The Official Moncton, NB Project Thread

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

I'm sure that the expansion at the Dumont has nothing to do with extra beds, although both hospitals could stand to have extra capacity.

The money I believe is for extra space in radiation oncology and medical imaging for new linear accelerators and a PET/CT scanner.

re: the jail, I'm certainly glad to see it vacate downtown. This will certainly free up all the land behind Assumption Place for a major development of some kind.

I don't really care if the new jail is built in Moncton or not but, since all the court facilities in southeastern NB are to be consolidated in the new justice complex, it would make sense to locate the new jail somewhere in the metro area. Perhaps it could go in one of the industrial parks, like it is down in Halifax.

They could go for the convenience factor and put it in Dorcester. Medium, Minimum, and local, all on the same block.

[JasonL-Moncton]

Where does it say anywhere in that article that it (jail) "won't" be built downtown...it doesn't...it would make sense to build it close to the police station and the new courthouse just for security and sheer logistics. What it does say is that it may not be built in Moncton...at all....which I view as bad, I'd take downtown somewhere over not at all.

The thing that confuses me...why was the 'new jail', not part of the justice complex!?!? Wouldn't it make sense to have the criminals go through private secure stairwell/elevator directly from the jail to the court rooms and back to the jail instead of having to transport them?

Jason

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by JasonL-Moncton

Where does it say anywhere in that article that it (jail) "won't" be built downtown...it doesn't...it would make sense to build it close to the police station and the new courthouse just for security and sheer logistics. What it does say is that it may not be built in Moncton...at all....which I view as bad, I'd take downtown somewhere over not at all.

The thing that confuses me...why was the 'new jail', not part of the justice complex!?!? Wouldn't it make sense to have the criminals go through private secure stairwell/elevator directly from the jail to the court rooms and back to the jail instead of having to transport them?

Jason

It's probably a perception thing. It wouldnt' seem right if, for example, the police shared a building with the courts. While I have the utmost respect for the police, I also think that the judiciary should be seen as a completely independent body.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by stephan.richard

I must agree with you STU.... Also i wish that they would fill in th vacant stores with good stuff.... Also I wish tha Aeropostale, Hollister and Abrecrombie and Fitch could move to Moncton.

Well..... You can always come to Saint John for your Aeropostale fix

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

Well..... You can always come to Saint John for your Aeropostale fix

No offence but Aeropostale sells the same generic stuff than Urban Planet, American Outfitter, Bootlegger ect, why make a trip to SJ in order to find roughly the samething?

[Sony500]

Sounds like to me the article is saying that nothing "yet" will be done with the jail downtown. Maybe nothing at all will be done, but I don't take it that it will be vacated and torn down.

[michael_d40]

Originally Posted by ErickMontreal

No offence but Aeropostale sells the same generic stuff than Urban Planet, American Outfitter, Bootlegger ect, why make a trip to SJ in order to find roughly the samething?

Why you ask? Well if you wernt so quick to respond with another sly comment, and read previous posts, you would be able to answer your own question. But to answer your question, as to WHY? Because people like stephan, as stated in their post LIKE IT. Wow..> Typical Monctonian is what you are.

[michael_d40]

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can you really f*** off seriously we dont go on the saint john thing and say s*** about stores and then mouth at someone. He pointed out the fact that they all sell the same type of clothing so why travel the distance for one store. Stay out of the moncton forum if you want to be a baby go to the bars and get drunk and mouth about moncton there becasue nobody wants to hear what you have to say you an immature, arrogant, 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 who needs to grow up je*** pull the stick out of your a** and act like man instead of a child.

[Wishblade]

^ Wow, what a loser.

[Dmajackson]

Okay people seriously just relax. I've read through and well I don't see how he was discriminating against Moncton. All he said was SJ had one store Monc didn't. So what, different cities have different stores, no need to get personal people.

I say we just all be careful of what we say and support one another. Besides the three cities who post on this thread are like sisters. SJ, Hali and Monc have been and always will be direct competitors but competition is healthy is it not?

[MonctonRad]

Another flame war (sigh)

[ErickMontreal]

Originally Posted by michael_d40

Why you ask? Well if you wernt so quick to respond with another sly comment, and read previous posts, you would be able to answer your own question. But to answer your question, as to WHY? Because people like stephan, as stated in their post LIKE IT.

Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, he likes the store, this is perfect to me.

Originally Posted by michael_d40

Wow..> Typical Monctonian is what you are.

BTW, did you ever come here to support your statement ?

[MonctonRad]

Trying to steer the forum back on course.......

I think we are beginning to see the planets alligning for the future development of downtown Moncton.

In the past, there has been developmental paralysis because no one knew where the courthouse was going to be built and no one knew what the future of the old provincial jail was. Meanwhile, Verdiroc had city council under it's thumb for about a decade. This not only tied the hands of people interested in the Beaver Lumber lands and in the lands behind Assumption. It also cast uncertainty over the availability of other downtown properties for development as well; lands such as the Subaru dealership or even Highfield Square.

Now we know that the courthouse is going to the Beaver Lumber site. We know the jail will be relocated. Verdiroc is moribund. This frees up the lands behind Assumption Place for something significant. Meanwhile, other developers will look at the other properties downtown in a new light, knowing that these lands can be used for other projects.

The uncertainty is gone. I think we will see some significant projects downtown in the upcoming 3-5 years. Perhaps we will even see the fabled downtown arena/convention/commercial complex (I won't call it "metro centre").

[mmmatt]

Originally Posted by MonctonRad

Trying to steer the forum back on course.......

I think we are beginning to see the planets alligning for the future development of downtown Moncton.

In the past, there has been developmental paralysis because no one knew where the courthouse was going to be built and no one knew what the future of the old provincial jail was. Meanwhile, Verdiroc had city council under it's thumb for about a decade. This not only tied the hands of people interested in the Beaver Lumber lands and in the lands behind Assumption. It also cast uncertainty over the availability of other downtown properties for development as well; lands such as the Subaru dealership or even Highfield Square.

Now we know that the courthouse is going to the Beaver Lumber site. We know the jail will be relocated. Verdiroc is moribund. This frees up the lands behind Assumption Place for something significant. Meanwhile, other developers will look at the other properties downtown in a new light, knowing that these lands can be used for other projects.

The uncertainty is gone. I think we will see some significant projects downtown in the upcoming 3-5 years. Perhaps we will even see the fabled downtown arena/convention/commercial complex (I won't call it "metro centre").

Good points MonctonRad

My "downtown plan" haha.

Step 1 Justice Center built on beaver lumber site. (99% likely to start in less than a year)

Step 2 Downtown arena/convention/commercial complex the "former" jail site (50% likely to start in 3 years or less)

Step 3 Behind these developments would rise a 4-5+ floor parking garage, for Assumption, Justice Center, Arena, Hotel Beau.

Step 4 Develop the massive lot beside the Rogers Call center. Mid-high density residential, retail and commercial.

Step 5 Develop lot behind new Marriott to complete that end of Assumption.

Step 6 Focus development on side streets ie where the market is etc.

[mylesmalley]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Good points MonctonRad

My "downtown plan" haha.

Step 1 Justice Center built on beaver lumber site. (99% likely to start in less than a year)

Step 2 Downtown arena/convention/commercial complex the "former" jail site (50% likely to start in 3 years or less)

Step 3 Behind these developments would rise a 4-5+ floor parking garage, for Assumption, Justice Center, Arena, Hotel Beau.

Step 4 Develop the massive lot beside the Rogers Call center. Mid-high density residential, retail and commercial.

Step 5 Develop lot behind new Marriott to complete that end of Assumption.

Step 6 Focus development on side streets ie where the market is etc.

I think your third step is definitely going to happen. With the exception of the lot behind the Marriot, and the one next to Bore Park, there really aren't any vacant lots. Whatever isn't built up right now is currently used as parking. As these new buildings go up, the greater demand for parking will be augmented by the fact that the number of spaces will be shrinking at the same time. It's going to be a pretty high priority fairly soon.

I'd also really like to see the city resurface Lutz street from Main to Assumption. That street is a disgrace. It's uneven, narrow, potholed, and has really ugly above-ground power lines.

[MonctonRad]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Good points MonctonRad

My "downtown plan" haha.

Step 1 Justice Center built on beaver lumber site. (99% likely to start in less than a year)

Step 2 Downtown arena/convention/commercial complex the "former" jail site (50% likely to start in 3 years or less)

Step 3 Behind these developments would rise a 4-5+ floor parking garage, for Assumption, Justice Center, Arena, Hotel Beau.

Step 4 Develop the massive lot beside the Rogers Call center. Mid-high density residential, retail and commercial.

Step 5 Develop lot behind new Marriott to complete that end of Assumption.

Step 6 Focus development on side streets ie where the market is etc.

Wow Matt, you and I think a lot alike. That is pretty much exactly what I would like to see happen. I agree that the arena should go behind Assumption. That would certainly entail a large parking facility to serve the arena/convention centre and adjacent hotel as well as Assumption Place . If the lot behind the Marriott were developed as well (high end condos anyone?), the city would have a downtown core impressive in scope and large enough to act as a generator for future growth. We are just that close to seeing the dream realized!!

[mmmatt]

Color For the Page

Random topic this time haha...
Ships named after Moncton

Maersk Moncton
Container ship (Maersk/Sealand)
Built 1989 (renamed to Maersk Moncton in 2006)
I think she needs some paint haha

credit: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk

HMCS Moncton (MM 708)
Kingston-class coastal defence vessel (Canadian Forces)
Built 1997

credit: http://unheardunseen.com

HMCS Moncton (K139)
Flower-class corvette (Royal Canadian Navy)
Built 1941, decommissioned 1945, sold 1955, scrapped 1966

credit: Royal Canadian Navy

[stephan.richard]

Originally Posted by Bedford_DJ

Okay people seriously just relax. I've read through and well I don't see how he was discriminating against Moncton. All he said was SJ had one store Monc didn't. So what, different cities have different stores, no need to get personal people.

I say we just all be careful of what we say and support one another. Besides the three cities who post on this thread are like sisters. SJ, Hali and Monc have been and always will be direct competitors but competition is healthy is it not?

I must agree with you these three cities have allways been direct competition. And all three cities are jealous of eachother. What Halifax has Monton and Saint John wants. And it has always been the case and it is healthy for the Maritimes.

But as far as developpment for the Downtown core in Mncton I could see a bunch of projects that could take off and that will take the construction of the courthouse, then the Metro Center and that could be the catalyst for many developpements for the downtown core. One more thing would be to move the jail from the downtown core and nove it to the moncton industrial park, Caledonia industrial park.. Or Even in Scoudouc. But if that can be done I can envision a convention center, high rise developpement, and a large condo project.

[mylesmalley]

No site yet chosen for jail
Published Thursday December 11th, 2008

FREDERICTON - The provincial government is unable to say where the new jail for southeastern New Brunswick will be built because it hasn't yet purchased land.

A government official said the Liberals aren't ready to announce the location of the new jail, or confirm whether it's located in Moncton, because the site selection must still be finalized.

Earlier this week, Finance Minister Victor Boudreau announced a new jail will be built in southeastern New Brunswick. The former Conservative government promised to replace the Moncton Detention Centre.

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Why does the paper insist on politicizing everything? What difference does it make if the Conservatives promised to build a new jail; they never did.

[David_99]

Originally Posted by stu_pendousmat2

Step 6 Focus development on side streets ie where the market is etc.

Definitely. In the same vein Moncton needs to develop the side streets leading to the boardwalk park. A nice gateway. Right now if I'm walking downtown and want to go to the park, I end up cutting through the parking lot between Blue Cross and Studio 700.

Originally Posted by mylesmalley

I'd also really like to see the city resurface Lutz street from Main to Assumption. That street is a disgrace. It's uneven, narrow, potholed, and has really ugly above-ground power lines.

Hell yes. I drive my wife to work every day on Lutz and it is pitiful. I was almost disappointed when they added the expansion to the old Hawk building on the corner because I thought it would have been a great opportunity to expand Lutz to at least 3 lanes at the intersection and resurface everything below Main as you suggested.