Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[scottharding]

I'm not the most knowledgable about this sort of thing, but aren't those projections assuming the growth tends of the past two decades will continue for the next six? Because that's not gonna happen in St. George. The bottom fell out of the housing market there, as it did in Vegas and Pheonix. The city's growth rate has dropped drastically. Of course, it will continue to grow, and likely at a faster rate than the average american city, but I think it is safe to assume that the boom is over.
And maybe it's wishful thinking, but I have a hunch that Eagle Mountain will lose its appeal before 2060. It's just a clone of Herriman, or American Fork.

[WASDEN]

Originally Posted by aspiringArchitect

Wow if thats the case, St George's sprawl would totally destroy its beautiful surroundings!

Some of us believe that St. George has already accomplished this

[utahboozer]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

Care to post a link to the rest of the data?

[wrendog]

http://governor.utah.gov/dea/popprojections.html

and the click Subcounty Population Projections (Total Population)

[skierforlife17]

HEELLLL YES, this thread is bumpin today!!

[utahboozer]

Originally Posted by wrendog

http://governor.utah.gov/dea/popprojections.html

and the click Subcounty Population Projections (Total Population)

thx!

[utahboozer]

According to these projections, over 14,000 people will die in Salt Lake County in 2060.

Makes sense, proportionate to population, but it's still crazy.

[jtrent77]

Originally Posted by scottharding

I'm not the most knowledgable about this sort of thing, but aren't those projections assuming the growth tends of the past two decades will continue for the next six? Because that's not gonna happen in St. George. The bottom fell out of the housing market there, as it did in Vegas and Pheonix. The city's growth rate has dropped drastically. Of course, it will continue to grow, and likely at a faster rate than the average american city, but I think it is safe to assume that the boom is over.
And maybe it's wishful thinking, but I have a hunch that Eagle Mountain will lose its appeal before 2060. It's just a clone of Herriman, or American Fork.

Not really sure how American Fork is like the other two considering that AF has the transit options that everyone on here is always talking about--being on I-15, having a FrontRunner stop planned, and has no chance for pretty much any more sprawl since Pleasant Grove, Lehi, Highland, and Utah Lake have it completely locked.

[TANGELD_SLC]

St. George?

HAHAHA no.

Not going to happen in a million years. Salt Lake will have probably annexed half of the valley by then, which according to the report is going to be 2.4 million, so SLC will be 1.2 million strong. We'll also have about 7 supertalls by then too

[Urban_logic]

Well, the only problem I have with St. George is that it doesn't exactly have the best access to water - it will be competing with huge Utah cities, Phoenix, Vegas, La, etc. I don't think there will be enough water to go around. Other than that, if St. George is able to stay very dense and build up more than out, I think it could accomodate that many people while keeping the environment in tact. I know Oakland, CA has about the same population and it's very well contained between the east bay hills on the east and the bay on the west. St. George could do this if it becomes much denser and builds up.

[Urban_logic]

Originally Posted by TANGELD_SLC

St. George?

HAHAHA no.

Not going to happen in a million years. Salt Lake will have probably annexed half of the valley by then, which according to the report is going to be 2.4 million, so SLC will be 1.2 million strong. We'll also have about 7 supertalls by then too

I don't know, if South Jordan and West Jordan teamed up, they would surpass SLC's population (315k vs 225k). They could combine into Jordan City and eat SLC alive!! Muhahaha! Together, they would be almost 100k more populous than SLC! Then if they bring Copperton, Harriman, and Riverton into their mega city, they would be more than double SLC's 225k at about 500K! The south west valley would totally kick butt in 2060 if these numbers hold true!

Seriously though, I don't think SLC could feasibly anex half the valley. I bet West Valley will annex Magna and Kearns into it eventually, SLC will annext North SL, South SL, and all unincorporated areas/small cities sorounding it. Sandy will incorporate its neighbors, and West Jordan and South Jordan will combine and absorb the south west valley. I'm seeing a 2060 of 4 major cities in the four corners of the valley. It looks like they will probably all rival each other once they are all built out. The report estimates that the valley will have 2.04 million (you overlooked a zero, Tangeled - its more like 2 million even). I just roughly added the south west valley cities (where I live) together and figure they will have somewhere in the 500k population range. If 4 mega cities do emerge the way I see it, they should each have roughly similar populations (2 million/4 = 500k each). I bet that SLC and the Jordan area will rival as the valley leaders with Sandy in third place and West Valley in fourth.

[skyguy414]

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[DMTower]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

I don't know, if South Jordan and West Jordan teamed up, they would surpass SLC's population (315k vs 225k). They could combine into Jordan City and eat SLC alive!! Muhahaha! Together, they would be almost 100k more populous than SLC! Then if they bring Copperton, Harriman, and Riverton into their mega city, they would be more than double SLC's 225k at about 500K! The south west valley would totally kick butt in 2060 if these numbers hold true!

Seriously though, I don't think SLC could feasibly anex half the valley. I bet West Valley will annex Magna and Kearns into it eventually, SLC will annext North SL, South SL, and all unincorporated areas/small cities sorounding it. Sandy will incorporate its neighbors, and West Jordan and South Jordan will combine and absorb the south west valley. I'm seeing a 2060 of 4 major cities in the four corners of the valley. It looks like they will probably all rival each other once they are all built out. The report estimates that the valley will have 2.04 million (you overlooked a zero, Tangeled - its more like 2 million even). I just roughly added the south west valley cities (where I live) together and figure they will have somewhere in the 500k population range. If 4 mega cities do emerge the way I see it, they should each have roughly similar populations (2 million/4 = 500k each). I bet that SLC and the Jordan area will rival as the valley leaders with Sandy in third place and West Valley in fourth.

One thing to consider though is Salt Lake has a HUGE lead on transit over the other areas and the difference is only going to get bigger in the next few years as more rail lines are added and freeways upgraded. There still is no decent freeway in those parts of the valley, and all trax lines lead to downtown even though they pass through those areas. The ease of getting around in Salt Lake compared to the others may be enough to keep SLC in the lead.

[Urban_logic]

Actually, this is the way I see it in 2060 :

[Urban_logic]

Originally Posted by DMTower

One thing to consider though is Salt Lake has a HUGE lead on transit over the other areas and the difference is only going to get bigger in the next few years as more rail lines are added and freeways upgraded. There still is no decent freeway in those parts of the valley, and all trax lines lead to downtown even though they pass through those areas. The ease of getting around in Salt Lake compared to the others may be enough to keep SLC in the lead.

You're looking at it the way the valley is now. In 50 years, the West Valley and Jordan area will have a 10-lane freeway completely independent from SLC and will have had it for decades, there will be a "transit spine" going up and down the west bench consisting of light-rail and BRT that will also be indepentent of SLC and will move people up and down the west side exclusively, then there will be the West Valley TRAX line and the Mid-Jordan TRAX that bridges into SLC and connects to regional commuter rails. Rio Tinto is also planning a complete urban center in the Harriman area with a possible university and ski resort. It is behind SLC right now, but it will catch up - deffinately in 50 years! Even now, the area has the same population as SLC (though not as dense and more spread out). It deffinately has potential and it sounds like there are great plans in place.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

Rio Tinto is also planning a complete urban center in the Harriman area with a possible university and ski resort. It is behind SLC right now, but it will catch up - deffinately in 50 years! Even now, the area has the same population as SLC (though not as dense and more spread out). It deffinately has potential and it sounds like there are great plans in place.

The urban center with ski resort planned by Kennecott Land, which they've put on indefinite hold, is at approximately 5400 South--closer to Magna and Kearns--NOT exactly near Herriman.

[Justnslcsugarhood.]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

I don't know, if South Jordan and West Jordan teamed up, they would surpass SLC's population (315k vs 225k). They could combine into Jordan City and eat SLC alive!! Muhahaha! Together, they would be almost 100k more populous than SLC! Then if they bring Copperton, Harriman, and Riverton into their mega city, they would be more than double SLC's 225k at about 500K! The south west valley would totally kick butt in 2060 if these numbers hold true!

Seriously though, I don't think SLC could feasibly anex half the valley. I bet West Valley will annex Magna and Kearns into it eventually, SLC will annext North SL, South SL, and all unincorporated areas/small cities sorounding it. Sandy will incorporate its neighbors, and West Jordan and South Jordan will combine and absorb the south west valley. I'm seeing a 2060 of 4 major cities in the four corners of the valley. It looks like they will probably all rival each other once they are all built out. The report estimates that the valley will have 2.04 million (you overlooked a zero, Tangeled - its more like 2 million even). I just roughly added the south west valley cities (where I live) together and figure they will have somewhere in the 500k population range. If 4 mega cities do emerge the way I see it, they should each have roughly similar populations (2 million/4 = 500k each). I bet that SLC and the Jordan area will rival as the valley leaders with Sandy in third place and West Valley in fourth.

I doubt that there will one day be a city called Jordan city, the two will never join together. I could see Kerns and Magna and Magna and SLC but I don't think that Jordans would have any benefit from merging. I could see SLC maybe incorporating Highland in the future and MAYBE cottonwood

[DMTower]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

You're looking at it the way the valley is now. In 50 years, the West Valley and Jordan area will have a 10-lane freeway completely independent from SLC and will have had it for decades, there will be a "transit spine" going up and down the west bench consisting of light-rail and BRT that will also be indepentent of SLC and will move people up and down the west side exclusively, then there will be the West Valley TRAX line and the Mid-Jordan TRAX that bridges into SLC and connects to regional commuter rails. Rio Tinto is also planning a complete urban center in the Harriman area with a possible university and ski resort. It is behind SLC right now, but it will catch up - deffinately in 50 years! Even now, the area has the same population as SLC (though not as dense and more spread out). It deffinately has potential and it sounds like there are great plans in place.

Yes, they have those plans in place, but SLC isn't just going to sit still. It already has much more in the works, and with the proposed trolley system they will have much more mass transit infrastructure by that time. Also, those areas are going to sprawl much more before they start going vertical, whereas SLC is at a point where vertical residential is exploding. If this trend continues, SLC will be cramming many more people in per square mile than those parts of the valley. Plus, when downtown had a crappy urban vibe, those that wanted to live in an urban setting went elsewhere... in the future, Salt Lake will be drawing those people in.

[Urban_logic]

Originally Posted by Stenar

The urban center with ski resort planned by Kennecott Land, which they've put on indefinite hold, is at approximately 5400 South--closer to Magna and Kearns--NOT exactly near Herriman.

Well, I thought that Rio Tinto is the new name for Kennecott, is it not? I swear I heard (or read) that it changed its name.

I didn't know that! I thought it was going to be much farther south. I honestly don't remember where I read about it, but you're probably right. Kearns would make more sense - seeing as it's a much better central location for the west bench.

BTW, I didn't mean to start a debate. This is just my estimate as to what things may look like in the future. That's all. We all could be right (or wrong), it could look very differently. This is just me speculating - which could be way off. Remember that we're talking 50 years down the road. If you go 50 years the other direction, almost all cities south of 54th South and west of Redwood Rd. didn't even exsist. Magna was a little mining town, West Valley was all prarie and farm land, the Jordans had a couple thousand people (if that), Sandy had just a few thousand. I would be willing to guess that 85-90% of all SL County residents lived within SLC Proper. If this much change has happened since then, imagine how much is in store for the next 50 years!

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by Urban_logic

Well, I thought that Rio Tinto is the new name for Kennecott, is it not? I swear I heard (or read) that it changed its name.

Rio Tinto is the parent company for its subsidiaries, Kennecott Utah Copper and Kennecott Land.