HomeDiagramsDatabaseMapsForum About
     

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > London > Projects & Construction Updates


Reply

 
Thread Tools Display Modes
     
     
  #1501  
Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 3:45 AM
JrUrbanDesigner JrUrbanDesigner is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: London
Posts: 31
Quote:
Originally Posted by MolsonExport View Post
I enjoyed reading your blog.
Thanks Molson,
I will try and update it as much as possible (whenever something new and/or exciting happends) so check it out every once in a while and dont forget to leave a comment!
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1502  
Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 10:20 PM
QuantumLeap QuantumLeap is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 206
It doesn't take a quantum physicist...

I have to vehemently disagree with the notion that the shabby old shit box at Wellington and Horton should be (have been?) demolished. It is absolutely right that this lot will become a surface parking lot, which decreases the already low pedestrian quality of the intersection, what with the long, dank walk through the underpass and the wide lanes and advanced turns on Wellington. Almost any building there looks better than a hole.
Secondly, it doesn't take a quantum physicist (sorry, couldn't resist the pun or the image) to figure out what the long-term effect of demolishing buildings downtown is- pretty soon, there is very little of anything to "revitalize". As Jane Jacobs pointed out, old, undistinguished buildings provide great space for nascent ventures because space is cheap - it could be light manufacturing, artist space, upstart internet ventures, whatever. Places from SOHO (NY) to Silicon Valley have thrived because of their initial ability to provide artists and entrepreneurs such space, although "gentrification" has eventually changed those areas significantly. Among other changes, the building stock has gradually been upgraded or replaced, turning former eyesores into fixed-up gems. Demolishing a building eliminates the possibility of such a "grassroots" turn-around and gentrification. Building a new building is almost always more expensive, and the sort of people who build new buildings are apt to charge high rents to "safe" tenants - read: Starbucks and the Gap. When the market doesn't exist for such safe tenants, as it surely doesn't at Wellington and Horton, then, surprise, surprise, the land stays vacant for a long time. Landlords and banks often can't be bothered to upgrade old buildings, however, so, they just knock them down, hoping to hold them for some amazing turnaround (the probability of which they diminish by knocking down neighbourhood buildings), while getting parking revenue in the interim. This kind of behaviour is what has really stopped the heart of neighbourhoods across the US and Canada, and which is evident in such places as Detroit, where vacant lots outnumber abandoned buildings by a ratio of something close to 10 to 1.
So, finally, I would say, the building at the corner was an eyesore. But it was an eyesore with economic and cultural potential, unlike the eyesore parking lot that will replace it.
London needs to stem the tide of such demolitions. I suggest both a carrot and a stick method:
Carrot:
-the City should decrease the economic value of parking lot income with incentives/ subsidization of parking decks, increased street parking, better transit infrastructure
-continue and expand the incentives and grant programs for older downtown buildings (heritage or not)
Stick:
-the City should disallow demolitions unless they are submitted along with a building permit application for the same site, or if the building is deemed by the building inspector to be unsafe and unfixable, in which case a demolition would be allowed, but the resulting vacant lot would be allowed only a temporary parking permit or perhaps not at all

Please tell me what you think.

Last edited by QuantumLeap; Jan 16, 2009 at 5:54 AM.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1503  
Old Posted Jan 15, 2009, 11:06 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
I agree.especialy the part about you need a construction permit to get a demo permit
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1504  
Old Posted Jan 16, 2009, 6:03 AM
london2020 london2020 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 50
Can anyone explain to me what the purpose of Bathurst St is? Did this used to be a proper through road? Why do they use the bridge over Wellington as a parking lot rather than a road to make Bathurst actually useful?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1505  
Old Posted Jan 16, 2009, 6:14 PM
manny_santos's Avatar
manny_santos manny_santos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Westminster
Posts: 5,141
Bathurst Street pre-dated the railway, it was one of the original east-west streets surveyed in the early 1800s along with Horton, York, King, and so forth. Its importance has been lessened for a very long time, and I can imagine the Horton extension in 1985 probably lessened it even more.

Somewhere out there there is a book of London street names which has some street histories, which may better answer your question.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1506  
Old Posted Jan 17, 2009, 5:30 AM
JrUrbanDesigner JrUrbanDesigner is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: London
Posts: 31
Renderings of Development At Dundas St and English St

Anyone interested and looking for renderings of the proposed development, going to planning committee in the comming weeks, in the Old East Village (at Dundas and English) please check my blog
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1507  
Old Posted Jan 17, 2009, 2:19 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
Quote:
Originally Posted by JrUrbanDesigner View Post
Anyone interested and looking for renderings of the proposed development, going to planning committee in the comming weeks, in the Old East Village (at Dundas and English) please check my blog
The building looks great. Must have been a bitch to find. when I looked I couldent find it.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1508  
Old Posted Jan 18, 2009, 8:25 PM
QuantumLeap QuantumLeap is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 206
How did you get colour images?!?!?

FYI, I still don't know how to post images. But you can always ask city planners for concept plans and elevations.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1509  
Old Posted Jan 18, 2009, 8:29 PM
QuantumLeap QuantumLeap is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 206
http://www.themanorvillage.com/photos/big/historic-london.html
This is the new development at Richmond and Victoria, where the old McCormick home was.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1510  
Old Posted Jan 18, 2009, 11:58 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
looks good
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1511  
Old Posted Jan 19, 2009, 12:02 AM
manny_santos's Avatar
manny_santos manny_santos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Westminster
Posts: 5,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumLeap View Post
http://www.themanorvillage.com/photos/big/historic-london.html
This is the new development at Richmond and Victoria, where the old McCormick home was.
I go by there almost daily, and there's been no construction there yet. It's just been an empty pit for the past year.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1512  
Old Posted Jan 20, 2009, 2:49 AM
JrUrbanDesigner JrUrbanDesigner is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: London
Posts: 31
So I hear RibFest is back on and going to be run by the people who do the kids expo and last years 1st annual international food festival. I also heared that they will combine ribfest with an outdoor homeshow? not sure how thats gonna work, might be interesting.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1513  
Old Posted Jan 20, 2009, 3:30 AM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
Quote:
Originally Posted by JrUrbanDesigner View Post
So I hear RibFest is back on and going to be run by the people who do the kids expo and last years 1st annual international food festival. I also heared that they will combine ribfest with an outdoor homeshow? not sure how thats gonna work, might be interesting.
Yahoooooooo
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1514  
Old Posted Jan 20, 2009, 11:23 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
they are putting up the last of the glass for the renniasance
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1515  
Old Posted Jan 21, 2009, 2:09 AM
london2020 london2020 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 50
Are they going ahead with phase 2?
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1516  
Old Posted Jan 21, 2009, 1:03 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
Quote:
Originally Posted by london2020 View Post
Are they going ahead with phase 2?
probobly. if they do it won't be until spring
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1517  
Old Posted Jan 21, 2009, 1:20 PM
MolsonExport's Avatar
MolsonExport MolsonExport is offline
Pass me the Vomit Bag.
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Otisburgh
Posts: 50,975
very pleased to hear that Ribfest is back on the summer menu. One of my fave festivals in the unForest city.
__________________
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell). Sweet Loretta fart thought she was a cleaner, but she was a frying pan. (John Lennon)
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1518  
Old Posted Jan 21, 2009, 9:50 PM
QuantumLeap QuantumLeap is offline
BANNED
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 206
Quote:
Originally Posted by sparky212 View Post
probobly. if they do it won't be until spring
I would be surprised to see this project go ahead. There are quite a number of approved buildings that, as far as I know, have yet to see a shovel in the ground.
These include:
500-bedroom student housing at First and Oxford - APPROVED
600 units - Medallion rentals in two 25-floor towers at Dundas and Lyle - APPROVED
130 units, 400 bedroom - 12-floor student rentals at Mill and Richmond, Ayerswood development - APPROVED
300 units - two 12-floor Tricar apartment buildings at Hyde Park south of Gainsborough - APPROVED
unknown - at least two more Drewlo buildings at Wonderland and Oxford - APPROVED
500 units - one high-rise and four five-floor buildings by Old Oak at Riverside and Beaverbrook (Sugarcreek Village) - APPROVED
300 units - Tricar King and Ridout (Renaissance) - APPROVED
100 units - retirement building at Wharncliffe and Belmont (in addition to the one under construction now) - APPROVED

Plus there are several buildings under construction, or in the approvals process now, as well as all the rumours we have heard over the last few years. The CMHC estimates that 700-800 high-density units will be built next year, which is a definite reduction over this year. Somehow, I doubt that each of the city's major developers will be building a 300 unit high rise in downtown or Old East this year.
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1519  
Old Posted Jan 21, 2009, 11:37 PM
sparky212's Avatar
sparky212 sparky212 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: London Ont.
Posts: 506
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumLeap View Post
I would be surprised to see this project go ahead. There are quite a number of approved buildings that, as far as I know, have yet to see a shovel in the ground.
These include:
500-bedroom student housing at First and Oxford - APPROVED
600 units - Medallion rentals in two 25-floor towers at Dundas and Lyle - APPROVED
130 units, 400 bedroom - 12-floor student rentals at Mill and Richmond, Ayerswood development - APPROVED
300 units - two 12-floor Tricar apartment buildings at Hyde Park south of Gainsborough - APPROVED
unknown - at least two more Drewlo buildings at Wonderland and Oxford - APPROVED
500 units - one high-rise and four five-floor buildings by Old Oak at Riverside and Beaverbrook (Sugarcreek Village) - APPROVED
300 units - Tricar King and Ridout (Renaissance) - APPROVED
100 units - retirement building at Wharncliffe and Belmont (in addition to the one under construction now) - APPROVED

Plus there are several buildings under construction, or in the approvals process now, as well as all the rumours we have heard over the last few years. The CMHC estimates that 700-800 high-density units will be built next year, which is a definite reduction over this year. Somehow, I doubt that each of the city's major developers will be building a 300 unit high rise in downtown or Old East this year.
in old east they are all out of town developers and only two on your list are downtown or old east
Reply With Quote
     
     
  #1520  
Old Posted Jan 22, 2009, 12:02 AM
manny_santos's Avatar
manny_santos manny_santos is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New Westminster
Posts: 5,141
Quote:
Originally Posted by QuantumLeap View Post
500-bedroom student housing at First and Oxford - APPROVED
The new Fleming Drive?
Reply With Quote
     
     
This discussion thread continues

Use the page links to the lower-right to go to the next page for additional posts
 
 
Reply

Go Back   SkyscraperPage Forum > Regional Sections > Canada > Ontario > London > Projects & Construction Updates
Forum Jump



Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 10:54 PM.

     
SkyscraperPage.com - Privacy Statement - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.