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Old Posted Nov 29, 2008, 9:44 AM
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How about some type of entertainment facility with a bowling alley. Miniature golf, batting cages, indoor shooting range, and a dog park.

How about a 30 screen cineplex with giant neon signs flashing the times of the movies. The nimbys would love that.

The city should take it by eminent domain and then build an ADA compliant community garden and medicinal marijuana pot farm. (just kidding)
Ummm...thats a great idea!
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2008, 5:50 PM
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More on McKinley Village

The McKinley Village project has a number of serious development issues. To call it infill is somewhat disingenuous as infill typically implies that there are already existing infrastructure improvements (storm drainage, sewer, roads, etc. etc.) The developers propose to tie into the already overburdened CSS that runs through East Sac and that frequently causes flooding in heavy rain events.

The reason that there are neighborhood groups other than those in East Sac involved is because one of the two proposed vehicular access points will be 28th Street (next to the B Street theater) where it crosses the RR tracks on its way to the old dump. That suggests a lot of additional traffic for that portion of midtown. The second access will be a new undercrossing of the RR tracks to access Elvas Avenue. That will breach a secondary flood protection levee. The developers do not want to provide a freeway interchange for obvious reasons. There will NOT be any transit serving this location. All of the units are multi-story single family and have at least two car garages. Many will have three car garages. Of course the developer claims "sustainability" and has included tankless water heaters to demonstrate that. Woo hoo! There will be no multi-family and no single story units for seniors. There will be no useful retail, just a handful of the generally useless "live-work" spaces that developers utilize to demonstrate "mixed use" credentials to the City. Virtually all of the new residents will be driving to East Sac or midtown to get all services, a cup of coffee or a quart of milk.

There are typically about 50 trains a day through the Elvas wye as it is a critical component of UP's western train system. (Note how quickly they repaired that trestle after it burned.) I am surprised that UP is cooperating with the developers as I could see people that paid a half million for their slice of "East Sac" someday expecting to control train traffic hours, like people that complain about air traffic after buying a house near an airport. The developers plan to mitigate by dense planting of conifers. I would not want to raise a family in this bowl of diesel and auto pollution.

The East Sac neighborhood groups are not at this time opposed to the project as it is still being evaluated. Many are suggesting higher densities, perhaps with mid-rise condo structures, freeway access, limited vehicular access to existing neighborhoods, larger buffers between the highway and RR, much more neighborhood retail. There has already been a review and comment session with the Planning Commission and these suggestions were brought up by neighborhood reps.

The project site also includes 10 acres or so for moving the Greek Orthodox Church from its location on McK Park. It will seat 600 and include educational facilities and a 150 person outdoor amphitheater. Pleasant spot for that. There is a already a development application for the church site. The speculation is that the existing Greek church will be demolished and that there will be a mid-rise condo project built there overlooking the park.

All you need to know is that the behind the scenes players here are AKT Development and Phil Angelides. I don't see this City Council denying those two anything they want. It's the economics that don't make a lot of sense. Why pay a half million for a treeless zero lot line townhouse with no yard and constant noise and pollution when you could get yourself a great place in midtown or East Sac for the same or better price? IMHO, this is merely a purely suburban project shoehorned into an urban location. I don't see this penciling out in the current real estate market for a long, long time. But I am often wrong.

http://www.mckinleyvillage.net/index.html
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2008, 6:10 PM
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Being that they all wanted to be notified that a Walgreens is being proposed
for Alhambra & L Street and 500 people signed a petition opposing it, I’m certain
they will be involved in McKinley Village project.
The neighborhood groups were successful in forcing the Walgreens developers to provide windows on Alhambra instead of blank walls and to provide access to the building from the street, not just their internal parking lots. It was a terrible design previously. I'd much rather have a Mexican restaurant and a venerable Chinese eatery there than yet another 24 hour drug store. The Planning Comm must have agreed because the development application was denied last week. It will likely be taken to CC.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2008, 7:40 PM
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Great information, daverave, and welcome to the forum!

I imagine UP isn't too thrilled about increased traffic at the grade crossing at 28th and B. The levee punch-throughs are definitely an area of concern for the neighborhoods behind that levee. And yes, this neighborhood will get slapped with all the standard "hot" buzzwords: they'll sell it as a green-built eco-friendly transit-oriented mixed-use development, designed for the "creative class" around pedestrian villages with walkable neighborhoods and sustainable development practices, but it will basically be a fairly generic block of tract homes.Think of the non-dramatic view from the freeway--oh boy, another 400 beige-and-taupe stucco boxes!

Personally I think the lot would be a great place for an expanded Sacramento Zoo, as long as we're throwing out theoretical ideas.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2008, 8:32 PM
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Personally I think the lot would be a great place for an expanded Sacramento Zoo, as long as we're throwing out theoretical ideas.
As you probably know, the zoo folks are pushing to relocate the zoo on the far side of the Sutter's Landing Park area. I doubt the zoo docents will want to subject animals to the noise and pollution of the MV site... that's only suitable for homo sapiens apparently.
They also want to leave at least the possibility of a freeway interchange there to serve both sides of the highway. The neighborhoods might actually support that if it meant less of a vehicular connection to existing residential fabric. However, Steve Cohn and veterans of the Centrage fight are concerned that a freeway interchange at that location will virtually assure a future I-5, Richards Blvd., Elvas Avenue to highway 50 by-pass with attendant negative impacts to East Sac. Of course that assumes that we can and want to continue to base development patterns on what's best for the automobile.
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Old Posted Dec 1, 2008, 9:35 PM
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The developers do not want to provide a freeway interchange for obvious reasons. There will NOT be any transit serving this location. All of the units are multi-story single family and have at least two car garages. Many will have three car garages. Of course the developer claims "sustainability" and has included tankless water heaters to demonstrate that. Woo hoo! There will be no multi-family and no single story units for seniors. There will be no useful retail, just a handful of the generally useless "live-work" spaces that developers utilize to demonstrate "mixed use" credentials to the City. Virtually all of the new residents will be driving to East Sac or midtown to get all services, a cup of coffee or a quart of milk.
Are you kidding? —. Absolute —. So they are basically proposing to put a mini-elk grove in the middle of the city?

Yeah ok, get the — out of here of that —

As is the project doesn't have a prayer, thankfully so.

Thanks for the heads up daverave and welcome to the forum
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Old Posted Dec 4, 2008, 11:43 PM
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It wasn't long ago when there was still that small grove of trees to the east. And when the grass grew long in spring they would bring out sheep and let them graze there. The black berry bushes can also be rather productive. Yea yea, there is no room for the pastoral in an urban local. If they want to be green or claim sustainability, than maybe by applying some creative Ag ideas. they might be able to create something that many people in the city can be a part of. Like a major community garden. Something unique to put a spot on the city. I would love to harvest beats among diesel and carbon pollution. At current the best housing there seems to be torn tents and weathered homeless encampments. Maybe a velodrome for Cyclers.
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Old Posted Dec 5, 2008, 12:53 AM
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A vastly expanded "Soil Born Farms" urban farm location might be a worthwhile idea...we know the spot is good for the site, considering its last use was as an orchard.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2008, 11:18 PM
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As you probably know, the zoo folks are pushing to relocate the zoo on the far side of the Sutter's Landing Park area. I doubt the zoo docents will want to subject animals to the noise and pollution of the MV site... that's only suitable for homo sapiens apparently.
They also want to leave at least the possibility of a freeway interchange there to serve both sides of the highway. The neighborhoods might actually support that if it meant less of a vehicular connection to existing residential fabric. However, Steve Cohn and veterans of the Centrage fight are concerned that a freeway interchange at that location will virtually assure a future I-5, Richards Blvd., Elvas Avenue to highway 50 by-pass with attendant negative impacts to East Sac. Of course that assumes that we can and want to continue to base development patterns on what's best for the automobile.
Is there any other info regarding a possible zoo relocation? It would be cool if they involved it in the Cal Expo redesign. There's a ton of room out there.
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Old Posted Dec 7, 2008, 11:35 PM
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A vastly expanded "Soil Born Farms" urban farm location might be a worthwhile idea...we know the spot is good for the site, considering its last use was as an orchard.
Given it's ag history and proximity to railroad, freeway and municipal dump, I wonder if an organic farm would be interested. I've got to think that there is some funk in the dirt there. BTW, if anyone's ever played golf at Emerald Lakes down Hwy 99 in EG, that's what the aural experience will be like for residents at MV. Constant trains and traffic noise, hard to concentrate on your game!
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Old Posted Dec 9, 2008, 10:25 PM
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We used to slip over the rail levy to pick the cherries and peaches that used to grow there... it hasn't effected us much... I hope...
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Old Posted Dec 13, 2008, 5:59 PM
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Sacramento Community Theater Renovation



The city is considering a partial renovation of the Community Theater at
$40 million. A feasibility study in 2007 put the cost to do the full renovation
at $75 million and was improbable. The new design is by Westlake Reed
Leskowsky Architects and would add 18,000sf to the theater as well as
changes to the exterior of the building. If the project is approved by the
Council, design work would start in fall 2009 with construction beginning in
2013 and completion in 2015. The project would be done in phases
scheduling around performing arts seasons (Sept. – May) with heavy
construction in the summer months while the theater is closed.

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Old Posted Dec 13, 2008, 8:52 PM
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I love how they are getting ride of the huge set back on the L Street side and they are opening it up with some glass in the addition.

Now if we can get rid of the stupid name..."Community Center Theater" has always bugged me.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 12:47 AM
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Now if we can get rid of the stupid name..."Community Center Theater" has always bugged me.
I wonder how much the naming rights would go for in this market? Enough to cover the $35 million shortfall for the total project cost? Would be worth exploring.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 4:08 AM
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Sacramento Community Theater Renovation



The city is considering a partial renovation of the Community Theater at
$40 million. A feasibility study in 2007 put the cost to do the full renovation
at $75 million and was improbable. The new design is by Westlake Reed
Leskowsky Architects and would add 18,000sf to the theater as well as
changes to the exterior of the building. If the project is approved by the
Council, design work would start in fall 2009 with construction beginning in
2013 and completion in 2015. The project would be done in phases
scheduling around performing arts seasons (Sept. – May) with heavy
construction in the summer months while the theater is closed.



I'll believe it when i see it.

Still looks like a bunker, but at least we have a mayor, who wont hold 4 years worth of community workshops on the matter.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 4:45 AM
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That design —. I mean like really really boring, bland, and old fashioned —! The "outdoorsy" women who screams out my window could do better.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 5:40 AM
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It's not bad, but Sacramento needs better. They just need to demo the current building and start fresh.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 7:50 PM
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Outlook uncertain on Sacramento's 2009 commercial development

By Mark Glover
Published: Sunday, Dec. 14, 2008 | Page 1D

The streets and skyline of Sacramento are peppered with building projects, but will economic woes cause fresh construction to dry up in 2009?

The answer varies, depending on whom you ask.

City development officials say Sacramento did well in the down year of 2008 and is poised to sustain momentum.

They point to the giant crane topping the 25-story Bank of the West Tower under construction at 500 Capitol Mall, the massive construction area for a $181 million replacement for the state's heating and cooling plant at 625 Q St. and an ongoing $85 million expansion of the Crocker Art Museum at 216 O St. as evidence of progress.

"We have a number of projects that are being completed and ones that were completed this year, literally millions of dollars of construction going on downtown this year," said Leslie Fritzsche, Sacramento's downtown development manager. "Our objective is to keep that going."

Local developer Mark Friedman is not as optimistic.

Friedman had some success downtown this year, selling 17 of his Sutter Brownstones, a 28-home complex on the 2600 block of N Street priced in the $400,000 range.

But he sees more of a struggle ahead.

"It's going to be a rocky road next year," he said. "Part of the problem is real estate projects have such a long development time frame. Much of what you've seen was already under construction or was put in the pipeline two or three years ago.

"I think what is more telling is what people have on the drawing board. … There's very little new in the pipeline right now."

The pipeline, though, is not empty yet.

Recently completed projects include the $130 million U.S. Bank Tower office building at 621 Capitol Mall, the Gold Rush era-styled Orleans Hotel at 1024 Second St., and the Cosmopolitan Cabaret dinner theater at 10th and K streets.

Next year, more projects are scheduled to move forward downtown.

According to city development statistics, projects completed in 2008 have a total value of $315.2 million, and projects slated for 2009 have a value of more than $350 million.

The city's 2009 list includes development of the Sacramento railyard and the first phase of an upgrade at Westfield Downtown Plaza.

Thomas Enterprises, the railyard developer, said construction crews will be on site in 2009. Surveyors, engineers and architects have been working there this year, mapping out plans for housing, offices and retail sites.

Downtown Plaza officials said Friday they expect mall owner Westfield Corp. to proceed with the first phase of a multimillion-dollar face-lift in 2009. The first stage includes a new dining terrace at the mall's east end and new lighting, flooring and landscaping.

However, developers and builders noted that a struggling economy and tight credit markets have a way of changing plans.

Developer John Saca's twin-tower downtown condominium project, one of the most ambitious plans the city has seen, made headlines in 2007 when it died for lack of funding. A fence surrounds the hole between Third and Fourth streets on Capitol Mall where foundation work on the project had begun.

The similarly grand Aura project just three blocks up on the mall also was unable to raise enough money to move forward.

In October, Target Corp. canceled plans to open a new outlet at Downtown Plaza. A Target spokeswoman said the downtown site was not a viable option in the "current economic and real estate environment."

Al Gianini, a Sacramento-area development consultant, echoed Friedman's concern that a lack of fresh deals will likely make for a tough 2009.

"On the commercial side … 2009 is going to be gut-check year for commercial development," he said. "I think residential is close to bottom, but the commercial side always lags. I would agree that nothing in the pipleline is consistent with everything I'm hearing and what I'm experiencing myself.

"Not a lot of loans for new deals are being made, so everyone I talk to is concerned about where the deals are going to come from in 2009. … That's not a downtown phenomenon but a common theme throughout the United States."

Even so, Friedman sees "some potential bright spots," including a strong regional health care industry with several major hospital projects in the works.

"In a strange way," Friedman added, "Sacramento's flood-control problems and the need to fix the levees might provide an opportunity. But the difficulty with public works projects is they take a long time to build."

Along that same line, Sacramento could benefit from President-elect Barack Obama's proposal to spend billions to rebuild the nation's infrastructure, including bridges, highways, tunnels and schools.

The Sacramento railyard development could benefit from state or federal funding. The California Department of Transportation wants to implement a $52 million plan to move railroad tracks in the railyard so that more development can occur.

And Friedman, who enthusiastically supported the campaign of Kevin Johnson, also believes the new mayor's aggressive pro-business approach could boost the city's fortunes.

The city's Fritzsche said 2009 could prove stronger than some think for Sacramento.

"There are many things going on. Even in this economy, I think 2009 could be close to what we're doing now," she said.
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2008, 5:37 AM
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Hey innov8, do you have any idea how much refurb of the CCT interior this new plan will include. If I remember correctly interior upgrades were a pretty large part of the prior refurb plan. More bells and whistles would be great but if a modest renovation is the only way to make it happen then I am all for it. Anything to get rid of the 70's/Studio 54 lighting and lobby treatment...
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Old Posted Dec 17, 2008, 7:02 AM
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Arod - Here is the staff report. Looks like improvement wouldn't start until Summer of 2013.

http://www.cityofsacramento.org/dsd/meet...n/2008/documents/M08-046_StaffReport.pdf

For the 40M it looks like it would include:

Building Systems:
- HVAC Renovation and Replacement
- Electrical Renovation
- Fire Systems Upgrade

ADA Improvements:
- Seating reconfiguration for ADA access in front section
- Mobility Path
- ADA Restrooms
- Access to lobby from front section

House - Interior Seating Improvements
- New Seats
- ADA Accessible seats in multiple areas
- Cross Aisles for accessibility

Technical - Back of the House:
- Retrofit existing entry doors to improve backstage utilization
- Sound and Lighting systems upgrades

Lobby Area:
- Slightly increased lobby space
- Slightly expanded box office

Exterior:
- Add permanent covered patio on 13th street
- New Lighting and Landscaping

and hopefully a new name.....like SactownTom mentioned, I have to think naming rights could get at least a couple million.
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