Graffiti, Art or Vandalism? - Page 10

worldwide · #**181** Posted **Dec 24, 2008, 9:00 AM**

i'm not a graffiti artist or anything like that but you guys really have some sand in your vagina's

Millstone · #**182** Posted **Dec 24, 2008, 2:25 PM**

So anyway, graffiti sucks.

adam · #**183** Posted **Dec 24, 2008, 4:43 PM**

Great post!

matt602 · #**184** Posted **Dec 25, 2008, 8:48 PM**

/thread

FairHamilton · #**185** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 1:49 AM**

Does anyone know the bylaw for graffiti? Does anyone know the bylaw number, or a link to the document on myhamilton.ca?

Blitz · #**186** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 2:45 AM**

Other cities in Ontario have responded to the problem also, and have had some success (it's never going to be completely eliminated though).

London has banned sales of markers and spraypaint to anyone under 18.

Windsor has an adopt-a-mailbox program where neighbourhood residents are given supplies in advance so they can wipe off graffiti as soon it appears on their adopted mailbox or utilities box. Residents can also call 311 to report graffiti...if it's on public property it's removed very quickly but if it's on private property, the owner is given a notice of a violation of property standards. For buildings that are repeatedly hit, the city will supply owners with a coating that they can apply to a wall that makes graffiti easy to wash off if it re-appears.

I imagine the problem is more difficult to manage in larger cities like Hamilton though.

flar · #**187** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 3:21 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitz

London has banned sales of markers and spraypaint to anyone under 18.

Wow, doesn't that go against the constitution or something?

adam · #**188** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 3:39 AM**

Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking, in many cases people drank more because it was "forbidden". Banning paint will just increase feelings of infamy amongst taggers and their friends. Tagging will given them even more satisfaction.

flar · #**189** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 4:17 AM**

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Originally Posted by adam

Prohibition didn't stop people from drinking, in many cases people drank more because it was "forbidden". Banning paint will just increase feelings of infamy amongst taggers and their friends. Tagging will given them even more satisfaction.

That's what a lot of people don't get, punitive approaches just feed their alienation. I think the approach Windsor takes is a good one, to minimize the appeal of tagging by removing it quickly.

emge · #**190** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 4:49 AM**

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Originally Posted by flar

Wow, doesn't that go against the constitution or something?

Amazing, isn't it?

When you're 18, congratulations! Now you can go to war for your country... or buy spray paint. It's your choice!

But don't even think of drinking legally until your next birthday!

The extent to which we infantilize and confuse teenagers in our culture continually astounds me... and yet another feel-good law gets enacted that will accomplish absolutely nothing in curbing negative behavior. Not selling spray paint to those under 18 is already policy at most large chain stores anyways.

pgranados · #**191** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 4:57 AM**

Spray Paint is banned for those under 18 in America, incase you guys didn't know. I mean, like alcohol, its not always enforced as it "should". But in california atleast, you need an adult with you if you're under eighteen and want some spray paint.

I don't like the name of this thread because it suggests that someone needs to answer vandalism or art.

Graffiti happens to be something some people find creatively stimulating.
Graffiti also happens to be illegal on public property and is defacement of property.
Graffiti is therefore both Vandalism AND Art.

These are facts, and can't be argued against.

mic67 · #**192** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 8:37 AM**

If tags had to be removed in a timely manner by the building owner, it would not take long for the tagging to stop, the taggers would get lynched rather quickly as those effected by the tagging would find solutions and band together.

Make tagging a capital offense, if you really want it to stop. Not reasonable? Neither is tagging.

So little does so much harm.

I was in Gage today and very little was untagged.

mic67

omro · #**193** Posted **Jan 5, 2009, 9:27 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic67

If tags had to be removed in a timely manner by the building owner, it would not take long for the tagging to stop, the taggers would get lynched rather quickly as those effected by the tagging would find solutions and band together.

Make tagging a capital offense, if you really want it to stop. Not reasonable? Neither is tagging.

So little does so much harm.

I was in Gage today and very little was untagged.

mic67

How easy is it to remove tagging from brickwork? I would have thought it would be better for the city to fund a cleanup crew, that way you've a "one stop shop" of specialised graffiti cleaning products and expertise. The labour force could easily be taggers/young offenders on community service under strict supervision so they do no further damage. Let them see how much less fun it is to clean it!

BTW, I thought both corporal and capital punishment were illegal in Canada. Neither are particularly good deterrents. Though executing them for spraying paint on a wall, might scare the crap out of teenagers enough to make them stop

hellohello · #**194** Posted **Apr 25, 2009, 1:13 AM**

I'm sure most of you saw the news the other night about graffiti. The one that showed a police officer going into an elementary school and discussing with the kids how bad graffiti is and interviewing some of them. THIS ACTUALLY MADE ME LAUGH!!! why? They are just putting the ideas in their heads! Some kids listen and dont give 2 shits about graffiti, but you know what most kids do when they are told not to do something? THEY DO IT ANYWAY. I bet they had a couple interviews with kids that werent aired. You know what they probably said? "Yeah, I know graffiti is vandalism, and I know everyone says it wrong, but it's kinda cool". It's only natural. Kids are rebellious. So by giving graffiti so much hype and trying to prevent it before happens......bam. Reverse effect. Now you gave them the idea! Instead of them finding out about graffiti a little later in life they got them started nice and early. AND YOU CAN'T DENY IM RIGHT. WHY? Because they just caught two 11 year olds and a 12 year old doing what?........oh ya that thing called graffiti.

hating started in 5..4...3..2...

IronWarrior · #**195** Posted **Apr 25, 2009, 1:38 AM**

I seen that on CH News also, I thought the police would have more important issues to tackle in this city then 'graffiti' LOL! I'm sure people are still going to go downtown... sure it dos'nt look nice at times, but its a minor problem really, its not news worthy!

SteelTown · #**196** Posted **Aug 6, 2009, 8:31 PM**

Convicted graffiti vandal Keenur arrested again

Ted Brellisford
The Hamilton Spectator
August 06, 2009
http://www.thespec.com/News/BreakingNews/article/613538

One of Hamilton’s most prolific graffiti taggers is under arrest for the second time in little over a year.

The 19-year-old man, convicted last year of spraying his “Keenur” tag at at least 63 locations from Stoney Creek to Dundas, was released on probation after serving 72 days in jail.

He was wanted on a warrant for failing to comply with terms of his probation when police caught up with him at a city men’s shelter Wednesday.

Sergeant Marty Schulenberg said today the tagger faces a new charge of breaching probation because he was allegedly carrying spray-paint nozzles when arrested. Police will oppose bail, hoping to keep him off the street pending trial.

emge · #**197** Posted **Aug 7, 2009, 2:14 AM**

Keenur's real name is Michael Grant, so says the radio.
http://www.900chml.com/Channels/Reg/...spx?ID=1122966

SteelTown · #**198** Posted **Aug 7, 2009, 2:40 AM**

The guy obviously has issues, especially if he's living in a shelter when he's 19.

mic67 · #**199** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 9:21 PM**

Graffiti: Comments from a Business owner

http://www.thespec.com/videogallery/619694

Welcome to the Getto

SteelTown · #**200** Posted **Aug 17, 2009, 11:06 PM**

HA that's the place I get fries in a blue moon.

I do agree we should have people like Keenur cleaning up their own tags and make them pay for the expense.