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Those are light rail drawings.

Looking at those, maybe it's possible to put the Burquitlam station entrance at one end of the platform, but in the middle of the street, making the mezzanine level unnecessary.
     
     
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yes but they show how it will work at lougheed town centre...

they will have to demolish a few buildings for the elevated track
     
     
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Well they wont be demolishing anything historical or inspiring, just old box stores, so that is ok with me, gives an excuse to build better retail structures integrated with the train.
     
     
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theres no box stores there

just an old garage and a white spot
     
     
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Sorry, i should have been more clear, i didn't mean big box stores, but stores that are located in simple box looking buildings, hehe. Not sure if there is a slang term for such non desrcript commercial structures.
     
     
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Looking at those, maybe it's possible to put the Burquitlam station entrance at one end of the platform, but in the middle of the street, making the mezzanine level unnecessary.
If the tunnel portal is at Burquitlam, they could have a trenched station
with the station house at grade in the median. A centre platform would work if they have 2 bores.
     
     
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Sorry, i should have been more clear, i didn't mean big box stores, but stores that are located in simple box looking buildings, hehe. Not sure if there is a slang term for such non desrcript commercial structures.
i know i am just ragging on ya

its only going to improve north road
     
     
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I also feel that seeing a new elevated guide-way tower over the current one at North Road and Lougheed will be a cool sight. It will add an even stronger asian feeling in what is already little Korea (Anyone who has been to Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc... knows that they love to build elevated structures criss crossing one and other). In East Asia they know that sometimes for good transportation you have to put functionality and necessity over aesthetics. I am one of the few whom actually like the look of elevated guide-ways (if kept clean and integrated into the surrounding area properly) for they create a true urban vibe (the highway one in Seattle is good example on how NOT to build an elevated viaduct). Hence why i love the small area downtown between the stadiums and spectrum: Two highway viaducts, the skytrain viaduct and station, ground level plazas around the base of the stadiums, a large surface road, commercial store fronts (Costco) residential towers and the surfaces are kept clean of graffiti. Such a great urban feel there! It is the only spot that truly feels like an Asian mega city. And it works too! Vehicle, pedestrian and train traffic all flow fairly well in that one small corner of Vancouver. I personally like the look of #3 road in Richmond and feel it will look great when more towers (hopefully some re office) are built along it.
Just my personal opinion, not saying it is right or wrong.
     
     
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If the tunnel portal is at Burquitlam, they could have a trenched station
with the station house at grade in the median. A centre platform would work if they have 2 bores.
It's underground there? I figured they'd keep it above grade as long as possible to avoid tunnelling.
     
     
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its suppossed to start underground at burquitlam plaza area at como lake

burquitlam station will be above ground and than into the tunnel
     
     
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Will there be any underground stations between Burquitlam and Port Moody?
     
     
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No. The Evergreen Line service/ridership study posted about a week ago shows the station locations. Briefly:

- Lougheed
- Burquitlam
- Queens
- Port Moody WCE Stn
- Ioco Road
- Coquitlam WCE Stn
- Lincoln Rd (Coquitlam Centre)
- David Lam Campus/Guildford

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The funny thing is the gap between Burquitlam and Lougheed is quite extensive, there really should be another station between the two, especially with the new tower development in the area. Same with the distance between Ioco Road and the WCE station (to a lesser degree). I am glad there is one at Ioco Road, that small area is quite dense now with residential towers.
     
     
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yeah somewhere in between would be good
     
     
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I also feel that seeing a new elevated guide-way tower over the current one at North Road and Lougheed will be a cool sight. It will add an even stronger asian feeling in what is already little Korea (Anyone who has been to Japan, Korea, Taiwan etc... knows that they love to build elevated structures criss crossing one and other). In East Asia they know that sometimes for good transportation you have to put functionality and necessity over aesthetics. I am one of the few whom actually like the look of elevated guide-ways (if kept clean and integrated into the surrounding area properly) for they create a true urban vibe (the highway one in Seattle is good example on how NOT to build an elevated viaduct). Hence why i love the small area downtown between the stadiums and spectrum: Two highway viaducts, the skytrain viaduct and station, ground level plazas around the base of the stadiums, a large surface road, commercial store fronts (Costco) residential towers and the surfaces are kept clean of graffiti. Such a great urban feel there! It is the only spot that truly feels like an Asian mega city. And it works too! Vehicle, pedestrian and train traffic all flow fairly well in that one small corner of Vancouver. I personally like the look of #3 road in Richmond and feel it will look great when more towers (hopefully some re office) are built along it.
Just my personal opinion, not saying it is right or wrong.
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I don't know if it's the best decision to have criss-crossing overhead guideways. If it's obvious and stands out, it's not doing its job well.
A lot of the construction in Japan was done in "post-war haste" Osaka and Tokyo were practically bombed to the ground, and the whole country pulled together in the following years to create an economic giant. This applies to much of the rail infrastructure too. Not many protested it because the country was in recovery mode.

In Japan, money is practically free as well. Borrowing money is super cheap, and interest earned on savings is practically 0%. So large projects are super cheap. Of course, this means that there were lots of make-work projects, like the fact that almost every river in Japan is dammed and there are concrete tsunami water breaks around beaches that will likely never get anything close to tsunami-like conditions.

Much of this was overkill, but it kept Japan's unemployment at the lowest in the world, around 5%. Great for the economy, but arguably not so great for ecology.

I think if above-ground transit can be seamlessly integrated into the landscape it's a much better solution. Some of the best examples of this (in my opinion) are 29th Ave Station, Nanaimo station, Stadium station (the way it hides the tunnel portal), Main St. Science World. Metrotown Station, etc.

A bad example is Brentwood station (though it arguably makes a statement unto itself and architecturally is my favorite station). It really needs some towers where the dealership is and on the mall corner to really shine.

Production Way is being nicely integrated, Gilmore has the potential, Rupert is built upon a hill, hiding its bulk, Lougheed stands out, but its form is light and airy. Sapperton isn't bad. where the line crossed Lougheed is ugly, as well as near the kensington overpass.

I also agree with od, that Richmond's structures are much better than the M-Line (in general) as they're lower to the ground and more human in scale.
     
     
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Will there be any underground stations between Burquitlam and Port Moody?
I think the bored tunnels will be way too deep to warrant the cost of a tunnel - plus the area above is single family housing on curvey hillside streets as far as I know.
     
     
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The biggest issue in the area is not impeding traffic at the Clarke Road / Como Lake Road intersection.
     
     
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http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id31878

Province pushes federal government for Evergreen Line funding

RICHARD GILBERT
staff writer

The Evergreen Line rapid transit expansion project in Metro Vancouver might get the fast track after some high-level political lobbying.

Kevin Falcon, B.C.’s minister of transportation and infrastructure asked the federal government to provide financial support and remove administrative barriers, so the proposed project can begin construction by next summer.

The federal minister of transportation and infrastructure, John Baird, was in Vancouver to speak with his provincial counterparts in western Canada about stimulating the economy through public-sector investment in key construction projects. One goal was to identify priority projects that could be accelerated to get shovels in the ground in time for the next couple of construction seasons.

“I did mention the Evergreen Line and pushed to get them to agree to raising their contribution to match the province’s,” Falcon said.

“I feel confident they will approve this in the coming weeks. The bottom line message to the feds was ‘Get us the dollars quickly and we’ll deliver the program.’”

The $1.4 billion project will extend SkyTrain from Lougheed Town Centre in Burnaby to Coquitlam Town Centre via Port Moody.

Through its recent Transit Plan, the B.C. government has committed to investing $410 million in the project, and TransLink has committed $400 million to date.

Construction on the 11-kilometre line is already scheduled to start in 2010, with the line completed and operating by the end of 2014.

“The ministers raised policy roadblocks, (that) the feds imposed, that slow down the ability of the provinces to accelerate projects,” said Falcon.

“We also encouraged the feds to sign off on projects ASAP (as soon as possible), so we don’t miss a construction season.”

In the meeting, provincial ministers from B.C., Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba discussed how to accelerate infrastructure projects by removing some of the administrative hurdles, which get in the way of project approval.

“Saskatchewan has a significant inventory of shovel-ready projects that represent both the provincial and national interest,” said Saskatchewan Highways and Infrastructure Minister Wayne Elhard.

“Fast-tracking these projects will not only build a better Saskatchewan and maintain our record growth, but they will also have a stimulating effect on the broader Canadian economy.”

Elhard said he recommended that the federal government accelerate the twinning of highway 11 between Prince Albert and Saskatoon.

He also spoke in favour of northern road infrastructure and emphasized the urgent need for water/wastewater treatment systems for municipalities.

In addition to discussing infrastructure development in western Canada, the meeting also kicked off a series of cross-country discussions with provincial, territorial and municipal representatives to prepare for a First Ministers meeting on Jan. 16, 2009.

The minority Conservative government is facing a highly anticipated test of confidence when it tables its budget on Jan. 27.

This is the day after Parliament resumes following its prorogation (suspension) earlier this month.

If the opposition parties vote against the budget, as they threatened to do after the November fiscal update, the country could find itself facing another general election or see the Conservatives replaced by a coalition government.

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Next summer seems like a really tight deadline to start by. They still need to get funding in place, decide on a P3 model (since its pretty clear they're going to have a $200m shortfall), complete a conceptual design, issue an RFQ, evaluate the RFQ and issue RFP, give the various companies at least a couple months to get a preliminary design done, a bit more time to get all the financial side of things completed and submitted, pick a prefered proponent and negotiate a final contract with said proponent.

The only thing I can really see them doing is "pre-construction" work, such as relocating major utilities, expropriating and demolishing properties that will obviously need to be used (i.e. those at the tight curve just before Lougheed Station), and maybe doing some preliminary grading and pre-loading of some sections (i.e. the section in Port Moody along the rail corridor).

The danger is, the more you start doing, the less flexibility you give to engineering companies to come up with innovative designs.

Also, IIRC, the precast yard for the Millenium Line was located somewhere in Port Moody. Where exactly is this site, and could it be used again?
     
     
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