Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[Boiseguy]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

No, it's mostly straight, but everyone was welcome, just as gay bars are mostly gay, but all are welcome. The gay bars in town include: "Babylon" (Saturday nights at club "Bliss," kiddy-corner to Port-O-Call), club "Jam" (in the Marmalade district on 300 West and 700 North), both "The Trap Door" and "The Trap" (West of The Gateway on 100 South), Gossip (Friday nights at club Sound, near intermodal hub), and Tryangles (on 900 South, around the corner from Trails (a straight strip club)). There is also "The Paper Moon" on State Street which caters mostly to the lesbian crowd. "W Lounge" is not necessarily gay or straight; the place is pretty sexuality ambiguous.

I see, I remember going there with some friends though, and there were some very creepy old guys that wouldn't go away... ... I'm sure you know the types I'm speaking of...
Wasn't sure....that's why I wondered.....
Guess we just brought the "GAY" with us....and it brought the oldie hawns out of the woodwork.....

[litvil3]

Jam is a great new bar and a great addition to the Marmalade area. From a planning perspective the owners are really struggling (along with a few other businesses in the area) to get rezoned so they can get a liquor license.

The issue was sent back to the planning commission from the city council a few weeks ago and I'm not sure if the staff have come back with their recommendations yet. I need to follow up so thanks for the reminder!

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

Well, one can still live a "conservative" lifestyle and uphold their "conservative" values and still be accepting of other people and lifestyles. I wouldn't call this "liberal", but "open-minded". "Liberals", too, need to be open-minded and accepting of people with more "conservative" lifestyles. I tend to hear "liberal" associated with "open-minded", though that is not necessarily true. One can be just as easily "conservative" and "open-minded" as "liberal" and "open-minded".

When I said liberal and open minded together I wasn't meaning it in a political sense, more of a live and let live, we're all just people sort of way. I do see what you are saying, and I agree... I just think that when you are around people from other walks of life long enough you can't help but to start and empathize... which often leads to a change of point of view. So in that sense you are becoming more "liberal"... but not necessarily joining the Democratic Party. lol

[Orpheum]

Hey Peeps,..
I've thrown up a really quick model of the Shubrick for 3D Warehouse.. I figured it deserved it..



Also, I added an updated Wells Fargo model with a better skin if anyone is interested:

[skierforlife17]

This is why i dont talk politics with friends, people polarize perspectives to the point where there is actually no discussion it is one person telling the other person how they feel and vise versa without any views ever changing (only people getting mad at each other). I am a college student, I see myself as a conservative (die hard economically) with some very moderate to liberal stances on many areas. I think the average person doesnt know what liberal or conservative truly stands for so they go around bantering and arguing because they actually have zero clue what they represent but know that if you fight the good fight it appears as if you know what your talking about.

I would bet that the majority of Americans are actually very moderate but because we mainly identify with one or two specific causes we tend to see ourselves as the political party that sides with (this is what the political machine does to us).

For example, I believe gay marriage should be absolutely legal , but i feel that it should not be called a marriage because the bible defines it between a man and a women. Civil Union is a better term i feel. Secondly gay couples who are wanting to love and raise a child with more warmth then sadly many families give their children today should have every right in the world and as a society we should feel inclined to give children an opportunity to be raised in a loving tolerant home. Homophobe's will tell you that they will raise there children to be gay like them. Knowing gay families in Montreal with children I know it is the exact opposite. Gay couples want to raise there children to realize that it is ok to be who you are and love who you want and that is truly a beautiful thing.

I think its sad that people cant self reflect about things like they should and realize that in many situations there is a right thing to do and that a political party should not have to define what the right thing is.

There is enough banter for one night, i know this is way way off topic but i get tired of the liberal that and conservative this.


oohhh but seriously such a lopsided congress is scaring me.. can anyone say socialism?? (im a dual citizen that has live in both the us and canada and Ill tell you socialism sounds way better then it really is ).. though this contradicts what i wrote above.

[Justnslcsugarhood.]

[QUOTE= though this contradicts what i wrote above.[/QUOTE]

you even realize that you contradicted your self as well

[TANGELD_SLC]

hehe I guess you could say that my avatar shows quite well how I feel about socialism and our current administration/congress.
Socialism looks and sounds great on paper but once applied IRL it sucks.

As for this liberal vs. conservative stuff (I know, I know, but I want to get in my own quick) I believe in conserving our environment, human life, our money, our government's size, our values, our quality of life, and our future.
I guess I'm "liberal" in the sense that I believe that two or more consenting adult regardless of gender have the right to a CIVIL UNION, which is different than MARRIAGE because marriage is a religious institution, in reality but the government ought to stop being so pigheaded about civil unions. GAWD get into the 21st century why doncha?

[Boiseguy]

I think the gay marriage topic should be left alone... commenting on it to make your point in your political views is great for the sake of analogy.. but I'm certain that it is a super touchy issue, and as a gay person myself.. I'm tempted to engage you all...but, like it was mentioned before... it turns into just a one up.. Equality is equality... and it eventually happens in America.. that is what makes america great.. we have protected processes of presenting our case by way of the court system...
As for the socialism comments... its a matter of defining what is considered socialist... There has and will always be a socialist component in America whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.. and societal/technological/environmental changes shift the socialist/capitalistic balance constantly...
I think it's just not a good idea to get too involved in these topics.. because there are strong opinions on both sides...

[UTAZLoVer]

Two things:

First, I went to JAM a couple weeks ago and I must say I really enjoyed the bar and I hope the it continues to do well. Kinda weird location for me, but hopefully the area is up and coming or something.

Second, UL - please run a spell check before posting. Sometime I find myself wanting to agree with you but I simply have to stop reading your posts because I can't stand spelling errors. They discredit your posts and taint your arguments. I don't mean to be rude at all, I just mean to help point out that when you are trying to prove a point and attempt to persuade someone to your view, your chances of success are increased when your words are spelled right. Polorizing = Polarizing, Truley = Truly, etc.

Thanks.

[Future Mayor]

Well since we're making comments politically, this one really does deal with future development and growth of the state.

F'ing Waddups, which I'm sure you all heard, is trying to take the concession Governor Huntsman made of allowing ID scanners to verify legit ID's for clubs and bars in exchange for removing the private club law, and attempting to make us into a communist state apparently.

Like I said Gov Huntsman and bar and club owners were willing to use the ID scan system as a verification of legitimate ID's, so now Waddups wants all restaurants that serve alcohol to also scan the ID, but all restaurants and clubs would then be required to upload the collected information into a central data base. WHAT THE HELL is wrong with this guy.

Yes I understand that he has some personal issues with drunk drivers, for those of you that don't know several years ago his wife was rear ended by a drunk driver and has had continuing issues since. HOWEVER she was hit a 9 AM, so that has nothing to do with clubs, bars or restaurants serving alcohol, I think he is so blinded by his anger that he doesn't see any of the issues clearly.

I probably shouldn't even say this, because it will probably get passed on to Waddups, but I'm surprised he doesn't want the ID scanners to at the liquor store so they can track the data of who buys how much how often.

My mother is in her late 60's is VERY Conservative and very religious and even she thinks this push by Waddups is ridiculous.

[shakman]

Originally Posted by nickfreakingrules

No offense, but you don't live here, so you don't know what it's like. UTAH is predominately conservative, SLC is predominately liberal and struggling with the rest of the state to stay that way. Loosing a bar in SLC is like loosing a ward house in Sandy. lol

nick... You are correct. I know I do not know what Utah is like since I do not live there; though a visit is coming probably in March. I would like to learn more from different perspectives, but reading can only do so much. However, people on this forum have given me great insight on what Utah is and what direction each would like to take. The SLC threads are one of just a handful of threads in which I can be a part of a pro-active conversation.

Therefore, no offense taken...

...and to answer a comment about conservatives being open to others... I consider myself as one, especially as family orientated.

Comrade... I guess we will have to see what positive impacts CCC and Sugarhouse will have when complete and functional.

Everyone Living in the SLC Area... Just be thankful there are investments in SLC during this economic mess. There are plenty of other cities that would "brown nose" SLC to have those types of investments; liberal or conservative.

[T-Mac]

Originally Posted by Orpheum

Hey Peeps,..
I've thrown up a really quick model of the Shubrick for 3D Warehouse.. I figured it deserved it..



Also, I added an updated Wells Fargo model with a better skin if anyone is interested:

Orpheum, I love the designs. You do great work. Thanks for sharing that with us.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by Orpheum

Hey Peeps,..
I've thrown up a really quick model of the Shubrick for 3D Warehouse.. I figured it deserved it..

Here's what the Feds should have done/should now do:

-Let Port-O-Call stay in the Shubrick until they were ready to actually start building the Borg cube.

-Finished moving Oddfellows Hall, even if it meant taking it apart piece-by-piece and re-assembling it across the street.

-Rather than auction it off (there seem to be no interested buyers), give it to the owners of Port-O-Call or trade them for the Shubrick or something.

-Port-O-Call could re-open in Oddfellows hall on Market Street.

-The feds could then build the new courthouse.

[shakman]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Port-O-Call would make a great anchor for Market Street, and the Odd Fellows Hall would make a sweet venue! But how do we hold the government accountable?

The Feds? Good luck unless a Federal Judge stops the Federal Courthouse project. Sorry for the pessimism, but it is a daunting task. If mitigated measures were in place before the fact, then there wouold have been a better chance.

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

Here's what the Feds should have done/should now do:

-Let Port-O-Call stay in the Shubrick until they were ready to actually start building the Borg cube.

-Finished moving Oddfellows Hall, even if it meant taking it apart piece-by-piece and re-assembling it across the street.

-Rather than auction it off (there seem to be no interested buyers), give it to the owners of Port-O-Call or trade them for the Shubrick or something.

-Port-O-Call could re-open in Oddfellows hall on Market Street.

-The feds could then build the new courthouse.

DUH that would just make way to much sense, and would probably save the feds money in the long run. What are you crazy, to even think of an idea like this?

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by Future Mayor

Well since we're making comments politically, this one really does deal with future development and growth of the state.

F'ing Waddups, which I'm sure you all heard, is trying to take the concession Governor Huntsman made of allowing ID scanners to verify legit ID's for clubs and bars in exchange for removing the private club law, and attempting to make us into a communist state apparently.

Like I said Gov Huntsman and bar and club owners were willing to use the ID scan system as a verification of legitimate ID's, so now Waddups wants all restaurants that serve alcohol to also scan the ID, but all restaurants and clubs would then be required to upload the collected information into a central data base. WHAT THE HELL is wrong with this guy.

Yes I understand that he has some personal issues with drunk drivers, for those of you that don't know several years ago his wife was rear ended by a drunk driver and has had continuing issues since. HOWEVER she was hit a 9 AM, so that has nothing to do with clubs, bars or restaurants serving alcohol, I think he is so blinded by his anger that he doesn't see any of the issues clearly.

I probably shouldn't even say this, because it will probably get passed on to Waddups, but I'm surprised he doesn't want the ID scanners to at the liquor store so they can track the data of who buys how much how often.

My mother is in her late 60's is VERY Conservative and very religious and even she thinks this push by Waddups is ridiculous.

That is pretty ridiculous, and I"m pretty sure it's also unconstitutional. Should he try to pass this there will be lawsuits, and it could end up before the supreme court because while scanning ID's doesn't violate our right to privacy, I'm pretty sure uploading them into a database that tracks our activities is.

[utahboozer]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

Here's what the Feds should have done/should now do:

-Let Port-O-Call stay in the Shubrick until they were ready to actually start building the Borg cube.

-Finished moving Oddfellows Hall, even if it meant taking it apart piece-by-piece and re-assembling it across the street.

-Rather than auction it off (there seem to be no interested buyers), give it to the owners of Port-O-Call or trade them for the Shubrick or something.

-Port-O-Call could re-open in Oddfellows hall on Market Street.

-The feds could then build the new courthouse.

This makes too much sense.

You have no future in federal gov't/politics.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

-Port-O-Call could re-open in Oddfellows hall on Market Street.

Oddfellows Hall is way too small for any kind of club. Have you ever been inside? It's really, really small. Like 30 people is a crowd on any floor. You could fit like 90 people in it total.

[shakman]

Originally Posted by Orpheum

Also, I added an updated Wells Fargo model with a better skin if anyone is interested:

I do not see the difference. Where is the difference located?

[Future Mayor]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Oddfellows Hall is way too small for any kind of club. Have you ever been inside? It's really, really small. Like 30 people is a crowd on any floor. You could fit like 90 people in it total.

While I have never been in Odd Fellows Hall it really doesn't seem all that small by looking at it in person or on Google Earth.

Here is a quick comparison, according to a quick measurement on Google Earth.
Port O'Call entire Main Floor (including back of house) 6,175 sq ft

Port O'Call Club room and stairway (second floor) 4,171 sq ft

ODD Fellow Hall 5,280 sq ft.

The Bayou, (including back of house and patio seating)4,746 sq ft

So while it is smaller than the first floor and basement of Port it really is a great size for a club, especially considering it would have a basement and one or two floors on top. They could also possibly place a patio outside next to the building.

The former Port was actually a very large club. As UrbanBoy mentioned many of the clubs throughout the city as smaller than just one level of Port. For instance the W Lounge (a small intimate club) across the street is about 4,200 sq ft, and the Circle Lounge on State is just over 5,000 sq ft.

I think Odd Fellow would be the ideal location for Port to relocate, the multiple floors and the opportunity for a large outdoor patio would give them to opportunity to provide different types of bar/club amenities like they have always done.

here's to hoping they end up moving into Odd Fellows.