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Old Posted Dec 24, 2008, 10:11 PM
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That pic of the old orange Seabus brings back memories! NDP colours!
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Old Posted Dec 24, 2008, 10:27 PM
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Nice pic of the Skytrain in the snow!
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 25, 2008, 6:34 PM
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So that mysterious MKII red/blue SkyTrain...

Turns out, BCRTC has put a large red ribbon around a SkyTrain car, with a bow on the end, to wish commuters Happy Holidays. I've never seen this before so it must be a new thing. Unfortunately, not new BC Liberal livery
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2008, 8:45 PM
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I am surprised there is no discussion on here about the amazingly horrible transit on Christmas Eve. the entire skytrain system wasn't working for hours and the bus depot in Metrotown was going crazy with stranded travelers trying to pile into the limited amount of buses that were actually making it around.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 26, 2008, 10:00 PM
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I am surprised there is no discussion on here about the amazingly horrible transit on Christmas Eve. the entire skytrain system wasn't working for hours and the bus depot in Metrotown was going crazy with stranded travelers trying to pile into the limited amount of buses that were actually making it around.
I usually avoid transit on xmas eve, xmas day, and boxing day. =P

Edit: Wait no I think the breakdown was because of a tree falling onto the guideway between 29th and Nanaimo.

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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 12:45 AM
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I am surprised there is no discussion on here about the amazingly horrible transit on Christmas Eve. the entire skytrain system wasn't working for hours and the bus depot in Metrotown was going crazy with stranded travelers trying to pile into the limited amount of buses that were actually making it around.
SkyTrain not running has nothing to do with Christmas Eve and everything to do with a breakdown - not sure of the cause, probably weather. Good luck finding drivers to run replacement buses on a holiday at this time of year.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 2:09 AM
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Oh i knew of the tree, but just saying it was terrible if you were using transit Christmas Eve.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 2:29 AM
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i was in london when a tree fell on the line on the piccadilly - it was pretty horrible being stuck in the car that was jam packed not moving - but it got cleared pretty fast at least
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 4:38 AM
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Well, according to my knowledge, a total of three trees have fallen onto the SkyTrain tracks near that stretch around 29th and Nanaimo. Anybody else think, once the winter is gone, it's time to cut those down?
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 4:46 AM
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If you read the BC parkway study one of the biggest complaints were the trees along that area. They limit the visibility in the area and make some pedestrians and bicyclists uncomfortable passing thru the area. The study recommended getting rid of them and replacing them with short up kept shrubs. So I think it's safe to say with the addition of this weeks events that those trees will be disappearing when the parkway project starts if not sooner.
     
     
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I heard a bus driver telling passengers today how she was disgusted by other bus drivers lazying it out at the bus depot's lounge and not even bothering trying to drive in the snow.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 5:22 AM
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^^ I would rather they didn't attempt it than to have the bus out of service for weeks with a huge repair bill. I haven't even tried to take my car out of the garage since it first started snowing....
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 5:24 AM
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Buses are actually very good in the snow, much better and more safe than the average car.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 5:32 AM
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I don't blame that some bus drivers reluctant to attempt drive during heaviest of today's snow. I believe today there're more number of buses become stuck (just broadway had at least half dozens) than last few days
     
     
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Buses are actually very good in the snow, much better and more safe than the average car.
They are safer due to their weight and height, but that's where it pretty much ends. The only buses that should attempt to drive in this snow is the old New Flyer D40s and the older GM's. Otherwise, all the low floor buses have an issue of becoming a plow when the turn into a bus stop. Not to mention that the articulated ones are RWD and they essentially jackknife when it becomes slippery. The trolleys are another story all together, where their version of ABS/traction control is just applying the brakes when wheel slip is detected (and therefore causing the wheels to lock up every seconds even when accelerating).

When it snowed like crazy one day last December, I passed a bunch of stuck buses on my way to metrotown...and I had the original all season tires that came with the car in 02. Not to mention the roads iced over when I came back later that night. So if a car can't go down the same route, it is very unlikely that a bus can...especially the newer ones. I can only imagine what would happen if one bus got to the icy part and tried to brake...
     
     
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And the weight doesn't always help either. I know I've ridden on a D40LF in Calgary that was fully loaded and slid halfway through an intersection. We had only been going 60 before the intersection.
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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 8:34 AM
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I found some interesting information part of the "SkyTrain Ultimate Capacity" document, which is available under the Expo Line Upgrade Strategy RFP.

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Headway
The current system can and does on occasion dispatch a series trains from Waterfront station an average of 77 seconds apart in the aftermath of a delay. This provides for some schedule recovery, although it would not be a practical design headway for regular reliable service. There are, however, further refinements in ATC algorithms which could be implemented, at some effort and cost, which could likely reduce the minimum (delay recovery) headway further, and provide additional margin for short scheduled headways. It must be recognized, however, that longer trains (6-car Mark I’s, 4-car Mark II’s, or the potential 5-car Mark II) take longer to clear a given section of track, and thus will further limit headway.

Sustaining a more frequent service reliably would require further resources in terms of staffing, technical reliability improvements, operating system enhancements, and potential track changes. A 75-second headway implies the operation of up to 80 trains, requiring upgrades to the ATC system to enable operating staff to manage such an operation effectively.


It would become more important to have all stations attended by staff during peak hours, to provide prompt response to any technical train problem or critical passenger issue; this would require an increase in staffing level and budget. Current SkyTrain budget allows for an average of 38 SkyTrain Attendants (STA’s) on shift during revenue service hours, to oversee 33 stations and upwards of 55 trains. However, coffee breaks necessarily extend into peak service hours (some staff start at 05:00, while peak headways are maintained until after 09:00), resulting in as few as 20 STA’s actively on duty. Technical problems or passenger incidents which occur at unattended stations can result in several minutes of additional delay; this will have a rapidly increasing adverse impact as train frequency increases
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Mark II

With no commitment on the feasibility or economic viability of a 5-car Mark II train, one scenario is presented assuming 4-car Mark II trains (two 2-car consists), as currently handled on the system. The new Mark II cars currently being manufactured have a different interior configuration designed for improved passenger circulation, which may yield a slightly higher average passenger capacity. However, for this analysis a nominal capacity of 130 passengers per car will be used for all Mark II types.
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Peak Capacity

Thus, 25,000 passengers per hour would be unachievable with an all-Mark I fleet (in any event, SkyTrain does not have enough Mark I cars to achieve the higher range), but is within range of a 4-car Mark II fleet, albeit under exceptional operating demands. (A mixed Mark I and Mark II fleet would be proportionately in between.)

The 5-car Mark II option (subject to technical practicability) should be able to reach 25,000 with some margin, and potentially achieve a rate of 30,000 per hour, perhaps for short durations.
This document is dated back in 2007 btw.

Edit: So far, all the documents I've read have shown a huge amount of people between Waterfront Station and Broadway/Commercial Drive Station... with today reaching a capacity of over 12000 pphd. Come the Millennium Line extension reaching Broadway-City Hall Station, I think some people will be choosing to enter downtown via Canada Line, which will hopefully slightly lower the capacity btwn downtown and Broadway.

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Conclusions
4. Conclusions
The principal thought is that the best strategy is one that maximizes the number of options that are kept available in an uncertain future. Translated to TransLink’s SkyTrain fleet order strategy, this means that the best strategy will be the one that allows in the future the greatest flexibility to choose between maximum and minimum capacity operations. Following that rationale, it is recommended that:
  1. Ideally, the ordering of 2-Mk-II units be halted after the currently approved first option for seven additional 2-Mk-II units is exercised.
  2. 3-Mk-II units be ordered as soon as possible. The reason for this is that unless 3-Mk-II units are ordered, maximum capacity operations with 5-car trains would result in unacceptably high spare rates of 2-car units. A Broadway extension of the Millennium Line would allow more 2-car units to be ordered, but no decision should be taken until this extension is assured.

Should TransLink exercise the second option for an additional 12 2-car Mark II units, the Mark II fleet will total 66 2-Mk-II units. This will require 4-car Mark II trains to operate on an “interim” basis in place of some 5-car trains, similar to the 2014 “3-car Mix” scenario. However, the full fleet of 2- car Mark II units, would be utilized into the future, with no “lost” capacity if the MaxCap fast scenario is followed as it requires 73 2-car Mark II units. Therefore exercising the second option would change the ideal sequence for reaching maximum capacity, but is compatible with reaching maximum capacity. Exercising the second option should be seen as a convenient way to buy capacity (and time) to ensure adequate capacity can be provided while 3-car units are designed, procured, and infrastructure modified to accommodate them.

Assuming the second option is exercised, the following train assignment would be an obvious

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                                 EXPO           MILLENNIUM
4-Car MKI                        0                8
6-Car MKI                        2                15
2-Car MKII                       0                0
4-Car MKII                       30               0
Total Fleet Used, AM Peak: 134 MK I (11% Spare) and 120 MK II (10% Spare)

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Old Posted Dec 27, 2008, 9:07 AM
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The new Mark II cars currently being manufactured have a different interior configuration designed for improved passenger circulation, which may yield a slightly higher average passenger capacity.
That's really good to hear. The current configuration, as well as the Rotem Canada Line configuration, make no sense at all. Not to mention that both really lack bars.
     
     
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Current SkyTrain budget allows for an average of 38 SkyTrain Attendants (STA’s) on shift during revenue service hours, to oversee 33 stations and upwards of 55 trains. However, coffee breaks necessarily extend into peak service hours (some staff start at 05:00, while peak headways are maintained until after 09:00), resulting in as few as 20 STA’s actively on duty.
In other words half the attendants spend most of their time hanging out in a local Starbucks as opposed to being at work during peak hours. I have witnessed groups as large as six having a lovely chat in the place I frequent that is 10 minutes away from the local sky train station. Which brings us to 3 questions I have:

a) What if anything are these guys contributing to the working of the automated sky train system given that the system worked just fine during the last transit strike/lockout without them? And how are they a limiting factor on the frequency of trains?

b) Why doesn't Translink supply the attendants with the standard issue Coffee Thermos so they can focus on whatever they are doing (see a) instead of going through the hardship of walking to a distant coffee shop?

c) When is the multi-year, multi-million $$$ Standard Coffee Thermos Study going to be launched?
     
     
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^ off the top of my head

a) asking questions from passengers, checking the guideway when the alarm sounds, driving the trains when its snowing or when something breaks down

b) if they want to discourage trips to starbucks, TransLink would also have to provide a constant supply of coffee, creams, place to make the coffee, etc in addition to thermos
     
     
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