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Old Posted Nov 22, 2008, 8:21 PM
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The crane for 21 Rio is now gone, they must have taken it down over the weekend.
     
     
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The crane for 21 Rio is now gone, they must have taken it down over the weekend.
yep..... took me a while to figure out what the new crane in West Campus was for...got all excited....... then I realized it was the crane that was being used to dismantle the 21 Rio crane! Ooops.
     
     
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does anyone have a before and after picture from auditorium shores? say, around a 05 shot and then a present shot?
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Just now seeing the 1965 and 69 Austin aerials.

Wow; those are cool!!

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Downtown Austin condo market slows down

http://www.statesman.com/business/content/business/stories/realestate/11/26/1126condos.html

Downtown Austin condo market slows down
By Shonda Novak
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Wednesday, November 26, 2008

(edited to combine sentences into things called "paragraphs"...maybe they should teach about them in English class and/or journalism school)

The downturn has hit downtown. A global recession, shattered consumer confidence, frozen lending markets and stock market volatility have cooled the condominium boom that is reshaping Austin's skyline.

Developers of the sleek 360 condominium tower next to the Austin Music Hall have pushed back the timetable for starting another high-rise at West Sixth and Nueces streets. "Any start is dependent on the capital markets next year," said Taylor Andrews, the local partner with Novare Group on the project, which would be a year into construction under the original schedule. Another tower, to replace the current post office, is several years away. Sales at the four towers under construction — the Austonian, the Four Seasons Residences, Spring and W — have slowed to a crawl since the financial crisis exploded in August, although developers all say they have contracts for 45 percent or more of their units. "In the last two months, what we've seen in other parts of the country for the last two years has finally gripped the psyche of Austin," said Devlin McNamara, a vice president with Bank of America Mortgage, a preferred lender on many of the projects. "Everyone's so blown away by the volatility and uncertainty in the markets that they're hesitant to pull the trigger on anything at this point. They're mulling it over in their heads but won't actually commit to anything."

The slowdown is the first break in a wave of residential development that has brought hundreds of new condominiums and apartments and several thousand new residents downtown in the past several years. That development has helped attract new retailers and restaurants and advanced the city's goal of creating a 24-hour urban core, where people could live, shop and be entertained as well as work. In recent years, announcements of bold new projects seemed to come every month. But with the credit crunch, no new project has been announced this year.

Charles Heimsath, a real estate consultant on virtually all downtown projects, said his phone isn't ringing these days. The slower downtown market reflects overall conditions in Austin's housing market, Heimsath said, "and I don't expect the market to pick up until the second quarter of 2009."

Nationally, tightened credit requirements have made it harder for many people to get mortgages, including the so-called jumbo loans needed to buy the higher-priced units in projects such as the 56-story Austonian luxury condominium being built on Congress Avenue and Second Street or the 32-story Four Seasons Residences, going up adjacent to the hotel.

Even if buyers can obtain financing, there's a hitch: "They've got to sell something on the back end to buy something new, and they can't unload their current property" because of the slumping housing market, McNamara said. Sales of pre-owned homes in Central Texas have fallen for 16 months in a row.

Is market overbuilt?

Skeptics have warned for months that the downtown condominium market was overbuilt, and they say sales and prices are poised for double-digit percentage drops in the coming months. Some real estate experts and developers of the four projects disagree, noting that three of the projects won't be completed until 2010 or 2011. By that time, the hope is that the economy will have rebounded. Because the high-rises are so visible, "the misconception of the casual observer is that downtown is or will be overbuilt," said Brett Denton of Ardent Residential, developer of the Four Seasons Residences. "The reality is that the various projects in and around downtown are being delivered at staggered schedules and price points." Nearly half of the Four Seasons' 166 units are under contract, Denton said. There are binding contracts, with nonrefundable earnest money, for about 45 percent of the 159 condos that will be built as part of the 36-story W Austin Hotel and Residences north of City Hall, said Beau Armstrong, chief executive of developer Stratus Properties Inc.

More than half of the 246 units at Spring, under construction at West Third and Bowie streets, are under contract, said Larry Warshaw, one of the developers. When Spring is finished next summer, "it will be the only building where someone can buy a high-end condo in a high-rise in downtown Austin for eight to 10 months — the only one," Warshaw said. But for now, Warshaw acknowledges, "most people are window-shopping and not signing contracts."

Rents dropping on older units

At some older downtown projects, sellers have adjusted to the slowing market by cutting prices. Last month, a "close-out" unit in the 5 Fifty Five luxury condos atop the Hilton Austin sold for $700,000, $85,000 off its original list price. In August, a resale unit there sold for $795,000, $80,000 less than its original price, according to real estate data. In May, a unit in the Austin City Lofts went for $530,000, $45,000 less than its asking price. Eric Winkler, owner of E.J. Winkler Realty Co., said buyers "definitely have the edge in this market." He noted that in a down market, more people could opt to rent, and there are plenty of new apartments coming on the market.

In July, Mike Kennedy and his wife moved from their home of 23 years in Northwest Hills and into the 29-story Monarch apartment building on West Fifth Street. Kennedy said they might ultimately buy a condominium but are taking a wait-and-see approach. "We'll continue to monitor the market," said Kennedy, president of Commercial Texas commercial brokerage firm. Although he wouldn't disclose his rent, Kennedy said he's already seeing some reductions, including in his building. "We thought we got a good deal when we moved in," Kennedy said. "If we were moving in today, we would get a better deal."

Some work on hold until...

Novare Group had been poised to become the biggest downtown condo developer, with a total of more than 1,300 units in its 360 tower and its two others. At 360, which opened over the summer, sales have closed on 391 units, and most buyers have moved in, Andrews said. He said 20 units came back on the market when buyers could not get financing. He said new buyers have stepped in, including for two of the penthouses. But work has yet to start on the next tower, Ovation, planned for West Sixth and Nueces streets, and Novare is eyeing a 2010 or 2011 start for the tower planned for the post office site.

The 34-story 7Rio project at Seventh and Rio Grande streets is on hold indefinitely. Ron Cibulka, a partner with CLB, wouldn't venture a guess as to when it might break ground. "It's all going to come back to the credit markets and how the Austin economy is responding to what's happening in the national economy," he said.

Tom Stacy, who hired noted architectural firm Pelli Clarke Pelli to design two striking towers on Congress Avenue, said the credit freeze has delayed the first phase, a parking garage. "We will start the garage as soon as the capital markets return to some state of normalcy," he said.

If mortgage interest rates decline, that could help spur condo sales, experts said. "In 2009, I see rates falling into the low- to mid-5-percent range and staying there throughout the rest of the year," said David Reed, president of CD Reed Mortgage Bankers. "Lower monthly payments will always help a slowing market." Said Heimsath: "I'm not saying we'll flood the market with contracts, but things will pick up again."

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Well then Stacey is still in the mix so to say, maybe in the next wave of construction in a few years. As dire as the situation sounds some of the developers have put a positive spin on the stagnant sales and even look forward to better times and more projects... gotta love sales people's indomitable spirit/ BS.
     
     
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Of all the current projects, I'm ever thankful the Austonian got off the ground. A new tallest, by a longshot. I can survive a few years without the likes of a 7Rio or Ovation.
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W Sales Office question

I noticed that they are repainting the inside of the W sales office, so everything is covered with plastic. However, the model of the building was seriously hidden by a tarp for a week before that. Is there a chance that they are adjusting the design of the building and now it doesn't match the model? I hope not.

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Old Posted Nov 26, 2008, 4:05 PM
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Of all the current projects, I'm ever thankful the Austonian got off the ground. A new tallest, by a longshot. I can survive a few years without the likes of a 7Rio or Ovation.
In the spirit of Thanksgiving, I'm thankful for this also!
     
     
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Of all the current projects, I'm ever thankful the Austonian got off the ground. A new tallest, by a longshot. I can survive a few years without the likes of a 7Rio or Ovation.
Yep....agree.

Aesthetically, I am glad for the slowdown. Too may cookie cutter projects on the horizon. I think a city matures better visually when you have slow steady growth. Too many buildings built in one period will make a city look more dated 20 years down the road. We were stuck with a mid 80s skyline forever. Now there is more texture....slow and steady is good.

Of course this article will bring all the "I told you so's" out from under the rocks. Well, least I remind some of you before you get rolling.....a few years ago folks were poo-pooing the fact that even one of our current buildings would be built. I guess you get what you look for. How many new buildings do we have with how much sales?

I think this is a natural swing. How many people knew growth nationally was way too rapid and greedy? It will turn around again. People will be cautious for a while. But believe me, while Shonda's over dramatic headline will grab eyes and create more angst for some....there are plenty of smart people making money right now. Ad on the radio yesterday "America is for sale". Yep, time to buy!
     
     
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The Austonian has updated their website. http://www.theaustonian.com

as well as a blog website.

http://www.theaustonianblog.com/
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I noticed that they are repainting the inside of the W sales office, so everything is covered with plastic. However, the model of the building was seriously hidden by a tarp for a week before that. Is there a chance that they are adjusting the design of the building and now it doesn't match the model? I hope not.

Just curious.
They mentioned that they were totally renovating the sales office, but I've heard nothing about design changes.
     
     
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The Austonians site is very nice, the floor plans look great even at some of the prices. Cool interactive stuff like the view ( near actual) I like how the view doesn't show 360, Monarch or Ashton. Yet that is what some people might like to see in the view, those crazy marketers! Thanks Obie for the link,


Edit... the balcony view does show the competition.
     
     
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I really think the "slowdown" has very little to do with the market. Agreed, some people are pulling back on buying and being more cautious. Really though, the problem is that banks aren't lending for either financing for building the projects, or for people to get their loans for their units.
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The crane for 21 Rio is now gone, they must have taken it down over the weekend.
I got a couple of heights back for 21Rio the other day from the architects.

21Rio is:

235 feet 6 inches to the mechanical penthouse parapet. This will be the official height of the building since it's the highest architectural point on the building. At Emporis, it'll be rounded up to 236 feet.

Main roof parapet: 220 feet 6 inches.

Main roof deck (floor) is 217 feet.
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I really think the "slowdown" has very little to do with the market. Agreed, some people are pulling back on buying and being more cautious. Really though, the problem is that banks aren't lending for either financing for building the projects, or for people to get their loans for their units.
The economic "slowdown" is being caused by the credit crunch, so you can't separate them out. And it's far more than "some people". We're talking millions. We're facing a major economic crisis that hasn't been seen since the 1930's, and this is only the beginning. I just returned from a business trip to five Asian countries, and I was hit with the reality of how global this crisis is. Unbelievable!

Some people think that the banks aren't lending, but once they start doing so, then we'll be back on track the way we were several years ago. I don't believe that for one minute. First off, banks are still lending, and people are able to get financing for houses and condos. The big difference now is that the banks are scrutinizing in a way that, had they done so 7 years ago, we wouldn't be in this mess. Before, if you could fog a mirror with your breath, you could get a mortgage. Now banks are looking far more seriously at income and debt ratios before they will even consider lending money. And, the buyers need to come to the table with substantial down payments, which can be tough for many. Creative financing has all but dried up. We're back to the reality of conventional loans and financial obligations. (What? You mean I have to put $50,000 down? You won't finance my downpayment, too???)

You're seeing fewer people able to qualify for mortgages on downtown condos. Plus, people are insecure about their jobs right now. It's going to take a long while for this to shake out.
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Constuction booms in Austin always have happened in chunks of about 7 years starting in the late 60s to mid 70s then 1982 to 1988 and now 2003 to 2009. I am proud of the new additions to our skyline. The fact is simple what is being built now will be the last for a while. The other projects wil get put on hold and then likely dropped. when the economy warrents again in say 5 to 10 years it will happen again with even bigger buildings.
     
     
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