HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan


Closed Thread

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #5221  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 6:13 AM
WhereverIRoam's Avatar
WhereverIRoam WhereverIRoam is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Measuring Stick View Post
The City's plans are to expand the east and west equally; however, like anything demand drives chage and this case speed of development. The new reisdential neighbourhoods on the west will not be developed until such a time that Hampton village is 75% sold and developed. If the market were to show increased demand for westside property then the City would expand west at a more rapid pace. Unfortuanately the City can't force people to buy and build in the west, they can only plan for it.


As for the imfamy of the westside, things like the following article keep the stereotyping going:


Frightening Drive For Saskatoon Motorist
Robbed at knife point

Story ToolsReported By Gerald Bauman; Newtalk650.com
Posted February 5, 2009 - 10:44am

It's 6:30 in the morning. You're stopped at a red light, listening to your favourite radio personality on News Talk Radio. You have the go-cup filled with coffee. Just another day right? How about the driver at 22nd Street West and Avenue W in Saskatoon Thursday morning. A man walks up to his window waving a knife and demanding cash. The suspect gets the driver's wallet and runs away. Police are now trying to track him down.
Couldn't the guy just drive away. What's the robber gonna do? Stab the car?

Anyway, I'm still new to this town, and tonight I decided to drive around and see where the wind takes me. I started from the Persephone and drove down Spadina. I had NO idea that you could go on the train bridge (there was quite the crowd there even at 10 PM), that there's a pedestrian bridge under the circle drive bridge, and that you could even go much farther north than that bridge. Sometimes, I find that people often don't know what there is to find in their own backyards. I'm bringing my camera next time.
     
     
  #5222  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 3:04 PM
ninipanini's Avatar
ninipanini ninipanini is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 228
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereverIRoam View Post
Anyway, I'm still new to this town...
Welcome to S'toon!
     
     
  #5223  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 3:50 PM
drm310's Avatar
drm310 drm310 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 650
Perhaps he was foolish enough to drive with his doors unlocked, and the assailant opened his door. I always lock my doors whenever I drive anywhere.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereverIRoam View Post
Couldn't the guy just drive away. What's the robber gonna do? Stab the car?
     
     
  #5224  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 4:52 PM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereverIRoam View Post
Couldn't the guy just drive away. What's the robber gonna do? Stab the car?

Anyway, I'm still new to this town, and tonight I decided to drive around and see where the wind takes me. I started from the Persephone and drove down Spadina. I had NO idea that you could go on the train bridge (there was quite the crowd there even at 10 PM), that there's a pedestrian bridge under the circle drive bridge, and that you could even go much farther north than that bridge. Sometimes, I find that people often don't know what there is to find in their own backyards. I'm bringing my camera next time.
Welcome to Toontown (I like your adventurous spirit)

Where do you hail from?
     
     
  #5225  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 4:57 PM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
Jacobs' urban village worthy model
By Richard White, For The StarPhoenixFebruary 6, 2009

Final of a four-part series on Saskatoon's development. White, director of strategic initiatives with Riddell Kurczaba Architecture of Calgary, has written on art, architecture and urban culture for more than 20 years. He can be reached at [email protected].

I am always a bit suspicious of what planners recommend.

While I respect the work urban planners do in trying to make our cities better places to live, work and play, I have always been a little skeptical after reading many years ago, the late Jane Jacobs' 1961 book, The Death and Life of Great American Cities.

One section of the book is a criticism of city planning. Jacobs states: "American downtowns are not declining mysteriously because they are anachronisms, not because automobiles have drained their users away. They are being witlessly murdered, in a good part by deliberate policies of sorting out leisure uses, from work uses, under the misapprehension that this is orderly city planning."

Later, she calls it as she sees it: "Urban planning is dominated by group think ... Principles of planning have been developed historically and have acquired so much support of habit and vested interest that planners, architects and developers accept them without question."

Recommendations need caution

In the '60s, urban planners across North America were advocating the creation of pedestrian malls as the way to add vitality to the declining downtowns in most cities. By the '90s, most of these malls had failed and were being removed.

In the '70s, planners lobbied for the creation of mega urban renewal projects like Calgary's Convention Centre, Glenbow Museum, Bow Valley College or Board of Education Building, most of which have failed to provide the promised urban vitality. The '70s also saw developers creating large indoor downtown shopping malls as a means to compete with suburban indoor malls. Again, most of these have struggled -- except in major cities with large downtown residential populations, such as in Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver.

Urban planners are now touting the importance of street-front retail, with multiple entrances on all downtown streets. As a result, the major downtown indoor shopping malls and old office buildings are redeveloping their street level space to provide more street entrances for retailers, cafes and restaurants -- just what Jacobs told them to do in 1961.

Similarly, it was urban planners in winter cities who thought that creating sky bridges from building to building would be a good idea to protect pedestrians from the harsh winter elements. Now it is planners who are saying these bridges have sucked the life off the street.

One of the things I have learned over the years is the "unintended consequences of urban policy changes has been to shaping our city centres." Policy is often changed or created with the best of intentions, but what ends up happening are unintended long-term negative consequences.

Beware of highrises

Planners are currently touting the need for highrise condo development next to LRT stations. The City of Calgary recently invited a few out-of-town urban planners to comment on Transit Oriented Development (TOD) plans for Brentwood. Surprise, surprise -- they were in favour of the city's plans for highrise development.

I question how planners from other cities can make informed recommendations about a city without an intimate knowledge of its unique urban characteristics. Calgary is not Portland, Ore., and it is not Vancouver.

I am again reminded of Jacobs, who cautioned that "planners must understand thoroughly the sense of place that they are dealing with ... they must know it not in some generalized way, but in terms of its precise and unique place within the city they are dealing with. Much of what they need to know they can learn from no one but the people of the place, because nobody knows more about it than they do."

What works in other cities won't necessarily work in Saskatoon. Highrise condos may be a good idea in some cities, but in a winter city, they are brutal.

After working in downtown Calgary for 12 years and walking the streets from meeting to meeting, if I learned nothing else, I learned about the harsh pedestrian environment created by highrise buildings. One of the most common community comments that I have heard from people living near LRT stations in Calgary is that they don't want to live in a downtown-like environment.

So let's give them a different model. I think it is critical that we listen to the people who live in a community and work with them, as I truly believe if we can get the community's buy-in, we will get a better product.

That being said, I am not in favour of getting everyone's buy-in. There will always be a few BANANAs (Build Almost Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).

Jane Jacobs' urban village

I think if residents were presented with a Jacobs-based model for an urban village, it would get their buy-in.

A Jacobs' community would have streets lined with shops, cafes and restaurants, not big boxes. The focus would be on creating public spaces -- sidewalks, plazas and parks -- that are bordered with shops, restaurants and other pedestrian-oriented activities.

The success of an open space (plaza or park) is the diversity and density of things to do at its edges. There would be a mixture of different density and design housing from four-storey walk-ups to mid-rise, 10-storey condos built out over a 20- or 25-year period. Jacobs believed in gradual, not cataclysmic, change.

Throughout her book, Jacobs indicated that the larger the building, the less vitality it will create -- be it a large office tower, large condo or large arts or retail centre. A Jacobs village would not have any highrises. Her urban village plan would not be called "transit-oriented development," it would be a balanced plan that integrates land use policy for pedestrians, transit and vehicles rather than favouring one over the other.

I truly believe all of the policies and plans created by urban planners are done with the best of intentions in mind and based on the best practice information available at the time.

In my mind, urban planning is more of an art than a science. From Jacobs' perspective it is more like the life sciences than the physical sciences. For her, good urban planning is not about probability theory, surveys and statistical methodology. It is more about collection, description, classification and observation of what works and what doesn't.

Cities must be viewed from the microscopic or the street level view of the naked eye, not from looking from above (most master plans show images from an aerial perspective).

She cautions that planners love to "create new visions and plans of what "ideally" a place should be, rather than wander the labyrinths trying futilely to put together the pieces of last year's vision."

Jacobs indicated in 1961 that community vitality is not the result of a master plan -- instead, it is piecemeal and cumulative. She observed that it is unrealistic to expect positive change from revolutionary improvement plans. Perhaps Jacobs said it best when she wrote: "A common folly of planners and politicians is that they wish into being too many human behavioral changes."

Share your vision

We will follow-up this series with a package of ideas and comments from you, our readers, so we are asking you to share your thoughts on this important issue.

How do you feel about the way Saskatoon has developed so far? What do you like best? What do you dislike? What is missing? What could help turn Saskatoon into an "urban playground?" How do you feel about the city's art placement program? Is there a key developmental issue the city should be focusing upon? What is your vision for Saskatoon?

Pease limit your responses to 200 words and email them to:

[email protected];

or mail them to:

Saskatoon Development,

c/o The StarPhoenix

204 Fifth Ave. North

Saskatoon, SK

S7K 2P1
© Copyright (c) The StarPhoenix

Source
     
     
  #5226  
Old Posted Feb 6, 2009, 5:43 PM
WhereverIRoam's Avatar
WhereverIRoam WhereverIRoam is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by SASKFTW View Post
Welcome to Toontown (I like your adventurous spirit)

Where do you hail from?
All over the place. I spent many years in Quebec City growing up, then moved on to Regina for a few years, and lived in North Battleford for a while too. The most I knew about Saskatoon was how to get to the Galaxy when I first moved here.
     
     
  #5227  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2009, 5:58 AM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by drm310 View Post
Amid cooling market, 150 lots returned to City of Saskatoon
Last Updated: Thursday, February 5, 2009 | 12:32 PM CT
CBC News


[...]

Source
hehehe...now we wait for the second coming of infill (optimism)
     
     
  #5228  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2009, 6:07 AM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhereverIRoam View Post
All over the place. I spent many years in Quebec City growing up, then moved on to Regina for a few years, and lived in North Battleford for a while too. The most I knew about Saskatoon was how to get to the Galaxy when I first moved here.
Nice.

lol, I find it interesting that you only knew how to get to the Galaxy. I mean, your statement makes it sound like Saskatoon's Galaxy is a main attraction (in a sad kind of way, it is).

I hope you enjoy your time in Saskatoon

Last edited by Ruckus; Feb 7, 2009 at 7:03 AM.
     
     
  #5229  
Old Posted Feb 7, 2009, 10:09 PM
WhereverIRoam's Avatar
WhereverIRoam WhereverIRoam is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 43
Quote:
Originally Posted by SASKFTW View Post
Nice.

lol, I find it interesting that you only knew how to get to the Galaxy. I mean, your statement makes it sound like Saskatoon's Galaxy is a main attraction (in a sad kind of way, it is).

I hope you enjoy your time in Saskatoon
Ok, maybe that was an exaggeration. I knew how to get to the university too lol. But I used to mostly just go to the movies when I would drive down from North Battleford and get a bit to eat at the Midtown. Never took the time to check out the sights. I hear that there's lots of fun stuff to do in the summer so i'm pretty sure I'll enjoy my time here.
     
     
  #5230  
Old Posted Feb 8, 2009, 4:59 PM
Echoes's Avatar
Echoes Echoes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Saskatoon, SK
Posts: 4,522
Elim Tabernacle (8th and Moss) is apparently for sale. There's a large Colliers sign on the property billing it as a potential development site. I would imagine that if it is sold and re-developed it would be something retail in nature, being as it's so close to the Centre mall.

Maybe a lovely strip mall?
__________________
SASKATOON PHOTO TOURS
2013: [Part I] [Part II] | [2014] | [2016] | [2022-25]
     
     
  #5231  
Old Posted Feb 8, 2009, 7:27 PM
Sask Sask is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 10
That would be a perfect place for a Hotel with an indoor water park. Similar to what they have in West Edmonton Mall. I think it is called Fantacy Land Hotel.
     
     
  #5232  
Old Posted Feb 8, 2009, 7:42 PM
lbird lbird is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 155
Quote:
Originally Posted by SASKFTW View Post
Jacobs' urban village worthy model
By Richard White, For The StarPhoenixFebruary 6, 2009

[...]

Beware of highrises

Planners are currently touting the need for highrise condo development next to LRT stations. The City of Calgary recently invited a few out-of-town urban planners to comment on Transit Oriented Development (TOD) plans for Brentwood. Surprise, surprise -- they were in favour of the city's plans for highrise development.

I question how planners from other cities can make informed recommendations about a city without an intimate knowledge of its unique urban characteristics. Calgary is not Portland, Ore., and it is not Vancouver.

I am again reminded of Jacobs, who cautioned that "planners must understand thoroughly the sense of place that they are dealing with ... they must know it not in some generalized way, but in terms of its precise and unique place within the city they are dealing with. Much of what they need to know they can learn from no one but the people of the place, because nobody knows more about it than they do."

What works in other cities won't necessarily work in Saskatoon. Highrise condos may be a good idea in some cities, but in a winter city, they are brutal.

After working in downtown Calgary for 12 years and walking the streets from meeting to meeting, if I learned nothing else, I learned about the harsh pedestrian environment created by highrise buildings. One of the most common community comments that I have heard from people living near LRT stations in Calgary is that they don't want to live in a downtown-like environment.

So let's give them a different model. I think it is critical that we listen to the people who live in a community and work with them, as I truly believe if we can get the community's buy-in, we will get a better product.

That being said, I am not in favour of getting everyone's buy-in. There will always be a few BANANAs (Build Almost Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).

I think more than a few people on this board need to take this preceding section into account. Forcing external planning trends on a population that does not want them and that do not make sense for a certain climate and geography is just a recipe for failure. Reading some of the threads on this board about adding tens of thousands of residents in downtown highrises when we are having a hard time selling the few condos that are there right now just illustrates this fact. Don't even get me started on those posts about large-scale solar deployment within the city, a waste which would make the ethanol farce look good by comparison.
     
     
  #5233  
Old Posted Feb 8, 2009, 8:20 PM
socialisthorde socialisthorde is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 590
Quote:
Originally Posted by lbird View Post
... Don't even get me started on those posts about large-scale solar deployment within the city, a waste which would make the ethanol farce look good by comparison.
O.k, I'll get you started I'd be interested to hear what you have to say on this issue. I don't recall reading any previous posts about large scale solar deployment.

WRT to "forcing planning decisions on people who don't want them", let's not delude ourselves that current development is not heavily planned and interventionist. The suburban planning model which has predominated for the last 50 years or so, strongly dictates what people can do with their property, and in doing so has convinced many people that rigid separation between residential, comercial and industrial with "power centres" for shopping and massive parks and comunity centres for recreation is the only way to go. Just try to open a little shop out of a house in Errindale even if it offers a much needed product or service and even if your neihgbors agree. People aren't used to having multi-unit housing on their block and they are not used to haviing small stores in their neighborhood, so they do not even stop to think about the advantages of this. I agree that planning can't force people to change, but it does decide what is allowed and in doing so, it shapes people's perceptions about what is right and what is possible. Moving to a model which does not artificially support suburban development, would not mean more, but less planning interventioninsm. The current model is not beneficial to anyone but the apparently short-sighted home builders/developers who seem to dominate the construction scene here (maybe everywhere).

I would suggest that allowing large scale development downtown, and anywhere else somewone wants to try (within limits of course), if the market supports it, is not overplanning. Rather, it is permitting an organic process to occur (which from my reading, Jacobs would support), where good ideas will survive and bad ones will die. Sure we would want to step in if all that was being built was giant residential or office towers, but I don't see any great danger of that happening

You seem eager to sound the death knell of downtown condos. Why not wait and see if they are built and if they sell rather than attacking them in principle beforehand?

Last edited by socialisthorde; Feb 8, 2009 at 10:11 PM.
     
     
  #5234  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 2:10 AM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
Quote:
Originally Posted by lbird View Post
I think more than a few people on this board need to take this preceding section into account. Forcing external planning trends on a population that does not want them and that do not make sense for a certain climate and geography is just a recipe for failure. Reading some of the threads on this board about adding tens of thousands of residents in downtown highrises when we are having a hard time selling the few condos that are there right now just illustrates this fact. Don't even get me started on those posts about large-scale solar deployment within the city, a waste which would make the ethanol farce look good by comparison.
Could you please clarify and expand on your statement "Forcing external planning trends on a population that does not want them and that do not make sense for a certain climate and geography is just a recipe for failure. ".

How do you think Saskatoon has been developing since its inception, through internal planning trends?
     
     
  #5235  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 2:14 AM
Ruckus's Avatar
Ruckus Ruckus is offline
working stiff
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Woodlawn Cemetery
Posts: 2,583
A few photos from today...









     
     
  #5236  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 2:48 PM
The Bess The Bess is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 890
thanks for the photos saskftw. as I have been away from saskatoon for awhile you really appreciate it.Looking forward to being there this summer also as far as planning, you also appreciate the well thought out planning that went into Saskatoon. I visited alot of cities in the US and Canada and Saskatoon is truly unique in this regard. I believe in the people that live there now will continue to make the right choices for the right reasons when the time comes.
     
     
  #5237  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 9:33 PM
kgc087's Avatar
kgc087 kgc087 is offline
Urban Dreamer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 1,128
MVA approves gallery plans
Meewasin Valley interpretive centre to cost $8.9 million
Luke Simcoe, The StarPhoenix
Published: Monday, February 09, 2009
The Meewasin Valley Authority (MVA) has approved plans for a new $8.9-million interpretive centre near River Landing.

Design schematics for the new Meewasin Valley Centre -- which will include a model of a woolly mammoth discovered in Saskatoon in 1953 -- were accepted by the MVA board on Friday.

Meewasin CEO Susan Lamb says the proposed facility would replace the organization's existing headquarters in Friendship Park. The MVA has been located in the former Rothman's building for more than 20 years, and Lamb says it's time for a change.

"The building is in terrible shape," she said, noting problems with roof leaks, poor insulation and a lack of space for displays.

The new gallery will be divided into three different areas, each focusing on a different aspect of Saskatoon's connection to the South Saskatchewan River.

Planned displays include an interactive model of the Meewasin valley and its landmarks, an aquarium with live river animals, a mini theatre for screenings and presentations and the chance for visitors to dress up as pioneers and have their photo taken in a Red River cart.

The design of the building also incorporates a number of environmentally friendly initiatives such as solar heating, low-flow water systems and a green roof. The centre is expected to be certified Gold under the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED) rating system.

"We're a conservation society," said Lamb, "so it was important to us that we not only talked the talk but also walked the walk in terms of sustainability."

Lamb said replacing the Meewasin Valley Centre is an important step in the ongoing development of River Landing: "We see the centre as mile zero on the Meewasin trail."

Despite approving plans for the facility, the MVA still needs to raise a substantial amount of money for construction. The preliminary $8.9 million cost estimate for the building is well above the $1.7 million the provincial government gave the project two years ago.

Lamb admits money is an obstacle, but she's optimistic the funds will materialize.

"All the officials at various levels of government that we've spoken with have been very positive," she said. "We're looking at all the levels of infrastructure spending to see where we might fit in."

[email protected]

© The StarPhoenix (Saskatoon) 2009

This is exciting to finally have this building updated! Being such an integral piece of Saskatoon it will be nice to have them more properally showcased, although if I recall the building wasn't anything special but anything is really better then what they have.
__________________
Just be.
     
     
  #5238  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 9:46 PM
kgc087's Avatar
kgc087 kgc087 is offline
Urban Dreamer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 1,128
Does anyone have the rendering of what it is going to look like, I know it was posted a while back but I can't find it.
__________________
Just be.
     
     
  #5239  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 11:14 PM
joelpiecowye's Avatar
joelpiecowye joelpiecowye is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Saskatoon_Cambridge_Den Haag
Posts: 426
found it

http://www.meewasin.com/common/pdfs/news_events/explorer/2009/01-02_2009.pdf

go to page 3 it shows pictures of it

also here is some infro from meewasin website




Meewasin approved that proposed amendments to the South Downtown District Policy be considered at a public hearing on March 6th. The amendments deal with the amount of office space restriction needed in order to promote mixed use daily and evening activity, and the introduction of a map such that development controls may be better understood.

Meewasin approved the application to construct an addition to Place Riel at the University of Saskatchewan consisting of a four-storey addition (plus mechanical pent-house) to the existing building. The addition will be nestled between Marquis Hall and the Murray Building north of the existing Place Riel. The project also includes the completion of renovations to the lower floor of the existing Place Riel and improved interior connections to the existing Marquis Hall building.

Meewasin approved the interpretive schematic design for a new Meewasin Valley Center. The features are:

A main interpretive gallery divided into three different areas: Healthy River, Healthy Saskatoon; One River, Many Stories; and Our River, Our Home;
A central feature of the river valley in Saskatoon built by a local artist;
An exhibition hall that will be able to accommodate temporary shows of education, business and technology; local artists and artisans, public meetings;
Interpretation throughout the building including the sustainable building features and the “walk”of famous Saskatonians connecting the centre to the Meewasin Trail;
Community involvement in the interpretive design;
Interactive audiovisuals featuring Meewasin Valley flyovers, Meewasin formation, Flannagan’s Hotel, captaining the City of Medicine Hat riverboat on the South Saskatchewan River, an infinite grain train connecting the CN station to the Bessborough;
A model of a young wooly mammoth depicting the story of the one found near Saskatoon in 1953 in what is now Meewasin Park;
A terrarium and an aquarium of river creatures;
A hands on water table;
Red river carts, canoes, speakers gallery, photo opportunities;
“Fishing” a wide variety of items found in the river;
The ability to reconstruct Saskatoon Bridges;
Comparing ones reach to the wings of a pelican;
A mini theatre for historical and new programs.


i think it looks nice( very green) looks much better than the old building
__________________
Its out time to Shine
     
     
  #5240  
Old Posted Feb 9, 2009, 11:59 PM
kgc087's Avatar
kgc087 kgc087 is offline
Urban Dreamer
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Saskatoon
Posts: 1,128
The rendering of the front is amazing! It really does the building much more justice then what weve previously seen. It's very "green modern" and will really enhance a specific architectural style which is becoming prominent in the south downtown.
__________________
Just be.
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Closed Thread

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Manitoba & Saskatchewan
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:28 PM.

     

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.