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Old Posted Dec 12, 2008, 8:33 PM
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Canadians vulnerable if economy worsens

December 12, 2008
Julian Beltrame
The Canadian Press
OTTAWA (Dec 12, 2008)

A significant number of Canadians are at risk of defaulting on mortgages and other loans if the global financial crisis deteriorates and triggers a deeper recession, the Bank of Canada warns.

In a sobering assessment of the financial crisis, the central bank concludes that significant risks remain for both the global economy and Canada if credit conditions don't begin to improve.

"With household balance sheets under pressure from weak equity markets, softening house prices, slowing income growth and record-high debt-to-income ratios, a severe economic downturn could result in a substantial increase in default rates on household debt," the bank said in its December financial systems review released yesterday.

The Bank of Canada says the number of "vulnerable households" -- the 3 per cent with a debt-to-income ratio above 40 per cent -- could double by the end of next year under this pessimistic scenario.

That would mean tens of thousands of households could face crushing debt as Canadians lose jobs and family incomes drop to the point where they can't pay their bills.

The central bank notes this is a worst-case scenario. The "most likely outcome" is for global markets and credit conditions in Canada to gradually improve, it states.

This is partly because central banks and governments around the world have come up with extraordinary measures such as cash injections, asset swaps and credit guarantees to backstop financial institutions to pump additional billions of dollars of credit into the economy.

But the Canadian central bank's top officials also warn that there is "a significant risk of mutually reinforcing weakness in the financial sector and in the real economy."

That's the kind of negative feedback that felled the U.S. economy, noted Douglas Porter, deputy chief economist with BMO Capital Markets. "Given the fact we're looking at the recession in the teeth, some of the worst-case scenarios have to be studied a little more closely," he said."It looks like we're going to get as close to the bank's worst-case scenario than anyone would have imagined possible as recently as three months ago."

After resisting the call for months, the Bank of Canada declared the economy in recession Wednesday when it slashed its trendsetting interest rate to the lowest level in 50 years at 1.5 per cent.

Most economists are forecasting growth at or below zero for 2009 with job losses of more than 100,000 and an unemployment rate above 7 per cent.

Pressure is mounting on Ottawa to shock the economy into recovery with a big stimulus spending plan in its Jan. 27 budget.

Yesterday, Porter urged Ottawa to spend as much as $16 billion next year to arrest the economy's slide into recession. He said such a package should include spending on infrastructure as well as a one-time bonus for seniors on public pensions, temporary cuts to payroll taxes and the GST, and vouchers that would give Canadians government cheques on the condition they spend rather than save.

As well, Porter says Ottawa should consider a one-time financial transfer to the provinces, which could put the money more directly to use.


http://www.thespec.com/News/Business/article/480930

By the sounds of this article it doesn't really matter how much the mortgage is.
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 5:17 AM
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Housing factors

Sometimes it takes major changes in the norm as we see it to shake us back into reality.
So far in the last year we have seen record high gas prices, unusual weather and now the global recession.
So housing as we look at it has or is changing or do we just have to return to basics.
For a time it was that big house with a huge lot on the outskirts, but as the city grows so does the sprawl. Now there is Binbrook, Grimsby and even Brantford. Funny people from Toronto are eyeing Hamilton and we marvel every morning at the CHtv coverage of the commute.
The volume on the 403 is increasing daily as well as the RedHill to the QEW.
I think at times our considerations are backwards when selecting a location. used to be:
location close to work (ie the North end or east end to Dofasco or Steelco, this was important as we wouldn't need a car could walk or take the bus.
Schools for the kids close and a safe stroll even in the rain (buy a rain coat)'
Rec facilities like a park or rec centre for a swim.
Now people move their familitea out in the middle of nowhere (for now)and wait for schools to be built or roads or parks. The kids have to to be driven everywhere even to school on a rainy day. No buses yet.
About time to demolish houses in some of the older areas of Hamilton and build new like the North end. Build or refurbish new schools on old sites like we are seeing at Walnut and Charlton and next to Ivor Wynne.
If the City was on the ball old lots or houses should be sold cheap under a clause that a new house be built within one year.
Maybe start a renovation league of businesses or involve the schools so high school shop classes could learn on a real house.
I remember years ago my school(not here) used to build a complete module home or cottage with all the trades and sell the finished unit to be transported to a foundation.
One factor is snow removal maybe some people should consider that if you buy on a court you will not see a plow immediately after a storm or get one big snowblower for the survey.
We need to get back to basics and work on the infrastructure of the old city before we expand into new frontiers.
We could see a
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Old Posted Dec 22, 2008, 5:42 AM
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Knocking down old houses is probably a poor move. A lot of people in Hamilton don't seem to appreciate what a rich stock of older residential architecture Hamilton has. To me, it's Hamilton's greatest asset. Those old row houses are townhouses are relative rarities in Canada and Hamilton's urban neighbourhoods can provide a lifestyle that is increasingly sought after. Any other city or suburb can provide new homes.
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A lot of these older houses have stood strong for 100 years and will easily do so for 100 more. I have less faith in newer construction - minimal timber frame with brick veneer. It may last a generation, or even a lifetime but I don't think it will go into the multiples as well as the double brick stock we have all over lower Hamilton.
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Agreed.

There are a lot of houses that look bad in the north end right now. Painted over brick, loose mortar, shitty vinyl siding. Notice that I said LOOK bad because underneath the ultra cheap and poorly maintained cladding are houses that are still solid and better constructed than most houses built in the last 50 years.

Don't get me wrong there is still a vast sea of homes in Hamilton that are unsalvagable. Each house should be addressed on it's own merits and not with some blanket policy of tear it down and build anew.
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About time to demolish houses in some of the older areas of Hamilton and build new like the North end. Build or refurbish new schools on old sites like we are seeing at Walnut and Charlton and next to Ivor Wynne.
I don't understand your logic? I specifically chose to live in an old house in a downtown neighbourhood for the character of the house, not some plain jane new build. Destroying swaths of older housing stock would destroy the character and charm of the neighbourhood.
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People who avoid buying in the lower city, don't avoid it because the housing stock is old. They avoid buying in the lower city because they want to have a suburban lot with plenty of grass, a backyard, parking for multiple cars, etc.

Tearing down old houses and rebuilding them won't provide that for those wanting it.
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Not to mention the grotesque waste. 1/3 of our landfills already consist of building material. Imagine trying to find landfill space for all the older homes in the lower city. And then imagine all the energy (and trees) required to produce the new homes to take their place, new homes that won't have nearly the same lifespan as the perfectly sound homes they're replacing, and will therefore need to be replaced again much sooner.

The end of the era of cheap energy, and the end of ever-expanding landfills, makes this scenario pretty ludicrous. As a society, we have to put an end to our throwaway mentality. What better place to start than our buildings?
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People who avoid buying in the lower city, don't avoid it because the housing stock is old.
That's funny. One of the reasons I avoided buying in the suburbs is because the housing stock is new.
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A structural engineer friend said she's seen new subdivisions 5-10 years old in worse foundational and structural condition than houses from the 1880's here in Hamilton lower city,
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The amount of old houses that have been cleaned up and fixed up since I moved here six years ago is truly amazing. Many people are starting to realize their value, often people that have moved here from other cities. But I still hear too much talk about razing the lower city.

The other thing that completely astounds me is the range of reactions I get when I show people my photo tours. There are some people who have spent their whole life in the lower city and can tell me the nearest intersection to practically every photo. There are others who have lived their whole life in Hamilton but have no idea where these neighbourhoods are and are surprised at buildings that I would have thought were well known. As if they are seeing things for the first time.
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As Mike Holmes always says.... I hate new houses.
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One (of the 413) reasons I left Toronto was the trend of razing older homes in order to build a new monster home in its place. Some people call it progress.

That being said, there are some houses that are beyond help, mostly due to years of neglect.
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That's funny. One of the reasons I avoided buying in the suburbs is because the housing stock is new.
Me too. Though, I know plenty of others who want something different than what we want....
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The other thing that completely astounds me is the range of reactions I get when I show people my photo tours.
I used your photo tours to sell my wife (a Hamilton native) to purchase in Hamilton. I also used them to convince others were weren't crazy and that Hamilton had some truly great neighbourhoods .

She was very knowledgible about Hamilton, but has learned so much she didn't know about in the 8 months we've been in Hamilton .
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A lot of these older houses have stood strong for 100 years and will easily do so for 100 more. I have less faith in newer construction - minimal timber frame with brick veneer. It may last a generation, or even a lifetime but I don't think it will go into the multiples as well as the double brick stock we have all over lower Hamilton.
Timber frame? You're quite the optimist. I've seen entire subdivisions under construction, even in wealthy areas, with steel-framed crap.
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I left Vancouver to live here in Hamilton BECAUSE of the (affordable) older homes.

Destroying them is enviromentally wasteful, perpetuates our "disposable society" mentality and erodes the city's character.

Worst idea ever. Sorry, IMHO.

I've only been here for 1.5 years, and already bought 3 houses: sold one after renovating it, bought another for income purposes and the third is my long-term project which I live in.

I'm saying this because I've also noticed other people doing the same.

You'll soon see others doing the same...
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Interesting discussion about the quality of older vs. newer houses.

The single family homes built in Edmonton and Calgary from around 2000 to 2007 could possibly the poorest quality houses in the country.

Due to runaway demand and tight labor, many of these homes were framed by day laborers, and the overall finished quality of the many new suburban homes I've been in is exceptionally shoddy.

I'd take my current 1946 bungalow over a new mass built spec home any day.
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Older is better

So sorry, let me qualifiy my original statement. I am all for reno vs new homes. I agree that many neighbourhoods have so much potential for revitilizattion. I only suggest that some of the areas of neglect or semi-brownfields could have housing instead of moving our into more sprawl. To renovate a house is so much more responsible to our environment.
just get rid of the shacks or decay.
i lived in some older homes when i was a kid and they had such unique ideas that are coming back. One room where the bath and sink are one area and the toilet and sink are another, so someone can shower or bath without blocking off the bath room almost like having two bathrooms.
So glad to hear from the many who are into raising from the ashes.
Thanks for the effort. Best of luck.
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I left Vancouver to live here in Hamilton BECAUSE of the (affordable) older homes.
Same reason my brother moved to Hamilton from Vancouver.
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