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Old Posted Jan 9, 2009, 5:32 PM
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With all due respect to the city council in Fredericton, their push to become a CMA isn't justified... for a few reasons.

1) The article is right in that it says that the city population is about 50k, and the Fredericton Region is about 85k. However, when you add in the population of Oromocto, you still only get about 93k residents. Just because the provincial government uses the same criteria is not a valid reason for special treatment.

2) The area that constitutes the Fredericton CA is nearly twice as large as that of Moncton and 30% larger than Saint John CMA. By expanding it even further, you could make the argument that they might as well amalgamate the entire province, thus giving us the 7th largest CMA in the country (screw you, Winnipeg!).

3) Unless statscan has changed their rules, a city needs to meet the criteria in a census before it gets the designation. In other words, if Freddy qualified in 2011, then in 2016, they would be counted as a CMA. It took Moncton 3 or more censuses to actually get recognized.

4) I'm not so sure that many people in Oromocto do commute back and forth. The town is pretty self contained, not to mention that by far the largest employer in the area is the base.


So yeah, I don't think they deserve it. Not yet. I hope they do very soon though, and if the growth in the area has been any indication, they'll probably qualify by next census anyway-without having to twist arms at Statscan.
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^Agree completely. I think city council is really jumping the gun on this one, and I wonder where the province's number comes from. If you include all the outlying areas, maybe, but like Myles said, that increases the Fredericton CMA boundaries to be even larger than it already is, and it's already larger than Moncton's and Saint John's and CBRM's if I remember correctly, not to mention Charlottetown's which is the smallest CA of the major Maritime cities.

Fredericton will get there eventually, but wanting to jump the gun just makes the city council look bad, and asking StatsCan to make an exception to their rules just opens up a huge can of worms that I'm sure the agency doesn't want opened (every municipality that's close to CMA trying to expand their boundaries for "bragging rights"). Even including Oromocto and Burton LSD like mentioned earlier in the thread only brings the area up to about 98K as of the last census, still missing the mark for CMA.
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The raft slab poured for the convention centre is the complete footprint of that part of the project, the office building will have its own. They are excavating around the area of the office building now, and I think I noticed some steel piles being driven on a previous drive around, though I could be wrong. Those small columns off the raft slab seemed to have been poured as the areas with rebar in BradMacD's photo were covered with tarp when I was there.
I think steel piles were there to help them drive in the sheet piling for the cofferdam. The slab for the convention centre is about 3 feet thick. They didn't drive any piles down to the bedrock. The office building will be taller so it will be interesting to see what they do with that.

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The Knowledge Park Dr Extension is a bit disappointing too, some say it's faster but they tend to be the ones who drive 70 on the Vanier and 75 on the Knowledge Park Dr. Extension (like my in-laws ).
It is faster on a Saturday afternoon as you don't get caught up in the traffic on Regent St. I imagine it will make much more of a difference when the Costco opens.
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Here's the photos I took while back in Freddy Beach

WTP Completed


New KOC


Legislature finally fully copper-topped


Been done for a while, but I didn't have an up to date photo


Kimble Drive Middle School







Richard J. Currie Centre






you can kinda see the blindwall forming beside the hill in the foreground


rebar up ready for columns



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excavating for the office building, you can plainly see the soft sand associated with the aquifer, the reason they are using raft-slabs.




raft slab for the convention centre






I'm still worried the office building is going to be an eyesore




hope they heated the concrete during the initial curing...


That's all of them.
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City sets development record
Published Saturday January 10th, 2009
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By STEPHEN LLEWELLYN
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Despite a drop in December, Fredericton's overall housing starts were up almost 10 per cent in 2008, says the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.

According to its preliminary data, the annual single-housing starts in the capital were 475, compared to 432 in 2007, an increase of 10 per cent.

There were 223 multiple-unit starts in the capital in 2008. That's up 9.3 per cent from 204 in 2007.

In total, there were 698 housing starts last year, which is up 9.7 per cent from 636 in 2007.

"Usually when the housing market is doing well ... some of the drivers tend to be employment," said Claude Gautreau, Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp.'s senior market analyst for New Brunswick.

"If you look at Fredericton, it is a very diversified, dynamic economy."

Gautreau said the second driving force for housing growth is population migration, and in New Brunswick most of the new population has gone to Fredericton and Moncton in the last three to five years.

"More people means there is a need for more housing," he said.

Gautreau said the apartment vacancy rate in Fredericton in October was 4.3 per cent.

"That would be considered fairly normal," he said.

In 2007, the vacancy rate was 6.5 per cent, he said.

Frank Flanagan, director of development services for the City of Fredericton, said the capital had a record year in 2008 for development.

"In the last few years, of course, apartments, townhouses and condominiums have been becoming more and more popular," he said. "Last year, our subdivision activity was up to a record high."

Housing starts in Saint John were also up in 2008, but they were down in Moncton.

Single and multi-housing starts in Saint John were up 47.3 per cent to 832 for the year, while Moncton's were down four per cent to 1,359.

December housing starts in Fredericton were down 44.4 per cent to 30 units from 54. That includes a 10.5 per cent drop in single-housing starts from 19 to 17. Multi-unit housing starts were down 62.9 per cent to 13 from 34.

But Gautreau said the drop in December isn't a major concern. It could be caused by high growth earlier in the year "front loading" the market or it could be weather related, he said.

"You never want to look at one month and say that is a trend," he said.

Flanagan noted the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. measures housing differently than the city.

The city measures by building permits issued and the corporation measures by actual housing starts, he said. That means some projects that took out building permits in December might not have started in that month, he said.

"That doesn't concern us too much," he said of the drop in December.

Also the corporation only counts multi-unit housing projects of five units or more, said Flanagan.

That misses duplexes and smaller projects with three and four units, he said.

Saint John's total housing starts in December were down 8.3 per cent to 44 units, and Moncton was down 47.2 per cent to 123.

Flanagan said the city was looking forward to a good 2009.

"It is tough to set a record every year so we don't anticipate a record year," he said. "But indicators are still very good."

Gautreau said he's expecting a slight decline in housing starts overall in New Brunswick.

"Nothing significant," he said. "The housing market is cyclical."

Gautreau said there has been strong growth in the New Brunswick housing market for 10 years in a row.

"When you have a lot of growth, eventually you have to have a cooling off period," he said.

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New elementary school for north side possible
Published Saturday January 10th, 2009
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By JENNIFER DUNVILLE
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solution for the aging Alexander Gibson Memorial Elementary School may be on the horizon.

The provincial government is expected to make an announcement on the school's future this month.

The 83-year-old Marysville facility is the No. 1 priority on School District 18's major capital-construction wish list.

A consultant's report said it would cost $7 million to build a replacement.

The provincial government's capital-construction funding announcement in December didn't support the project, though.

Education Minister Kelly Lamrock declined to comment on the project's status Friday.

While Wanda Bauer, District 18's director of finance and administration, doesn't know anything about the upcoming announcement, she hopes its a funding promise.

"We feel we were very fortunate to get $6.4 million for the construction of the new Boiestown-Doaktown school, but Alexander Gibson will most likely remain our district's No. 1 recommendation for funding next year," Bauer said.

"In the meantime, we will continue to do repairs at the school to make sure we meet compliance orders."

Alexander Gibson Memorial School was built in 1926. It has had some upgrades over the years, but Supt. Alex Dingwall said it would cost more than $6 million to bring the school up to current building standards.

Over the past year, the school required $1.4 million in new windows and was recently ordered by the fire marshal to have fire retardant paint applied to the school's indoor panelling.

"We have two major projects on the go in our district, so we sort of understand why we didn't get the funding in the latest round of announcements," Dingwall said.

"It's OK for our students to be in the school right now because we continue to maintain it, but the hope is that someday soon we'll be able to replace the school because we determined in our facilities review that a replacement is needed."

The new school, if approved, will be built on 12.7 hectares (31.7 acres) that has already been purchased at a location between Marysville and South Devon.

It will include the closure of South Devon Elementary School in order to combine the declining student enrolments of both schools.

The district spent the last year consulting with parents and school staff about the replacement of both schools.

A public vote was held during which 64 per cent of parents in Marysville and 61 per cent of parents in South Devon agreed a new school for the two neighbourhoods is the best option.

The combined enrolment of South Devon and Alexander Gibson is about 500.

Enrolment projections for 2011 - the earliest a new school could be built - show a population closer to 420 students.
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With all due respect to the city council in Fredericton, their push to become a CMA isn't justified... for a few reasons.

1) The article is right in that it says that the city population is about 50k, and the Fredericton Region is about 85k. However, when you add in the population of Oromocto, you still only get about 93k residents. Just because the provincial government uses the same criteria is not a valid reason for special treatment.

2) The area that constitutes the Fredericton CA is nearly twice as large as that of Moncton and 30% larger than Saint John CMA. By expanding it even further, you could make the argument that they might as well amalgamate the entire province, thus giving us the 7th largest CMA in the country (screw you, Winnipeg!).

3) Unless statscan has changed their rules, a city needs to meet the criteria in a census before it gets the designation. In other words, if Freddy qualified in 2011, then in 2016, they would be counted as a CMA. It took Moncton 3 or more censuses to actually get recognized.

4) I'm not so sure that many people in Oromocto do commute back and forth. The town is pretty self contained, not to mention that by far the largest employer in the area is the base.


So yeah, I don't think they deserve it. Not yet. I hope they do very soon though, and if the growth in the area has been any indication, they'll probably qualify by next census anyway-without having to twist arms at Statscan.
Very well said Myles, I agree completely. Freddy already has a MASSIVE CA area if they expand anymore it would just be ridiculous. I would almost venture to say its too big already. The fact of the matter is the only population Stats Can sees is the 85,000, they will not look beyond that figure. Monctons CMA is 126,000 and we only got the CMA status in 2006...it had been over 100,000 since the 1986 census! If Freddy keeps going at the same pace they won't be a CMA untill around 2041, possibly longer.
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the only thing I have to say is that Corbett Centre is a major disappointment to me.
I agree, the Corbett Centre is a disappointment. I had high hopes for the place, a Gleaner article a while ago suggested it might be something different from the usual big-box suburban waste the rest of Canada has already done:

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Scott Fash with Terrain Group, the engineering and planning firm developing the buildings, said one of the unique features of the Corbett Centre property is its inward design.

All of the stores have their front entrances facing the central parking lot and the backs or sides of their buildings facing Regent Street and Knowledge Park Drive.

Fash said the shopping centre was designed with high-end building materials and more landscaping within the shopping centre than is typical of a lot of similar centres in Eastern Canada.

"It's come together quite well. It's still early on in the process, but again, all in all, it's coming along well," Fash said.

The mall is encircled by a walking path system designed to promote pedestrian movement around the site and eventually to interconnect with Knowledge Park buildings, which house information-technology firms, and ultimately, the University of New Brunswick campus.

City development services director Frank Flanagan said the developers went to great pains to ensure that landscaping was done both in front and in back of buildings, and they've done a commendable job.

"It really doesn't look like the back end of a shopping centre.

"They've created an esthetically pleasing development," Flanagan said.

("Corbett Centre in talks with more retailers", Daily Gleaner, 21 Oct 08)
Probably the best time to assess the aesthetics of a building is when cold, crappy weather makes things like that all the more important. Like a wintery day like today:



Though making the buildings encircle the lot theoretically mean Regent St and Knowledge Pk Dr have a "streetscape" instead of open carpark, it's still the ass-end of the buildings: nothing's accessible from the street side.



And the long, unbroken buildings don't help: it deliberately makes walking to Corbett Centre from Regent Mall or UNB campus more difficult. It mentions a "walking path system" - but what would've really been effective is designing the place like an actual Downtown: walkable blocks with buildings that properly face the street.





The central parking lot concept is a bad idea - it provides a poor centrepiece for the project (ooh, asphalt), and the massiveness of the lot overpowers whatever effort was made into using "high-end building materials" on the structures, and overwhelms the scale of the one-story storefronts. It would've been better to break up the parking into smaller lots, which would be better "absorbed" by landscaping and blocks of buildings.





Though the materials may be "high-end", the design is poor. Yes, there's bricks and boomtown double-height false fronts, but they're still boxes. The awnings provide no shelter from sun, rain or snow for anyone who would walk between stores. And while all the big signage along the top of the buildings is easy to see across that sea of parking lot, they're too high to be useful if you're on foot and try to window shop.

Suburban, isolated malls like this have already been done across the country, and other cities have already long realised how design like this is bad planning. I snuck into a City of Ottawa planning forum, and they actively identify single-use, stand-alone big-box strips like these as poor design:



Admittedly, car-centric malls are convenient for many, but there are better ways to pull it off than what they did at Corbett Centre. For example, another proposal (from that Ottawa forum) breaks up the parking lot in two, and makes the centrepiece of the mall an actual street, instead of parking:





The parking lots face the /back/ entrance to the stores - that way, you can have proper streetscapes with the front doors



with plain old sidewalks that make "walking path systems" unnecessary



It's sad that what the rest of Canada already recognises as mistakes, passes for "new" in Fredericton. Anyway. We do have some new restaurants now, a new Indian option (pretty good, and faster and more reasonably-priced than Chez Riz), a Montana's, and, yes, an East Side Mario's to call our own



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lol 'Smart City'.

But seriously. As much as I _HATE_ suburban sprawl, and agree that there are much better options than the strip mall approach of the Corbett Centre, it's not as bad as it could be. Two Nations Crossing on the North Side, is a much better example of good land ruined by asphalt and warehouse-stores.

My only real concern is that Freddy Beach is setting itself up to be in the same situation north-west Moncton is in. The city seems content to put all the major traffic draws in the city in one spot. Regent has bad enough traffic as it is, but putting up even more malls without improving flow somehow is only going to lead to longer waits. Just look at the zoo the Trinity, and Wheeler Park power centres, Northwest Centre, Loundsbury Plaza, Mapleton Lifestyle Mall, Coop strip mall etc have created in recent years because of their proximity to each other.

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Because it's university land, this isn't really an option, but I'd really love to see the city capitalize on the Woodlot and create a sort of Urban buffer to slow down the outward growth of the city.
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The idea of clamping down on drive-thrus that is filtering through a Newfoundland and Labrador city council is causing a full-bodied debate to percolate in New Brunswick.

The city council in St. John's, N.L., has ordered a moratorium on new drive-thru applications. It's concerned that long lineups at some coffee shops are causing traffic and safety hazards.

In New Brunswick, the idea of imposing a similar moratorium is getting mixed reactions.

David Kelly, a Fredericton city councillor, has long raised concerns about drive-thrus in the New Brunswick capital city.

In particular, he said he is concerned about the Tim Hortons location at King and Regent streets, which is one of the busiest intersections in Fredericton and just steps from the legislative assembly and the main building housing provincial bureaucrats.

He said he supports the motion of St. John's council and would like to see other municipalities follow suit.

"Yes, I would like to see municipalities all across Atlantic Canada have something implemented and make sure that we're all sort of on the same book here when it comes to dealing with drive-thrus," he said.

"If they're causing problems with [traffic] congestion ... and safety and pedestrian [traffic], then they have to be dealt with and considered."

More pressing matters

In Saint John, Paul Groody, the city's commissioner of municipal operations, believes the city has other, more pressing matters to deal with first.

However, Groody said it probably won't be long before Saint John council will have to make a decision about drive-thrus, too.

Until that time, coffee drinkers like Tanya James will continue to brave the long lineups in Saint John.

James goes through the Tim Hortons drive-thru on McAllister Drive in Saint John almost every day. She said it's more convenient than getting out of her car, especially when the weather is bad.

But she understands the concerns of councillors in St. John's about traffic snarls and safety.

"It is a concern because of traffic. If it was a different drive-thru than this one, sometimes you end up blocking people in traffic and it can cause accidents," she said.

"I've definitely seen accidents or I've seen people be rear-ended at drive-thrus."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2009/01/09/nb-drivethru-debate.html
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Queen's Square votes down move to make neighbourhood a heritage preservation area

Published Monday January 12th, 2009
Properties | City hall plans to take its pitch to individual homeowners
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A vote by property owners for heritage designation in the Queen's Square neighbourhood didn't pass.

But that doesn't mean individual property owners can't apply for the designation.

Coun. Dan Keenan, chairman of the city's development committee, said there was a good turnout for the vote, but a 65 per cent voting majority was needed.

"City council was very impressed that two-thirds of the property owners surveyed took the time to respond," Keenan said.

"While (the properties in question) will not be designated in their entirety, there is still an opportunity for individual property owners (in the Queen's Square neighbourhood) to seek heritage designation."

The designation is part of the Queen's Square Heritage Study released in October.

The study included about 10 blocks in Fredericton's east end - the areas bounded by Regent, George, Church and McLeod streets.

It includes about 250 buildings, which are mainly residential and comprised of single detached houses or small apartment complexes.

Juan Estepa, the city's manager of heritage and cultural affairs, said the failed vote doesn't mean that the opportunity for designation has ended.

He will be contacting property owners in the Queen's Square area who voted in favour of the designation to see if they want to assign their individual property with the heritage title.

"Being designated a heritage property simply means its history, structural integrity and rich architecture will be protected from future development," Estepa said.

"To do any renovations or make changes to the outside of a property that's been designated a heritage building would require special permission from a committee."

The decision to include individual properties under heritage designation will proceed to the legal adoption phase, as required under the Municipal Heritage Preservation Act, once property owners decide if they want to be included or not.

The eligible properties will then become part of the Ste. Anne's Point Heritage Preservation Area.
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Costco development to get hearing Jan. 26
Published Tuesday January 13th, 2009
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Supporters and opponents of a Costco store development at the University of New Brunswick's Corbett Centre on Regent Street will get their chance to square off when a public hearing of objections is held Jan. 26.

City council received the report of the city's planning advisory committee Monday, which recommends approval of the project and the creation of a building lot for the popular bulk grocery and household products store.

The city has to amend its municipal plan to allow UNB to change the proposed Costco lot from a conservation site to a development property.

That's going to attract objections from conservation groups opposed to the retail development on the site and future retail, housing and office projects that would rob the city of more wetland.

The provincial Environment Department would have to sign off on the project with environmental and watershed alteration permits before the development could go ahead.

The city's zoning process is running parallel to that aspect of the development.

Costco has signed a letter of intent with UNB to develop one of its stores here. Its Moncton store has been luring Fredericton shoppers.

In Saint John, the city is waiting for a revised building permit from Costco that, once approved, is the last step before construction begins on the big-box retailer's Saint John store.
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I am really opposed to this development for a few reasons.
1) I hate suburban development
2) Regent is busy enough as it is. With no plans on improving traffic flow, I dont' really support any more major development along it.
3) This is a terrible waste of that land. There are tonnes of places in town that could be suitable, and that wouldn't involve the filling in of marsh land. Hell, put it on Kilarney Road across from Brookside Mall, or out at Two Nations Crossing.
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Published Tuesday January 13th, 2009

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Supporters and opponents of a Costco store development at the University of New Brunswick's Corbett Centre on Regent Street will get their chance to square off when a public hearing of objections is held Jan. 26.

City council received the report of the city's planning advisory committee Monday, which recommends approval of the project and the creation of a building lot for the popular bulk grocery and household products store.

The city has to amend its municipal plan to allow UNB to change the proposed Costco lot from a conservation site to a development property.

That's going to attract objections from conservation groups opposed to the retail development on the site and future retail, housing and office projects that would rob the city of more wetland.

The provincial Environment Department would have to sign off on the project with environmental and watershed alteration permits before the development could go ahead.

The city's zoning process is running parallel to that aspect of the development.

Costco has signed a letter of intent with UNB to develop one of its stores here. Its Moncton store has been luring Fredericton shoppers.

In Saint John, the city is waiting for a revised building permit from Costco that, once approved, is the last step before construction begins on the big-box retailer's Saint John store.

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I am really opposed to this development for a few reasons.
1) I hate suburban development
2) Regent is busy enough as it is. With no plans on improving traffic flow, I dont' really support any more major development along it.
3) This is a terrible waste of that land. There are tonnes of places in town that could be suitable, and that wouldn't involve the filling in of marsh land. Hell, put it on Kilarney Road across from Brookside Mall, or out at Two Nations Crossing.
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Published Tuesday January 13th, 2009
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By HEATHER MCLAUGHLIN

Supporters and opponents of a Costco store development at the University of New Brunswick's Corbett Centre on Regent Street will get their chance to square off when a public hearing of objections is held Jan. 26.

City council received the report of the city's planning advisory committee Monday, which recommends approval of the project and the creation of a building lot for the popular bulk grocery and household products store.

The city has to amend its municipal plan to allow UNB to change the proposed Costco lot from a conservation site to a development property.

That's going to attract objections from conservation groups opposed to the retail development on the site and future retail, housing and office projects that would rob the city of more wetland.

The provincial Environment Department would have to sign off on the project with environmental and watershed alteration permits before the development could go ahead.

The city's zoning process is running parallel to that aspect of the development.

Costco has signed a letter of intent with UNB to develop one of its stores here. Its Moncton store has been luring Fredericton shoppers.

In Saint John, the city is waiting for a revised building permit from Costco that, once approved, is the last step before construction begins on the big-box retailer's Saint John store.

I think I've got deja vu...
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I am really opposed to this development for a few reasons.
1) I hate suburban development
2) Regent is busy enough as it is. With no plans on improving traffic flow, I dont' really support any more major development along it.
3) This is a terrible waste of that land. There are tonnes of places in town that could be suitable, and that wouldn't involve the filling in of marsh land. Hell, put it on Kilarney Road across from Brookside Mall, or out at Two Nations Crossing.
Respectfully, I disagree:
1) I don't think that I would call that suburban. It isn't the downtown core, but it isn't in New Maryland.
2) No matter where you put it, you'll have traffic problems. Costcos cause traffic. Remember that in Fredericton, they only think about road improvements after the fact. At least they now have Knowledge Park Dr. going all the way to Kimble. That will save a lot of congestion for people coming from the east. If you were to put it on the North side you would add to the congestion on the bridges as the out-of-towners would have to come from the TCH.
3) That marsh land isn't environmentally sensitive or significant, however, a Costco would fit in with the rest of the neighbourhood. I can't think of anywhere else where it would have less of a negative impact.

Personally, I can't wait for it to come as I'm tired of having to drive to Moncton for shopping.
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Respectfully, I disagree:
3) That marsh land isn't environmentally sensitive or significant, however, a Costco would fit in with the rest of the neighbourhood. I can't think of anywhere else where it would have less of a negative impact.

Personally, I can't wait for it to come as I'm tired of having to drive to Moncton for shopping.
Apparently that wetland inst naturally occurrig either, I guess it formed in the 80's when Regent Street was upgraded and it just acts as a detenion area for run off. I think they will be replacing it with a detention pond with green space to act as a buffer.

It will be great when Costco opens, I wonder if gas will be cheaper at the Costco Gas bar.
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They have the newest renders of the conference centre project up at the city's web site:





http://www.fredericton.ca/en/citygovernment/2007Aug23ConfCentProject.asp
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