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The Giant Tiger on Ellice downtown is a nice looking red brick building, underneath that horrible yellow facade.
You're right, and I think the building is fairly old, too. That was the Horseshoe Cabaret about 10 years ago. Lots of wood paneling and Western-themed stuff. There was an elevated dancefloor in front of the stage, and the one time I was in there a guy fell off the dancefloor and broke his neck. He apparently has not walked since.

Then it was jam space for bands before becoming Giant Tiger.
     
     
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Foolish phobia

By: Bartley Kives / This City - Winnipeg Free Press

Human beings and rats are a hell of a lot alike, and not just because both mammals are pest species that breed like mad in urban environments.

Ordinary people and common rats both tend to be neophobic, which means they generally avoid new foods, new places or any new aspect of their physical or social environments if they have the option of sticking to what they know and already like inside established comfort zones.

As an evolutionary strategy, neophobia makes a lot of sense for both homo sapiens and rattus norvegicus. There's no point sickening yourself by scarfing down some exotic new foodstuff when you already know it's safe to eat something boring, whether it's a bowl of breakfast cereal or a crust of bread from a garbage can.

But the general impuluse to fear anything new does not serve humans or rats well when the local population undergoes some form of pressure. In times of scarcity, both species rely on brave or desperate individuals to put aside their neophobia and experiment -- with new foods or new places to dwell.

The ability to override neophobia explains how both rats and humans have populated most of the planet, even though common rats are content to spend their entire lives within 20 metres of their nests -- and ordinary people prefer to remain on their couches -- provided they have enough to eat where they are.

But it takes an awful lot for neophobic mammals to display a bit of bravery. Consider the Winnipegger, an unusual human subtype that initially experimented by adapting to a sub-Arctic climate before becoming mired in the complacency befitting of its species.

For decades, Winnipeggers were confronted with extremely slow growth, which meant their physical environment -- their streets and parks and neighbourhoods -- changed only incrementally over time.

Unlike residents of boom-and-bust cities like Calgary and Vancouver, where new subdivisions, condo towers and apartment buildings seem to materialize overnight, many Winnipeggers have enjoyed the luxury of enjoying the same physical environment for decades.

The problem is, this environment no longer suits the needs of a significant portion of Winnipeg's population. This city is beginning to experience a shortage of many forms of housing, but especially apartment buildings, which is the form of housing most attractive to Winnipeggers of modest means.

In 2008, developers managed to create a paltry 319 new apartment units in Winnipeg, which is preposterous when you consider apartment vacancy hovers around one per cent.

But this is not for lack of trying, as any new Winnipeg apartment development faces not just regulatory approval but neophobia, as ordinary people cannot get past their love for pre-existing urban environments.

An apartment tower at the corner of Fort Street and Assiniboine Avenue was denied for the sake of preserving a parking lot that may one day become part of an historical park. Larger apartment complexes along Templeton Avenue in West Kildonan and Whellams Lane in North Kildonan repeatedly face opposition from existing residents.

All of these projects propose to add density to a city in desperate need of apartment units. But neophobia continues to reign.

While unfettered development is idiotic, the desire to stop any form of growth is frankly insane.

Just like rats, Winnipeggers must learn how to live with change.

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Basically that's 3 examples of "neophobia", one of which seems justified, one of which has to do with the unique history of the lot in question and one of which I hadn't heard of and can't comment on. I'm not convinced that, but for "neophobia", apartment buildings would be springing up all over Winnipeg. Rent controls and other tenant-friendly legislation would seem a more likely culprit.
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Basically that's 3 examples of "neophobia", one of which seems justified, one of which has to do with the unique history of the lot in question and one of which I hadn't heard of and can't comment on. I'm not convinced that, but for "neophobia", apartment buildings would be springing up all over Winnipeg. Rent controls and other tenant-friendly legislation would seem a more likely culprit.
I would say it's combination of all of the above. However, there is a strong sense of fear of change in Winnipeg, especially in the older generations.
     
     
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I would say it's combination of all of the above. However, there is a strong sense of fear of change in Winnipeg, especially in the older generations.
I agree..

I'm reminded how every so often we hear these looney toons arguments about how the Forks is some sacred green space and nothing so much as an outhouse should ever be built on the land.
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I would say it's combination of all of the above. However, there is a strong sense of fear of change in Winnipeg, especially in the older generations.
You seem to take it for granted that there is something misguided about fearing change. Perhaps these "older generations" have seen enough change to know that more often than not it's for the worse. The urban development of Winnipeg in the postwar years doesn't strike me as being an exception to that.
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You seem to take it for granted that there is something misguided about fearing change. Perhaps these "older generations" have seen enough change to know that more often than not it's for the worse. The urban development of Winnipeg in the postwar years doesn't strike me as being an exception to that.
I'm sorry Andy, but "fear of change" is a huge issue when it comes to development. No, it isn't the only issue, but plays a large part in many of the NIMBY crowds out there. Some have just cause, but others are people with too much time on their hands and have nothing better to do than fight every friken development that is proposed. You can try to rationalize this as much as possible, but the fact remains that many citizens and politicians will fight tooth and nail against both significant and insignificant developments in the city; aka CHRM, 100 Main St., and many many others that would more than benefit Winnipeg. And yet masterpieces like the WRHA offices on Main street get approved.

It's nauseating to say the least.
     
     
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By: Bartley Kives / This City - Winnipeg Free Press

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I don't know about this.
As much as I am absolutely disgusted by the "Friends" and their antics I have to admit that I've done an about-face as far as the N.K. apartments go. I agree that too many people in this city fear change but sometimes it is justifiable after closer examination.
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oh man are there any pictures of the horseshoe tavern? i forgot what it looked like before giant tiger
     
     
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oh man are there any pictures of the horseshoe tavern? i forgot what it looked like before giant tiger
Can't say I ever visited the place.

Apparently it's called the Herzig Building (1926) but I can't find any pictures.
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Old Posted Dec 14, 2008, 6:37 AM
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Also to note.. Giant Tiger stores are usually renovated from other former stores. Rarely they build from nothing like a brand new building as it would cost more to build new then reno.

The one in Thompson is in the old Safeway store, aand wasn't the downtown one here an old pool hall or Bi-Way before or did they essentially rip down and build up?
I actually worked in the downtown one I setup the store before it opened. Only worked there for awhile. To note I know it was the old Safeway(Westwood) in Thompson.

The building downtown is pretty damn old in the basement there is a walkway around the basement area. Like a perimeter hallway or something.

They made the mistake of building from the ground up, they thought the store would produce something like 5 Million and only made 2 Million. Can't remember which store it was but is in Winnipeg.

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Yeah i remember that bi-way sweet store! lol
     
     
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oh man are there any pictures of the horseshoe tavern? i forgot what it looked like before giant tiger
rembers all the boards that were on it giving it that western them above that was green painted side or stucko with a billards mural on the parking lot wall
     
     
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i miss the old looking dome i was loking forward to a new white one not a lead one










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Dec 13/2008



"One of the great things about this building was the integrated whole of terra cotta from top to bottom," said project architect Wins Bridgman. But this summer, the building's terra cotta dome was covered with lead plating to solve a leakage problem that surfaced as long ago as the 1930s, when the original terra cotta was replaced. That work, however, didn't stop cracks from reappearing on the dome.

Terra cotta, a relatively new building material in the early 1900s, helped Winnipeg aspire to greatness in its architecture. Builders replicated styles of old-world stone buildings with moulded ceramic at a fraction of the cost. People expected a lot of this fired mix of clay and crushed brick, but it didn't have enough give for every use.

"Terra cotta on a steel-frame dome turned out to be a bad idea," said Bridgman. "The steel expands and contracts too much throughout the year. And in this case, the material can't live up to our expectations."

Nevertheless, Bridgman admitted a fondness for the revised dome.

"There's a kind of magic to the way the shape is telegraphed through the metal," said Bridgman, pointing out how the joints of the lead plate match the joints of the terra cotta underneath.

"First we had the terra cotta imitating stone. Now we have lead imitating the terra cotta. It adds another layer to the building's story."
     
     
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The City of Winnipeg will receive federal and provincial help to extend downtown's weather-protected walkway system to the Winnipeg Convention Centre.
Ottawa and Manitoba are expected to announce at a press conference this morning that they will top up the city's $2 million contribution toward the construction of two new skywalks.

Those new skywalks would connect cityplace mall with the office building at 330 St. Mary Ave., and that building with the Delta Hotel, which is already connected to the Winnipeg Convention Centre.

In November, city council approved a plan to build the two new skywalks over the next two years, using $2 million originally set aside to extend the southern portion of the walkway loop west, all the way to The Bay.

That plan was abandoned because a hotel and condominium project proposed for the southwest corner of St. Mary Avenue and Edmonton Street has never materialized. A surface parking lot remains in its place, creating a gap in the walkway system between the Winnipeg Convention Centre and an office building at 400 St. Mary Ave, which is connected to the rest of the walkway loop.

A city report says the cost of connecting cityplace to the convention centre has ballooned to $8.7 million from $5.2 million over the past four years, forcing the city to abandon any additional walkway plans.

"We want to see the whole loop closed, but two new skywalks are a good thing," said Point Douglas Coun. Mike Pagtakhan, who chairs city council's downtown development committee.

A city report says the owners of the Delta Hotel, city place and 330 St. Mary Ave. are contributing $3 million toward the project. The city will front them the money, do the work, and add the cost to their property tax bills, using a city funding mechanism called a local improvement.

The city will spend $2 million and use any leftover funds to build more signs for the weather-protected walkway system.

Ottawa and Manitoba are expected to announce their contributions toward the project at a press conference called for this morning at the cityplace food court.
     
     
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I would say it's combination of all of the above. However, there is a strong sense of fear of change in Winnipeg, especially in the older generations.
For those of us who have lived or spent significant amounts of time in other cities, it is true. Winnipeg is more resistant to change than any other community....likely due to the fact that the city hasn't seen any influx of people from more 'progressive' jurisdictions who can import new ideas and even though the city has lost economic status to places such as Calgary/Edmonton over the past 30 years, there really hasn't been an economic calamity that would force people to accept changes more readily.

BTW, regarding the rental housing crisis in this city and rent controls. I'm not picking sides on the benefits or disadvantages of controls but for those cheerleading their removal and how it would solve problems, think again. Alberta added nothing in their recent boom and even lost alot of units to conversions, Toronto and Vancouver are also tight markets with little to no new supply coming on. The problem goes beyond rent controls.
     
     
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BTW, regarding the rental housing crisis in this city and rent controls. I'm not picking sides on the benefits or disadvantages of controls but for those cheerleading their removal and how it would solve problems, think again. Alberta added nothing in their recent boom and even lost alot of units to conversions, Toronto and Vancouver are also tight markets with little to no new supply coming on. The problem goes beyond rent controls.
Well I think you're probably right but it's kind of a chicken/egg situation. With rent controls we really don't know how the market will respond. It may be that their removal would change nothing but since that's not in the offering, we really don't know. It looks like we've been slowly giving ground on rent control for at least the past decade and as a result, we're seeing more developer interest in adding rental units. Don't forget too that development is driven by the local market and if developers aren't interested in building rental units in places where there are no rent controls it's because there isn't enough demand to justify their construction. Yes, I'm aware that there may be pressing demand from potential renters but when that is translated into what a renter is willing to pay per month, if it's not enough to cover construction costs and turn a profit for the developer, demand actually isn't high enough.
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also spocket perhaps they don't want to build new rental compacity when they are making a killing off the high prices they charge to rent atm?
     
     
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Tax plan could renew downtown

I sure hope TIFF works a sort of Renaissance for downtown for the sake of our underused buildings who are falling apart as to save their glorious history in the exchange district and other areas.

And to have strict and consistant measures of urban planning would help out alot.
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Our politicians are considering an important economic development tool for urban renewal, one that could transform our downtown into the kind of place to work and play that Winnipeggers deserve.
The provincial government has announced the creation of Bill 46, the Community Revitalization Tax Increment Financing (TIF) Act.

This policy is a bold step, and it's the approach that's needed. As witnessed in the United States, where legislation has been embraced for more than a decade, it works to expedite planned revitalization.

Under this TIF policy, provincial tax dollars would be used as upfront funding for development projects downtown. The projects then gradually repay these debts through increased property tax revenues that flow as a result of the TIF-funded improvements.

The TIF policy is needed because, in weak real estate markets, the cost of acquiring, renovating or constructing buildings usually exceeds what they are worth. Why would a developer take on a project that will end up losing money? No profit, so no go.

That's where government steps in, to bridge the market gap.

As some downtown buildings continue to sit derelict or underused, no level of government collects significant taxes, they do nothing to grow the surrounding real estate market and additional taxes that would come with it. In the meantime, degraded properties create safety and image concerns.

The bill requires the province to commit to foregoing 20 or more years of incremental tax revenues. It makes business sense to do so; in the absence of improvements, government revenues would be flat anyway.

Through TIFs, taxes go up in the immediate areas. And while these taxes for a time are used to pay off the public investments, and don't go into the government's general coffers, the TIF-enabled development project is stimulating new real estate and vibrancy in our downtown.

In addition to encouraging downtown development, TIFs could pay for significantly upgrading downtown infrastructure. Taxes raised can also go toward improvements for parks, curbs, sidewalks, parking structures, street lighting, landscaping, and other strategic public investments.

TIF legislation offers exciting possibilities, but it has to be executed properly and only used for the reason intended. That reason is to stimulate development that would not have otherwise occurred, in a manner that builds the most exceptional urban environment possible. Our city deserves nothing less.

There are some key points that need to fall into place for this to happen. Our American counterparts have found that utilizing TIFs to fund the redevelopment of districts is a far superior approach to growth, economic development and overall revitalization as opposed to a building-by-building approach, with no end goal other than development.

These district development plans need to be created by the business, property and residential stakeholders of that neighbourhood, under the support and guidance of all public agencies.

Main Street is starting to re-emerge as an exciting district, and with the right vision and plan led by CentreVenture, it can once again claim its rightful place in the downtown. The amount of energy and entrepreneurial spirit in Chinatown, if harnessed, could lead to a must-visit locale for the public and tourists. The Exchange District has huge potential to grow as a first-class historical warehouse district. The opportunities that transit-oriented development provides for Portage and Graham avenues, too, are significant. I believe there will be a day when people will not just come to the downtown, they will come to Chinatown, the entertainment district on Portage, and the hip neighbourhood of Graham Avenue.

If we paint the picture of what the area should look like, through a district development plan, developers can immediately see how their project could fit in. These types of development projects should be given priority to access public TIF funds. Seeing the plan upfront will also help developers negotiate the red tape of getting a development approved.

Like any new policy or program, there are always questions regarding proper implementation, and how a new project fits with the needs of the community. Our American counterparts have found community involvement and education throughout the process is fundamental to success, as it creates transparency and, more importantly, forces accountability.

It would seem that government is beginning to understand the depth of the revitalization challenge and the need for a long-term commitment.

With this bill, the provincial government has laid the groundwork for a more entrepreneurial and planned approach to downtown development.

A properly implemented TIF would allow our downtown to continue moving towards becoming a vibrant and wonderful place that all citizens and visitors can enjoy sooner.


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Regarding the skywalk expansion to the Convention Centre...

I caught it on the news yesterday evening. Unfortunately, the artist conception images are very small on the CTV Winnipeg page and I could not find them elsewhere online. It looked neat, how it wraps around the front of the Delta Hotel's exterior.

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^ Viking, isn't your firm working on this? Any pics u can provide?
     
     
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