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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 9:42 PM
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Who would fly from Europe to Asia through Canada >.>?
     
     
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Wink Perhaps I worded it wrong. Please let me explain

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Who would fly from Europe to Asia through Canada >.>?
You're right! That in itself does sound rather preposterous. What I really meant was that as Canada's Pacific city, with many Asian flights, it makes sense to have an airport from which the routes are diversified: that is, not all oriented either westward, nor southward, nor domesticallly (as, to an extent, is the case with Calgary, for example. Another example, strangely enough, is Montreal: fabulous for travelling to Europe, the Eastern USA, and even destinations in Africa, but with virtually nothing - unlike Big Toronto - to the Pacific Rim, at all). I was not implying that people are going to fly from London or Paris to Tokyo via Vancouver, just that having an airport which is versatile in its flight offerings is better than one which is great for travelling one way, but awkward for travelling in another global direction. Then of course there is a market, largely business, in which flyers will come to Vancouver from either Asia, do business, and seek a flight onward to Europe, and vice versa. And as Canada's principal Western city, having an airport that serves as many corners of the world as possible, including U.S. destinations (given the relatively small size of Vancouver when compared to many other cities) is a good investment. Otherwise stated, it's good to be an airport that has "polyvalence" or versatility, and as much choice as possible. This will stimulate the economy and warrant the ambitious long-term expansion plans of YVR. That's all.
     
     
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Who would fly from Europe to Asia through Canada >.>?
Some of the around-the-world mavens on FlyerTalk would welcome another option for avoiding the tender mercies of the TSA.
     
     
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Those flights barely exist anymore, I wanted to go to Berlin from London a few weekends ago, and booking 2 weeks in advance the prices were over 200 pounds round trip with both ryanair and easyjet, yet only 145 pounds with BA, over the past 6 months the low cost airlines have really hiked their fares
I flew for free with Ryan Air this summer (June 08). I flew Salzburg to London and only paid the tax it came to about $40 Canadian dollars. I like EasyJet better they have slightly better service, and only cost slightly more I paid about $55 Canadian for a flight from London to Berlin. My train trip to Luton Airport cost only slightly less.

If Ryan Air was the cheapest option to fly to Europe I would welcome them. I'm mostly interested in getting to the destination; I don't find flying to be comfortable even when I fly first class, though I did appreciate it on the 15hr flight from Vancouver to Sydney.
     
     
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I could definitely see Vancouver serving as a stopover for European/Asian business (and tourism). Vancouver itself is a business and tourist destination, so why not enhance that by adding in more European flights, so that a tourist or businessman could do everything via and including Vancouver (like was said). Perhaps Vancouver could snag a few offices or even head-offices of more international companies with this serving as a vehicle. ...

Nevertheless, This would enhance Vancouver as America's Singapore and is something the Vancouver officials should be pushing for!!!
     
     
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Thumbs up My point exactly! Thank you! Thank you!

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I could definitely see Vancouver serving as a stopover for European/Asian business (and tourism). Vancouver itself is a business and tourist destination, so why not enhance that by adding in more European flights, so that a tourist or businessman could do everything via and including Vancouver (like was said). Perhaps Vancouver could snag a few offices or even head-offices of more international companies with this serving as a vehicle. ...

Nevertheless, This would enhance Vancouver as America's Singapore and is something the Vancouver officials should be pushing for!!!
Please excuse my "dancing banana," but, YES! That's precisely the concept I had in mind when I made the statement! I wish there were more readers who thought the way you do, instead of worrying about too many Ryanair flights, or boo-hooing the concept, saying we DON'T neeed it, when in fact, it's exactly what would make this airport, YVR, a major air hub!! Again, thank you sir!
     
     
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its a lot longer though

that would be like going via edmonton to get to calgary
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2008, 5:51 AM
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its a lot longer though

that would be like going via edmonton to get to calgary
More like Toronto to get to Calgary

But yes, it would help the prospect of business in Vancouver to be able to go *anywhere*.

That is what is so lovely about New York. Of course, in no way do I expect anyone in Canada to ever get as many flights as JFK!
     
     
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it would bode well for vancouver if europeans wanted to avoid the USA I have read on other forums where travellers have gone way out of there way not to have to transit in the USA to get to south america or mexico - they willingly paid more just to avoid a US stopover
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2008, 1:38 PM
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Arrow It's good to see readers starting to think more about European destinations.

At least it's refreshing that a number of readers here are beginning to understand and appreciate the potential now available for free access to Europe. Sure, nobody is going to fly from Western Europe to Asia on a regular basis. As one writer said, that would be like going to Edmonton - or was it New York - to get to Calgary from Vancouver. Nevertheless, if Toronto (although a larger market than Vancouver, I admit) can support nonstop flights to Paris and Nice, as well as Zurich and Geneva, and not only Frankfurt, but Munich and Dusseldorf as well, among numerous other cities, then I think in the case of Vancouver we have a legitimate case to push for two or three more European destinations, with Paris CDG at the top of the list. (Don't believe me??? Ask anyone in the marketing department at YVR, not to mention Larry Berg himself). Paris , Zurich, and perhaps Rome. That would be a good place to start.
(I live in Paris, and there are a lot of people in France travelling to Vancouver now, and several have expressed surprise and regret that there is no direct service year-round. Why? We lost that to Seattle, thanks to government restrictions designed to cater to YYZ.).
If we're going to become a truly "connected," well-rounded airport, we have got to agressively push for more European destinations, as several others have had the foresight to mention. Vancouver has good Asian connections (some of which bypass the city and go straight to YYZ, which is resolute in dominating the Canadian air market),
but Vancouver also has a special geographic position; sort of "half-way" around the planet. * So does Seattle, but... it is not the ONLY major American city on the West Cost. It has to compete with San Francisco and Los Angeles.
Vancouver, however is the ONLY major Canadian city on the Pacific Coast, and this changes the travelling context to a large degree. The government shackles that have held us back for decades are coming off next year. Now is the time to be thinking about European destinations, and how they will augment our position from an air traffic point of view, and from the long-term point of view of the economic and logistic importance of Vancouver and YVR.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 18, 2008, 10:51 PM
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Red face ... p.s. If you thought Vancouver was Canada's "Gateway to Asia," ... think again

Toronto(YYZ) has nonstop flights to not only Honolulu, but also, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, and Beijing.
YVR was supposed to be the "Gateway to Asia." Somebody came along and pulled the rug out from under us. Guess who? NOW will people understand the necessity for more European connections, and stop resting on their laurels?
     
     
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To be honest, if we are going to get flights to Paris, Rome, and other locations in Europe, I have to wonder if it will *have* to be with someone other than Air Canada. They may be reluctant to give up some Toronto traffic, and Toronto will have a lot of say over what they do, I think. I just don't see us getting any new European destinations any time soon, unless Air France, Alitalia, and etc. decide to do it themselves.

And with the current economy, I don't know if they'll be risking picking up new routes.
     
     
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To be honest, if we are going to get flights to Paris, Rome, and other locations in Europe, I have to wonder if it will *have* to be with someone other than Air Canada. They may be reluctant to give up some Toronto traffic, and Toronto will have a lot of say over what they do, I think. I just don't see us getting any new European destinations any time soon, unless Air France, Alitalia, and etc. decide to do it themselves.

And with the current economy, I don't know if they'll be risking picking up new routes.
Yume, we don't need Air Canada. It is very clear whose side they are on; as they have augmented Vancouver further away from being a hub and sent everything 2000 miles to the east, even asia flights.

Who needs them. Vancouver can survive quite well as a gateway airport. Actually, somebody mentioned JFK - guess what, it is NOT a major hub for america, it is a GATEWAY airport. Tons of foreign flag carriers port there, the same can be done in Vancouver, the West Coast's Gateway airport.

Sure, we already have Asia Pacific flag carriers (and we need more of them), but we should shoot to be a World Gateway like JFK - touting Vancouver's position in tourism AND BUSINESS. I don't care if it starts out with just charter flights and conventions, we need to get the pro-business culture into the city where downtown becomes the business magnent that all of us vision it should be. What a great way to do it, than use YVR as the gateway to not just the pacific - but the world, the Olympics as the vehicle to introduce people to the city, and LEADERSHIP here to not rest on their laurels - but recognize the competition (Seattle, Calgary, TO mostly) and recognize the NATURAL advantage that Vancouver has to all of them be it economy of scale, location, population and diversity, or large yet compact downtown full of residents.

In order for this to work, we need a vision that has complete impact and flows throughout the city. This means expand the capacity of the Expo Line via 120m platforms and longer trains NOW, build the M-Line extension to UBC NOW, plan for the SkyTrain extensions and LRT for Surrey/Richmond, and possibly rethinking the M-Line (instead of Evergreen) and split it at Lougheed into Coquitlam (instead of calling that split a new line). It also calls for possibly taking on some debt in favor of creating economic stimulus for downtown, like a new and TRUE World Trade Center tower for international businesses to come and TRY OUT Vancouver before deciding to establish permanent roots here.

We have many models worldwide to look to (Singapore, Hong Kong, Osaka, Tokyo, Shanghai) that will work here. Instead of resting on our recent successes and laurels, we need to evolve as a city - relax some of the no-longer-necessary statutes (some of the view cones, entertainment zones/hours, density in the Financial District) to create the next impetus for the city. Sustainability means more than just density in residential, it also means places closeby for them to work and transit for suburbanites to come to work and shop/eat/dance/drink/play downtown! Downtown residents should not only be aware of this, but should encourage it in the entertainment districts - since, they live .. .. Downtown!

We need to use YVR and Downtown to move the Greater Vancouver Lower Mainland (yes, including the valley and island) as the next Asian, excuse me - WORLD Tiger! How do we get the word out, that this is what we want and demand from our leaders!
     
     
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Yume, we don't need Air Canada. It is very clear whose side they are on; as they have augmented Vancouver further away from being a hub and sent everything 2000 miles to the east, even asia flights.

Who needs them. Vancouver can survive quite well as a gateway airport. Actually, somebody mentioned JFK - guess what, it is NOT a major hub for america, it is a GATEWAY airport. Tons of foreign flag carriers port there, the same can be done in Vancouver, the West Coast's Gateway airport.

Sure, we already have Asia Pacific flag carriers (and we need more of them), but we should shoot to be a World Gateway like JFK - touting Vancouver's position in tourism AND BUSINESS. I don't care if it starts out with just charter flights and conventions, we need to get the pro-business culture into the city where downtown becomes the business magnent that all of us vision it should be. What a great way to do it, than use YVR as the gateway to not just the pacific - but the world, the Olympics as the vehicle to introduce people to the city, and LEADERSHIP here to not rest on their laurels - but recognize the competition (Seattle, Calgary, TO mostly) and recognize the NATURAL advantage that Vancouver has to all of them be it economy of scale, location, population and diversity, or large yet compact downtown full of residents.

In order for this to work, we need a vision that has complete impact and flows throughout the city. This means expand the capacity of the Expo Line via 120m platforms and longer trains NOW, build the M-Line extension to UBC NOW, plan for the SkyTrain extensions and LRT for Surrey/Richmond, and possibly rethinking the M-Line (instead of Evergreen) and split it at Lougheed into Coquitlam (instead of calling that split a new line). It also calls for possibly taking on some debt in favor of creating economic stimulus for downtown, like a new and TRUE World Trade Center tower for international businesses to come and TRY OUT Vancouver before deciding to establish permanent roots here.

We have many models worldwide to look to (Singapore, Hong Kong, Osaka, Tokyo, Shanghai) that will work here. Instead of resting on our recent successes and laurels, we need to evolve as a city - relax some of the no-longer-necessary statutes (some of the view cones, entertainment zones/hours, density in the Financial District) to create the next impetus for the city. Sustainability means more than just density in residential, it also means places closeby for them to work and transit for suburbanites to come to work and shop/eat/dance/drink/play downtown! Downtown residents should not only be aware of this, but should encourage it in the entertainment districts - since, they live .. .. Downtown!

We need to use YVR and Downtown to move the Greater Vancouver Lower Mainland (yes, including the valley and island) as the next Asian, excuse me - WORLD Tiger! How do we get the word out, that this is what we want and demand from our leaders!
Yes we can! Yes we can!

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Is that supposed to be comic relief? It isn't funny. "Hot Rod" has a vision, and people are back to making inane and crude remarks. The subject was airports and airlines. The catalyst is the Canada -EU Open Skies agreement. Please peddle your inanities elsewhere, and let serious people with a vision express themselves with some dignity, whether you agree with them or not.
     
     
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Is that supposed to be comic relief? It isn't funny. "Hot Rod" has a vision, and people are back to making inane and crude remarks. The subject was airports and airlines. The catalyst is the Canada -EU Open Skies agreement. Please peddle your inanities elsewhere, and let serious people with a vision express themselves with some dignity, whether you agree with them or not.
Settle down man... it's an internet fourm....
     
     
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yes, overall, this city needs more ambitious and talented souls to build its future. which one of you are going to be the next great visionary?
     
     
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yes, overall, this city needs more ambitious and talented souls to build its future. which one of you are going to be the next great visionary?
Nobody..... and everybody. If we can all stay on track, we can take this airport concept - and the city that goes with it - to great things ahead. Sure this is an internet forum, but it's also the SKYSCRAPER PAGE column about the future of YVR. If you like jokes about "chicken periods" (eggs), warm beer, and making an art of personal ad hominem insults, there are forums that specialize in stuff like that ..... even better than here! Airline destinations, anyone? Or had you forgotten?

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Nobody..... and everybody. If we can all stay on track, we can take this airport concept - and the city that goes with it - to great things ahead. Sure this is an internet forum, but it's also the SKYSCRAPER PAGE column about the future of YVR. If you like jokes about "chicken periods" (eggs), warm beer, and making an art of personal ad hominem insults, there are forums that specialize in stuff like that ..... even better than here! Airline destinations, anyone? Or had you forgotten?
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