Millennium Line - Broadway Extension: Planning & Pre-Construction - Page 31

agrant · #**601** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 4:07 AM**

That list doesn't make any sense to me, but I'll take your word for it.

Canadian Mind · #**602** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 4:45 AM**

basically how full the bus is relative to the capacity filled when it leaves a stop... least that is my interpretation of it. so a 66% bus would be like a 60 passenger bus with 40 people on board leaving UBC, on average (some buses will be full, some will be empty).

fever · #**603** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 5:23 AM**

deasine, that list only shows how full the bus is at Willow, not how many people use the stop at Willow.

Jared · #**604** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 6:03 AM**

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Originally Posted by fever

Yeah. I agree. It's more or less an illustration of the consensus view on here. A station further south at UBC (od's preferred alignment) could be worthwhile, but I don't see the need for a station at the village, unless UBC has plans for the area.

I'd question the Oak station, too. Cambie and Granville are both five blocks away. It's borderline, but probably necessary because of VGH and the office district there.

I personally lean towards a station between Cambie and Granville. The distance doesn't completely justify it, but that area is really "downtown Broadway st.". Based on personal observation, there are quite a lot of people getting on/off at the Willow stop.

Two stops between Commercial and Main (VCC-Clark and Finning) is another example of this. The distance doesnt really warrant two stations, but the two distinct nodes are just far enough apart to have to have both of them to properly serve the area.

Arbutus is arguably another example, all Arbutus buses turn onto Broadway, so you can transfer at Granville or McDonald, the main reason for an Arbutus stop is a potential future streetcar connection.

deasine · #**605** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 6:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by fever

deasine, that list only shows how full the bus is at Willow, not how many people use the stop at Willow.

My bad haha but if 5% of the people on the bus gets off the eastbound stop.

Jared · #**606** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 6:21 AM**

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Originally Posted by deasine

My bad haha but if 5% of the people on the bus gets off the eastbound stop.

no, that's not what it means either, it means that the bus has a net loss of 5% of passengers at this stop.

Hypothetical situation (let's say the bus has a capacity of 100 people):

At Cambie, there are 100 people on the bus
At Willow, 5 get off
Hence 95 people on the bus. This is what you are suggesting

However, the following is also possible:

At Cambie, there are 100 people on the bus
At Willow, 25 get off, but 20 get on
Hence, 95 people on the bus.

That data doesnt tell you how many people (dis)embark at each stop.

deasine · #**607** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 6:46 AM**

FINE FINE FINE I'm wrong =D

I STILL WANT A STOP THERE THOUGH. There's a lot of high density development in that area... and we could be expecting more in the future.

SpongeG · #**608** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 6:51 AM**

yah if you have to go for treatment at VGH or in that area its quite a trek from cambie street - something close to VGH would be nice

The_Henry_Man · #**609** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 7:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by SpongeG

yah if you have to go for treatment at VGH or in that area its quite a trek from cambie street - something close to VGH would be nice

I would say a station at Laurel would be perfect.

nname · #**610** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 11:13 AM**

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Originally Posted by The_Henry_Man

I would say a station at Laurel would be perfect.

And name that "Oak" station, otherwise nobody will know where is it.

And this is the actual boarding numbers for each stop in EB #99. Note that the numbers are so small, some digits may be wrong.. but the first digit should be correct.

Code:

UBC		9212
Wesbrook	2425
Sasamat		1174
Alma		1339
Macdonald	2129
Granville	3444
Willow		2858
Cambie		1600
Main		1763
Clark		355
... below are just for fun ...
Commerical	349
Nanaimo		7
Pentiction	5
Renfrew		1
Rupert		1

Data are from RTM phase B page 77

nname · #**611** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 12:33 PM**

Since I'm bored, I use both the boarding data and load data to estimate how many people leave at each stop. Also, I estimated the total usage of the stop assuming each passenger leave the stop will take the bus from the same stop home (so total = 2x total eastbound, I know this is might be far from the real number, but I can't find the WB boarding data in the document). For comparison purpose, I also named a SkyTrain station that has similar usage as the stop.

Code:

Stop Name	Load	Board	Alight	EB Ttl	Total	Similar Skytrain Station
===========	======	======	======	======	======	=========================
UBC		 7200	7200	   0	 7200	14400	Scott Road
Wesbrook	 9000	2400	 600	 3000	 6000	Gateway
Sasamat		 8800	1200	1400	 2600	 5200	Gilmore
Alma		 9100	1300	1000	 2300	 4600	Gilmore
Macdonald	 9100	2100	2100	 4200	 8400	Royal Oak / Braid / Brentwood
Granville	 9800	3400	2700	 6100	12200	22nd Street
Willow		10300	2900	2400	 5300	10600	King George / Production
Cambie		11000	1600	 900	 2500	 5000	Gilmore
Main		10000	1800	2800	 4600	 9200	Nanaimo
Clark		 9700	 400	 700	 1100	 2200	VCC/Clark
Commerical	  300	 300	9700	10000	20000	Surrey Central

Note that I noticed the data doesn't match for the UBC stop, so I changed it from 9200 to the 7200 stated in the load data. This number is actually a closer match to the data provided by UBC. If you still think the boarding at UBC is 9200, then the usage of that stop is similar to Stadium or Columbia (including E/M line transfers!) station.

Rusty Gull · #**612** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 4:56 PM**

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Originally Posted by The_Henry_Man

I would say a station at Laurel would be perfect.

Bingo. There's much more pedestrian traffic east of Oak than west of it, for some reason. The stop should be more of a "VGH" stop than an Oak Street stop.

racc · #**613** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 6:59 PM**

The Cambie will be much higher due to the Canada Line and the Commercial numbers are way to small.

CLC · #**614** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 9:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by fever

I'd question the Oak station, too. Cambie and Granville are both five blocks away. It's borderline, but probably necessary because of VGH and the office district there.

Last time I clocked that I can walk between Cambie and Granville in 20 minutes (perhaps I am faster walking than average people). For non-seniors, I guess most should be able to walk to either station in 10 minutes

A station near Oak/Willow will sure be one of the most used station if it get built

jlousa · #**615** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 10:09 PM**

There will be enough demand for a Granville/Burrard situation with 2 stations right next to each other. I like the Yukon/Cambie and then Laurel idea.

I doubt a U-Pass program concept for the hospital workers would be viable, but maybe it's an option.

DKaz · #**616** Posted **Jan 22, 2009, 11:04 PM**

Having a station at VGH would make a lot more sense than having the station at Oak.

Arbutus Station will be well used once they get the streetcar/LRT to Kerrisdale (and beyond) running.

fever · #**617** Posted **Jan 23, 2009, 2:02 AM**

I was thinking Laurel too. The one thing is that it's on a bit of a hill, so the cut and cover trench would have to be dug deeper on the west side of the station. The block on the other side of Oak is perfectly flat. I don't know how important that is.

djun · #**618** Posted **Mar 9, 2009, 3:34 AM**

So looks like West Broadway Business Association has formed in anticipation of any issues with the UBC line construction...and they want to form some sort of compensation fund as well.

Go to GlobalTV BC, then click on News Hour, and finally on "Businesses in Fear" for the news broadcast.

Locked In · #**619** Posted **Mar 9, 2009, 4:09 AM**

Aren't we still far enough away from the construction of the UBC extension that the risk of disruption from station construction should just be part of lease-negotiations between businesses and landlords? It would certainly be unfortunate to see businesses along the Broadway corridor suffer, but I don't agree that compensation would be in order - shouldn't the leasing-market simply reflect the risk that business may suffer due to construction for a period of 2 or 3 years sometime in the next 10, and price accordingly?

crazyjoeda · #**620** Posted **Mar 9, 2009, 5:08 AM**

I really do feel sorry for these business owners but unfortunately the huge benefit of an extended skytrain network to all of metro Vancouver makes their loss seem less significant. I don't think compensation should be paid because it sets a bad precedent. Cambie street is not the first street to have construction work done. In 5 years businesses along Cambie will have more customers.