Salt Lake:Official development news thread - Page 390

delts145 · #**7781** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 7:43 PM**

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Originally Posted by wrendog

I truly hope that the restaurants in the CCC are not all national chain restaurants. I hope we get some local variety and perhaps something a little more quality/gourmet then your typical Applebees/Chilis/CF

I think that CCC will have some nice local/ethnic restaurants, like over on Regent Street. Gourmet is nice, but I think the Tower 1 corner would be more interested in something that will generate more of a larger, wide ranging crowd. Cheesecake Factory really catches peoples eye, no matter where they're from. That corner is going to be a huge draw of tourists and conventioneers.

Just my opinion, but I think that Cheesecake Factory is a big step up from Applebys. Chiles can be pretty good actually, but it's not as upscale as CF. and it doesn't have as much of a range as CF. in areas like desserts, etc.

Future Mayor · #**7782** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 7:53 PM**

I too have to agree, that would be an amazing spot for the CF. I do hope that there are a good share of locally owned high end restaurants in CCC, but I do think there needs to be a few (1-3) national higher end chains to draw tourists and conventioneers in.

Stenar · #**7783** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 8:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by wrendog

I truly hope that the restaurants in the CCC are not all national chain restaurants. I hope we get some local variety and perhaps something a little more quality/gourmet then your typical Applebees/Chilis/CF

I concur! Less chains, more upscale... or I should say NO CHAINS. Chain restaurants are generally tacky and have SYSCO food that tastes horrible. I never eat at them.

Comrade · #**7784** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 8:49 PM**

The Arena Football League is canceling the 2009 season because of financial reasons.

No more Blaze.

http://www.cleveland.com/gladiators/index.ssf/2008/12/reports_arena_football_league.html

SLC Projects · #**7785** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 9:09 PM**

Maybe now we can get a REAL football team here. ( Yea right ) LOL.

wrendog · #**7786** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 9:52 PM**

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Originally Posted by Comrade Reynolds

The Arena Football League is canceling the 2009 season because of financial reasons.

No more Blaze.

http://www.cleveland.com/gladiators/index.ssf/2008/12/reports_arena_football_league.html

Clarification... No Blaze for 2009, they will be back in '10 with the rest of the league.

cololi · #**7787** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 9:55 PM**

Chains suck. So does Arena Football. It does not suprise me that it is suffering financially. The only benefit is that I do think the Blaze is a good summertime use of downtown.

blazefirelight · #**7788** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 10:14 PM**

Chains don't always suck. I know that people who come from out of state may be undecided on where they want to go and want to eat somewhere safe. Most people are actually like this. So if they want to eat somewhere safe and stay in the City Creek Area, they're going to need a chain or two. Chili's could probably have a home in City Creek, and Cheesecake Factory definitely could. It could be like the one in Seattle and be amazing.

I took a walk down Regent Street yesterday, and I'm actually excited for the Broadway Theater will do for Regent Street. It's a rather intimate street--even more so than Main. It would be exciting to go down Regent with all the lights someone once envisioned on here, and all of the restaurants and such.

blm3034L!fe · #**7789** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 11:09 PM**

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Originally Posted by blazefirelight

Chains don't always suck. I know that people who come from out of state may be undecided on where they want to go and want to eat somewhere safe. Most people are actually like this. So if they want to eat somewhere safe and stay in the City Creek Area, they're going to need a chain or two. Chili's could probably have a home in City Creek, and Cheesecake Factory definitely could. It could be like the one in Seattle and be amazing.

I took a walk down Regent Street yesterday, and I'm actually excited for the Broadway Theater will do for Regent Street. It's a rather intimate street--even more so than Main. It would be exciting to go down Regent with all the lights someone once envisioned on here, and all of the restaurants and such.

I'm confused? Somewhere safe? In Utah? That is pretty much everywhere! Unless you are in Moab lost with no water or something? WTF are you talking about?

You want to experience an unsafe urban environment? Go to East St Louis my friend or Oakland California and a number of cities in the Los Angeles area. But SLC Utah? Are you kidding me!!!

WASDEN · #**7790** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 11:10 PM**

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Originally Posted by cololi

Chains suck. So does Arena Football. It does not suprise me that it is suffering financially. The only benefit is that I do think the Blaze is a good summertime use of downtown.

Good thing we didn't build the Blaze their own arena on public dollars

Apparently a water park by an 'un-named' developer is in the works on some of the RSL land near the stadium.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11181081

MetroFanatic · #**7791** Posted **Dec 10, 2008, 11:38 PM**

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Originally Posted by blm3034L!fe

I'm confused? Somewhere safe? In Utah? That is pretty much everywhere! Unless you are in Moab lost with no water or something? WTF are you talking about?

He is saying that chain restaurants aren't necessarily bad because, when it comes to tourism and eating, people have a habit to want to eat at the same places they can at home because they know they'll like it. So I suppose they want to "play it safe" in not wasting money on something that'll make them gag.

Your Boy Blue · #**7792** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 12:02 AM**

We need more local restaurants like Lambs Grill. I love the atmosphere in that place and they have good food too. I would much rather see a place like that at CCC instead of a Chili's.

Comrade · #**7793** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 12:12 AM**

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Originally Posted by wrendog

Clarification... No Blaze for 2009, they will be back in '10 with the rest of the league.

I just have a hard time seeing the league continue after this.

We'll see.

As for chains, from a tourist standpoint, they're far more popular than the local places because, as said, people like to eat where they feel comfortable.

But for locals, it sucks. Chains suck.

strippadam · #**7794** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 12:57 AM**

City Creek Center Reastaurants are going to go to the chains. Reason 1, chains can afford the higher rent, reason 2 being that the stores found in CCC are not local as they will be in Trolley Square, 3 being the fact that you have a higher safety rate of a reastuarant staying alive when being a chain. So many local reastaurants come and go which does not make for a great enviroment. I just can't imagine a Chili's in such an envoroment, perhaps cause i haven't seen to many Chili's built in an urban mall. I have only seen them next to the mall with there own parking.

I was thinking more reastuarants like a Morton's Steakhouse, Cheesecake Factory, PF Changs if they didn't already have a downtown location.

I am sure that CCC will try to pull in restaurant vendors that are familier with the clientele of the shops. They want high end shops. CCC is supposed to have stores and reastaurants that you will not find in Trolley Square or Gateway.

strippadam · #**7795** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 1:00 AM**

On or back to Trolley Square and the kind of stores it is pulling in. West Elm (a high end bedroom among other things retailer) will be located next to Restoration Hardwear, etc. Just pointing out a name. West Elm www.westelm.com

delts145 · #**7796** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 1:03 AM**

I think at that particular location at the base of Tower 1, a Cheesecake Factory would be a good move. However, for areas of CCC like Regent, I would really like to see more of a Park City type atmosphere of local owners. I do think we'll see some great restaurants that might have just a handful of highly successful locations nationally, and will be lured by CCC's premiere location. They will be new to the region and not nearly as prolific or common as a Chili's, and of a higher end of quality control. Also, I think a couple of establishments by people such as the owners of Gastromomy Inc. or Tuscany will want to be at City Creek.

strippadam · #**7797** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 1:21 AM**

I do think that down from CCC you have a HUGE CHANCE of a better city improvement tieng CCC to Galiven Plaze. I will not be suprised to see more independent retailers, as well as reastaurants open along with CCC, or shortly after. I can see some great reastaurants down Regent street that would be wonderful and provide a quant feel.

When do you think we will get another office tower announcement for these two blocks. Between State and West temple and 100 S and 200 S. I think perhaps 2011 maybe even 2010 they will be announced. Something as the economy is recovering and CCC seems to have filled in or at least found its way of not oversaturating the Market.

I will not be suprized to see if CCC holds off on the other two Residential Towers till after the economy recovers purely based off saturation. However office space is still desperatly needed. And as a city they need to be watching for and brining in more corporate headquarters that can fill in parts of downtown.

What i have loved about Salt Lake is that if 1 company dies someone can take there place. Not like here in Minneapolis where i have now moved for work from Salt Lake. In minneapolis if Target or Best Buy would to go under it would tear apart 1/6 to a 1/3 of the city. Those are some devestating numbers. Very much like Charlotte Carolina is feeling now with the pending doom of several of there largest employers.

WASDEN · #**7798** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 1:58 AM**

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Originally Posted by strippadam

...What i have loved about Salt Lake is that if 1 company dies someone can take there place. Not like here in Minneapolis where i have now moved for work from Salt Lake. In minneapolis if Target or Best Buy would to go under it would tear apart 1/6 to a 1/3 of the city. Those are some devestating numbers. Very much like Charlotte Carolina is feeling now with the pending doom of several of there largest employers.

Thats because Salt Lake simply does not have corporate headquarters in the same sense as those other cities. If one of those enterprises were to go under, its true their city would feel the pain. But those cities also reap the rewards when those corporations prosper! Its a risk I'd be willing to take. I agree with you Salt Lake DESPERATLEY needs to start attracting corporate headquarters. Wheather you like coporate America or not, big business brings home the bacon. And I'd rather that bacon be floating around the Salt Lake economy.

ctobsl · #**7799** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 4:14 AM**

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Originally Posted by blm3034L!fe

I'm confused? Somewhere safe? In Utah? That is pretty much everywhere! Unless you are in Moab lost with no water or something? WTF are you talking about?

You want to experience an unsafe urban environment? Go to East St Louis my friend or Oakland California and a number of cities in the Los Angeles area. But SLC Utah? Are you kidding me!!!

I think you misunderstood what he meant by safe, but I take it as a safe place to eat as in being familiar with the type of food that is served.
Anyway, my three dollars and 10 cents worth.

blazefirelight · #**7800** Posted **Dec 11, 2008, 5:07 AM**

Thanks for clearing up what I had to say. I didn't think what I said was irrelevant and made no sense.

I think that if we're going to get a place that's successful elsewhere, but doesn't have many places out west, we should definitely get a Skyline Chili out here. I've never actually been there, but I've heard it's amazing. I've put chocolate in my chili, and it was delicious.

I wish Salt Lake City was large enough to have vendors like Philadelphia. They had tons of different vendors--some even handing out fruit. Not just food, but FRUIT.