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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 7:56 PM
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The front has the pillars and both it and the sides have the big concrete bricks that make it look like a building you'd find in D.C. The back of it is just a slab of old bricks that are turning a yellowish-green color.

I think they should make it well rounded and have the back look just like the rest of the building, especially if they're going to have a space between it and the new courthouse. I'm sure they'll have a little area with benches and whatnot between the two buildings.
Metro, I see your point.

Although it is not as bad as what I think of the First Security building. The only nice thing about that building are the two street sides. The East and North sides of the building are ugly and look like crap. Back in the day the only thing that was important was the fronts of the buildings and not the rest. Why is that, does anyone know?

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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 8:10 PM
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GSA is pulling a fast one on SLC with this design. They can design a building that fits into the public realm and meets their security design criteria. They have done it all over the country since 2001. They can also fit it on the block without demolishing the shubrick or relocating Oddfellows. I personally think this project is along the same track as the Mecham project. Only the developer is GSA instead of an individual. 400 South already has a tough go due to the road being a state road and UDOT having no interest in modifying the number of lanes. This project makes 400 South so much worse for pedestrians. If the wall is truely for security, why are there stairs and public access on the W Temple and Market Street frontages, the building seems just as close to the street. Give the design of 400 South, a large truck parked on the street at 400 South is much more noticeable and suspicious than one on W Temple or Market Street, where they would not block traffic. GSA also needs to take into account that a Traxx station is likely at that intersection when the U line is extended to Central Station.

GSA is usually quick getting things through the loops. Design wise, the Federal Courthouse in Richmond, VA turned out quite nice. The renderings themselves had people nodding their heads.

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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 8:11 PM
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I'm not one who must have height. I think there can be some awesome mid-rise buildings.

This isn't one of them.

It's bland, sterile and cold...so I guess it works as a courthouse.

Here are some designs I would take over what we're getting...



San Diego:



LA:



Of course, it isn't terrible and I'll take, but still, I think it could've looked a ton better.

I mean, it could be worse, we could get stuck with what they're getting in Orlando:

     
     
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 8:52 PM
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Oh man what did Orlando do to deserve that atrocity??
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 8:57 PM
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Oh man what did Orlando do to deserve that atrocity??
They probably complained about the first design they were shown. This is the Federal Government. - If at first you don't like the design, make it worse to punish those that complained the first time. -
     
     
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I was looking at the website for the Bridges at Citifront and it looks like these are all rentals. Weren't these going to be owner occupied condos at some point?
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 9:18 PM
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The above examples prove my point. Look at the San Diego courthouse. It fits in with the urban fabric and meets their anti terrorism requirements. Even Orlando's which is set back pretty far from the street even manages to address the street and does little harm to the public realm. Seems like that could be done here. I get the grade changes and everything, but for the SLC courthouse they sure as hell shortchanged us.

GSA goes through one giant loop: they don't need to comply with local regulations, so they give lip service to public process and do what they can. Maybe if our local officials could be a little more firm, we could get something that is beneficial instead of a trumped up building normally found in a suburban business park.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 11:32 PM
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Utah supplants Nevada as fastest growing state

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WASHINGTON » Utah is the nation's fastest growing state, knocking Nevada from its usual top spot.

Utah's population climbed by 2.5 percent from July 2007 to July 2008, according to new population estimates from the Census Bureau. Arizona is the second-fastest growing state, followed by Texas, North Carolina and Colorado.

Nevada, last year's fastest-growing state, fell to eighth. Nevada had been among the four fastest-growing states each of the last 23 years.

Only two states -- Michigan and Rhode Island -- lost population from 2007 to 2008.

California remained the most populous state, followed by Texas, New York, Florida and Illinois.




By Haya El Nasser, USA TODAY

Analysis: Census data shows 8 states could lose House seats


usatoday.net by Brian Snyder, Reuters

Eight states — most in the Northeast and Midwest — would lose seats in Congress in 2010, based on an analysis of Census estimates of 2008 state populations released today.
Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, New York, Ohio, and Pennsylvania each would lose a seat, according to an analysis by Election Data Services, Inc.

Five states — Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Nevada, and Utah — would each gain one seat. Texas would be the big winner, adding three seats.


CENSUS: Data shows Utah is now the fastest growing state

The 435 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives are reallocated every 10 years after the decennial Census counts state populations. The analysis uses annual estimates to project changes in 2010.

"Oregon is likely to gain a seat but it's right on the cusp," says Kim Brace, president of Election Data Services. "About 13 states are right there on the cusp battling for the last six seats."

The recent data show big fluctuations in migration trends in the past year. Because of that, it's becoming more difficult to predict what state populations will be in 2010.

"We're seeing some flux and shifts from what we've seen before in these new Census numbers," Brace says. "That will definitely impact the apportionment process."

Utah was the fastest growing state in the population estimates for July 1, gaining 2.5% since July 1, 2007, to reach 2.7 million. Arizona, perennially one of the USA's fastest growing states, held the No. 2 spot, gaining 2.3% between 2007 and 2008, but its rate of increase fell from 2.8% in 2006-2007. Texas, North Carolina and Colorado rounded out the top five, each increasing 2%.

Nevada, one of the states hardest hit by the housing and foreclosure crisis, has seen its growth rate almost cut in half in the past two years. The state grew by 1.8% between 2007 and 2008, down from 3.5% two years earlier. Nevada was the nation's fastest growing state from 2006 to 2007, increasing 2.9%, but ranked No. 8 in the most recent 12-month period. Nevada had been among the four fastest-growing states each of the last 23 years.

Texas was the biggest numerical gainer, adding 484,000 between 2007 and 2008. California (379,000), North Carolina (181,000), Georgia (162,000) and Arizona (147,000) were the other biggest net gainers.

Michigan and Rhode Island, where unemployment is among the nation's highest, were the only states to lose population. Michigan had a net loss of 46,000 people (0.5%) and Rhode Island lost 2,000 (0.2%).

California remained the most populous state (36.8 million), followed by Texas (24.3 million), New York (19.5 million), Florida (18.3 million) and Illinois (12.9 million).

In another reflection of the housing crisis, more people left Florida than moved there from 2007 to 2008. The Sunshine State registered a net outmigration of 9,286.

"This, along with Nevada's dive in growth rank from first to eighth, underscores the depth of the housing crunch's impact on states that grew steadily over the last several decades," says William Frey, demographer at the Brookings Institution. "The bursting bubble has turned dependable growth to shocking standstills."
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This year the leader was Utah, with a 2008 population of 2.6 million and a year-over-year increase of 2.53% from 2007. Following Utah were Arizona and Texas, with increases of 2.31% and 2%, respectively.

The top two have starkly different reasons for their rankings atop the chart. For Utah, the population increase can be attributed to a baby boom: 40,000 were born there over the past year. With an increase of about 60,000 people in the area, that means in-migration--or people moving into the state from somewhere else--accounts for a small fraction of the overall population boost.

Birth Control anyone?
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2008, 4:24 AM
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This year the leader was Utah, with a 2008 population of 2.6 million and a year-over-year increase of 2.53% from 2007. Following Utah were Arizona and Texas, with increases of 2.31% and 2%, respectively.

The top two have starkly different reasons for their rankings atop the chart. For Utah, the population increase can be attributed to a baby boom: 40,000 were born there over the past year. With an increase of about 60,000 people in the area, that means in-migration--or people moving into the state from somewhere else--accounts for a small fraction of the overall population boost.

Birth Control anyone?
BLM: Whoa!!! You're drawing conclusions from the data like a Republican--right data, wrong conclusions. The net population growth in Utah between 07 and 08 is right around 70K, not 60K. So if their were 40K due to new births, then 30K has to be due to in-migration, which accounts for 43% of the growth, right?

Wrong! My guess is that someone died in Utah last year. I'm fairly sure some people did, possibly around 25K (I'm guessing), which means births attributed around 15K of the 70K population growth, or about 14% of the growth. I guess the rest has to be attributed to in-migration, or possibly cloning at one of the universities, which have a Nobel prize winner and other capable researchers, something Colorado could not relate to, although Colorado schools have given us new fabrics for cyclists to wear and other impressive achievements.

Utah could take up strict birth restriction measures, like China (Anything is possible in that state legislature), but I don't think it would have the effect you seek.
     
     
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Actually, that data is specifically reported by the Census bureau.

For Utah:
Births=56,991
Deaths=13,779
Natural increase=43,212
Migration=24,428 (domestic and international)

Net increase=67,499
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 23, 2008, 7:05 AM
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Actually, that data is specifically reported by the Census bureau.

For Utah:
Births=56,991
Deaths=13,779
Natural increase=43,212
Migration=24,428 (domestic and international)

Net increase=67,499

Add one more to the births. Just waiting for my son to be born. Any day now.

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great news projects! Good luck! Baby boys are awesome!
     
     
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A big congrat's Projects, Here's a followup article on your family contribution.

Utah's population grew fastest in nation

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705272335,00.html

Utah's population grew faster than any other state last year, the Census Bureau said Monday.

It estimated that Utah's population grew by 2.5 percent between July 1, 2007, and July 1, 2008, or by 67,499 people. Meanwhile, the nation's population grew only by an estimated 0.9 percent — or a rate slightly more than one-third as fast as in Utah...

... The Utah Population Estimates Committee last month figured Utah's population grew by 58,225 people in the last year to a population of 2.76 million, up 2.2 percent from the previous year. The Census Bureau on Monday said it figured Utah's population grew by 67,449 people in that year to a total of 2.74 million, an increase of 2.5 percent.


A new growth star is born: Utah
- Oh, baby » Births push Beehive State past Nevada into No. 1 spot.


http://www.sltrib.com/ci_11289438

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Does this mean Sandy will get another Home Depot and/or Cafe Rio?

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Congrats Projects. That is great to hear.
     
     
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Add one more to the births. Just waiting for my son to be born. Any day now.

56,992.
Congradulations!!! First one?

I myself am looking forward to having a family of my own... ...first I need to find the other half, called a wife.
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Add one more to the births. Just waiting for my son to be born. Any day now.

56,992.
Congrats! Maybe he will be your family's X-mas present! Is he your first child? Enjoy him, trust me they grow up fast! My two boys are almost 6 & 4 now, my God i'm getting old.

any hooo CONGRATS!
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Congrats Projects, that is very exciting. I am very happy for you.


A bit of news for myself as well. I was officially offered a City Planner position today, I start January 5th.
     
     
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