lot of interesting points in the last couple of pages….

Champlain / CP connection: If the new arena is built on the site of Highfield Sq, the Bay would have to move somewhere, right? A reliable source tells me it is one of the better performing locations in Atlantic Canada. I wonder how reluctant the Bay would be to sell their location and move to a new one in this economy?

Business on Main street and parking: The current feasibility study for the new arena should cover this. Parking is going to be an issue at any downtown location for this arena. But what a wonderful opportunity to address parking in the downtown core- build a parking garage! Not one that holds only 300 vehicles, but build one that adequately accommodates a 12,000 seat arena. If you are going to do it, do it ALL right.

Names for the Arena: Insert Corporation name here. Too bad Metro Center is already taken. I remember a time when arenas were named after civic leaders, and had a unique character to them, which ties in well with the post I was already working on…
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When a project begins a site analysis is done, information is dug up on what used to be on the site and what it is today in context of its neighborhood. Architecture firms will use information from the same study that the city has currently in progress.

It seems like everyone is familiar with the history of the Highfield Square site- the old train station and the history and impact of the railroad in Moncton over the years. In the early 1900’s rail was the only way to travel, massive amounts of people fit inside these massive train stations. They were a meeting place and they were the arenas of today in terms of large groups of people interacting with each other. It would be nice if an arena paying homage to historic train stations, or the former train station was built on this site.

The railroad theme could be also be brought inside, the box office and concession stands could be in the form of vintage train station ticket counters. It would be nice to see something completely different done. Unfortunately, it is much more appealing to the penny pinchers (the decision makers) to build a cookie cutter arena with little character.

The American Airlines Arena in Dallas has a façade similar to an old train station. The JLC* in London ON., reused the bricks of the old Inn that had occupied its site. Instead of losing a historic building, they took the opportunity to rebuild it. Purple Knights take note, but that’s another discussion.
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The only problem with naming it after the former train station is that Saint John already has Harbour Station, named in honour of Union Station that used to be at the site. It'd be kind of like naming it Metro Centre.

How about:

Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe Non-Corporate-Affiliated Hockey And Multipurpose Tradeshow Arena Complex

or Robert Monckton Centre (just to confuse out-of-towners).

or "The Hub"
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Coliseum fix begins
Published Wednesday February 11th, 2009

City will spend an estimated $750,000 to bring Moncton Coliseum up to code, restore seating capacity

By Brent Mazerolle
Times & Transcript Staff

Reductions to the maximum allowable capacity of the Moncton Coliseum should not affect the 2009 Ford World Men's Curling Championship, even if planned city upgrades worth an estimated $750,000 are not completed by then.

This stairwell at the south end of the Moncton Coliseum is one of the exits that needs upgrading to meet newer, more stringent fire codes governing the capacity of the building.

Lynn MacKenzie, the event manager for the curling championship, said yesterday that building a media area at one end of the bowl and accommodating television camera platforms throughout the arena has already reduced about 300 seats from the building's total.

"We're looking at (a maximum capacity of) 6,000 per event," MacKenzie said, adding she was confident all the other people who might be in the building at any given time -- competitors, staff, volunteers and media -- should come in under the almost 500 extra souls the arena can legally hold above the 6,000 spectators.

As well, the event's spillover into the adjacent Agrena space will also help, as the new 6,465 maximum capacity is the number for the Coliseum proper, not the total capacity of the entire complex. The Labatt Patch, where curling fans can watch the action from next door on big screens in a beer garden atmosphere, will occupy the Agrena during the championships. The curling championship runs April 3-12.

By then, however, the Moncton Coliseum may be back in the business of holding about 7,000 for hockey games and curling and almost 7,500 for concerts and other events where seating can be placed on the ice surface floor.

That was the word from the City of Moncton's director of municipal facilities yesterday. Bruce Tait said the goal was to have two exits upgraded in time for the 2009 Ford World Men's Curling Championship, and to have at least most of an upgraded fire alarm system operational by then.

The work on the alarm and emergency lighting system throughout both the Coliseum and Agrena, part of the requirements of a safety audit of the Coliseum done by the provincial fire marshal's office, were already under way. Tait said the work has been done in segments because the building can't be left totally without such systems while the work is under way.

Currently, the alarms in the various parts of the complex are not interconnected, meaning an alarm sounding in part of the Agrena, for instance, wouldn't set off the alarm in the Coliseum. As well, inadequacies have been identified with the emergency lighting, and Tait said both require more sophisticated and expensive systems because the complex does not have an emergency generator.

The other key issues are the need to build enclosed cinder block corridors that would, in the event of an emergency, take patrons from the stairwells at each end of the Coliseum's mezzanine to doorways that exit outside. Currently, those stairs lead to a large open space beneath the mezzanine, a situation that no longer meets codes. Should there be a fire, fleeing patrons should not evacuate one large open space into another, where fire and smoke could be quickly spreading.

As well, the main emergency exit from the floor of the Coliseum, through the large opening by the penalty boxes on the east side of the bowl, will need some rethinking. Currently, that leads to an open space where vehicles and other equipment are stored during events.

"An exit doesn't just mean a door. It's how you get to the door that matters too," Tait said.

Jim Banks, the Moncton Fire Department's division chief for fire prevention, said yesterday the work done by the city will have to meet the specifications of a fire protection engineer. Once a professional engineer gives the proposed work the thumbs up, Banks said his office will raise the building's capacity again. Tait said the city has already hired such an expert.

Those questioning how Moncton Fire Department officials, who are City of Moncton employees, can do their jobs without bias or fear of recrimination, should know it was Banks' office that first raised the red flag with concerns.

"We get our authority under the (provincial) Fire Prevention Act," he said. "We called in the (provincial) fire marshal and said let's work together with the city to get safety improved."

He said their duty under the provincial act is why the public often sees fire prevention officers at Coliseum events.

"We're not just there watching the game or the concert," he said, explaining they check exits, watch for trouble with crowd flow and look for potential hazards throughout the complex, including places outside the public's view. He added problems are much easier to spot when there are actual crowds and events in the building, apart from the fact fire prevention officers must be on hand to enforce regulations.

One aspect of yesterday's report in the Times & Transcript requires clarification. The total number of seats in the Coliseum is 6,598, meaning the new total number of people allowed in the building is 133 less than the number of seats. However, at a typical sold out hockey game, where some fans prefer standing room tickets and a maximum of 200 standees are allowed, there will have to be 333 empty seats to offset those 200 fans.

*** I wonder how these changes are going to affect floor space for trade shows. If they have to add halls made from cinder blocks from the stairs to the exits they are going to be using up a lot of valuable floor space.
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How about:

Moncton-Riverview-Dieppe Non-Corporate-Affiliated Hockey And Multipurpose Tradeshow Arena Complex

or Robert Monckton Centre (just to confuse out-of-towners).

or "The Hub"
The Acadians wouldn't like "Robert Monckton Centre". I kind of like the idea of calling it "The Hub" however, that could catch on! It conveys the impression of a place which is at the centre of activity. The arena could still be dressed up in a railway motif and the name would still be appropriate given the fact that Highfield Place lies on the former site of the ICR headquarters and railway station.

Good idea gehrhardt!!

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Metro Moncton SuperDome!

I like The Hub too.
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"The Hub" is a great name! It is so...Moncton. Good call!
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Oops, yeah I forgot about what the Acadians might think about naming it after Robert Monckton.
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am an acadian and i wouldn't mind whatsoever that they would call it Robert Monckton center, Dieppe is starting to be bit annoying with there all french point of view(i live in Moncton, and wouldn't even think of moving to Dieppe). And am french so i don't mind saying it.
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The American Airlines Arena in Dallas has a façade similar to an old train station. The JLC* in London ON., reused the bricks of the old Inn that had occupied its site.
Good news is that the city took the same company that proposed the JLC in London. I personally think that the John Labatt Center is one of the most beautiful arenas in North America, including the "The Ralph" in North Dakota, another nice arena with brown brick facade.
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I don't think calling it the "Robert Monckton Centre" will fly. Since the the new arena will most likely need corporate backing down the road, the arena will probably end up having a name change some time during the course of its existence.

Honor the name Robert Monckton on another project.

Naming it with the words Acadien or Acadian won't fly either. I have nothing against Acadians, Acadiens or anything associated with this name, but it doesn't sound good. The word Acadien draws a lot of controversy among English and French so let's leave it out.

The Hub would make a great nickname and that's about it.

If a corporate name is not introduced, I like the following name.

- Hub City Complex (we can nickname it "The Hub")
- Codiac Centre
- The Moncton Metrodome (we can nickname it "The Dome")

That's all I have for now.
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The JLC is similar in size and scope of what Moncton should try to do. Not just the aesthetics of the arena, but the business plan. It's a partnership between Global Spectrum (Philly Flyers) and the city. London gets tons of concerts, because of this partnership. I am sure Moncton can learn from and even improve on this arena. The wiki page has some good info. Another arena management company worth a cup of coffee with is AEG.
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I like "Hub" alot. A rink is the center of the round structure with the staircases between the seats like spokes.

The outside could also tie into the hub theme by incorporating the Via Rail station, the Acadian Bus Depot, and a new Codiac city bus Transfer Station.

As the direct French translation of "Hub" is "Centre" calling it the "Centre Moncton Hub" is a truly bilingual solution. The word "Moncton" could be replaced by any corporate sponsor name.
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If the new arena is built on the site of Highfield Sq, the Bay would have to move somewhere, right? A reliable source tells me it is one of the better performing locations in Atlantic Canada. I wonder how reluctant the Bay would be to sell their location and move to a new one in this economy?
I would need to see the books on this one. I'm surprised they haven't closed their doors yet. I drive by The Bay almost everyday and never see anyone walk in or walk out. Parking lot is always more empty than full. And on the very few times I have ever walked in myself, the place always had more staff than customers.

The building itself is almost eyesore with hardly no windows or any upgrades done in the past 30 years and if it wasn't for the pedway, the place would have no motivation for anyone to walk in except for the yellow words "The Bay".

The city could easily expropriate the land. I'm sure the Bay could find a new home in the Trinity area easily enough.
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I've wondered the same thing, Budyser. Perhaps what they lack in volume, they make up in sky-high prices. I wouldnt' know because I don't think I've ever bought anything there. That said, HBC is a Canadian institution (even though it's owned by the Americans) and I think it'd be a real shame if it closed. Though it'd be just as big a shame if they moved to the edge of town.

HBC Place has a neat ring to it. Seeing as how it's neighbor has a similar name, Dominion Park/Place/Plaza would be cool too.

As for Robert Monckton, even though I doubt it would cause too much of a stir, I wouldn't be terribly thrilled if we blew an opportunity like this to name an attraction after a guy like that. I think his only accomplishment was that managed to uproot much of a people against their will and dump them all down the Eastern Seaboard where they wouldn't be a nuisance.
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http://www.downtownmoncton.nb.ca/strategicplan.php check that out i'm sure we have all found this but, I noticed there plans for st. george street on there if you go down the page its pretty interesting, it mentions the old abandoned gas station on the corner of high and st. George (northwest corner) and how they plan a 4 storey apartment or condo.
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I would need to see the books on this one. I'm surprised they haven't closed their doors yet. I drive by The Bay almost everyday and never see anyone walk in or walk out. Parking lot is always more empty than full. And on the very few times I have ever walked in myself, the place always had more staff than customers.
That sounds like the Bay out here! lol! I'm not sure what the future holds for that chain, nationally. Apparently, 1) Sydney 2) Moncton 3) Dartmouth 4) Halifax. Hard to believe isn't it?
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