Red Hill Creek Expressway

[DC83]

^^ I think they published that info in The Spec a couple weeks ago, too, rth.

If you look at GoogleMaps.com and search Hamilton, you'll see we have a full highway perimetre now. No need for any more.

Originally Posted by markbarbera

As long as there are individuals holding out on selling their land to finalize the Glancaster business park, all we'll see is development in the nearby residential retail zones.

Fear of loafing in Glanbrook

Mark McNeil
The Hamilton Spectator
(Sep 11, 2008)

New exciting companies haven't exactly been busting down the doors to open in Hamilton in recent years.

Most of them , it seems, want to be closer to Toronto. Or others have been tantalized by new industrial parks in nearby communities such as Brantford. But the big reason business is passing Hamilton by is a lack of greenfield land.

Oh, occasionally, someone goes on a crusade to develop brownfields in the North End. And clearly the city should be promoting former industrial lands and greenfield opportunities at the same time. But the reality is that push seldom comes to shovel on brownfield properties. So, in this context, it is especially disconcerting to see foot-dragging with the much anticipated North Glanbrook Industrial Business Park, which received a $20-million provincial grant to help cover $35 million in servicing costs in 2005.
Incredibly, $18 million of that money is still sitting in reserves waiting to be used while the project sits mired in unsuccessful property negotiations.

The time has come to get on with it and to expropriate if necessary.

[DC83]

Dickering for land stalls city's business park project

September 10, 2008
Elisabeth Johns
The Hamilton Spectator

Millions in provincial dollars slated for a business park project sit unused while the city negotiates with North Glanbrook landowners for property.

The 590-acre North Glanbrook Industrial Business Park project has been in the works since 2005, when a $20-million provincial grant was received.

About 90 per cent, or $18 million, of that hasn't been used yet. The project is estimated to cost about $35 million, with the city making up the difference through development fees.

It is believed it will bring in about 10,000 new jobs.

The city has gone through environmental assessment and design, but the project has been hampered by negotiations with landowners who live near the future park site, said Guy Paparella, director of industrial land and airport development for the City of Hamilton.

The city wants to buy portions of land in the Dartnall Road area to reconstruct and expand streets, including Nebo Road.

The negotiations have been difficult and if one or two stalwart neighbours can't negotiate with the municipality, Councillor David Mitchell suggests the city expropriate those lands to move the project ahead.

"Initially a problem was the lack of trust with city negotiators over property values," said Mitchell, whose ward includes the park project. "The dilemma has been getting to a fair property value."

While most of the landowners want the project to be completed, a couple of neighbours went to the Ontario Municipal Board to rezone their land for residential development but were denied, he said.

"Some people don't want to see it change," Mitchell said.

"I'm hoping there's no expropriation necessary, but in light of how long it's taking, if there's only one person causing grief, we can either pay way more (for their property) or we expropriate it."

City council has directed Paparella to recommend options on the next stage of negotiations.

Mitchell said he expects the city will recommend expropriation, but Paparella would not comment.

Councillor Maria Pearson said she hopes the city and the landowners come to an "amicable agreement" since expropriation can be a drawn out process.

[waughste3]

Does anybody know when the Niagara-bound QEW to Red Hill Valley Parkway ramp will open?

[Millstone]

Originally Posted by waughste3

Does anybody know when the Niagara-bound QEW to Red Hill Valley Parkway ramp will open?

soon, possibly never

[FairHamilton]

Originally Posted by waughste3

Does anybody know when the Niagara-bound QEW to Red Hill Valley Parkway ramp will open?

Hmm. So from what I read above you can't get on the Red Hill from the QEW if you are driving Niagara bound, right? I don't know because I'm never on that stretch of the QEW.

I think it would be important to have that open as it would mean people can easily access that end of the city from the QEW vs. cutting through downtown on Main Street.

Is my understanding of the no ramp from QEW and thinking on traffic correct?

[LikeHamilton]

It was originally scheduled to open the end of November. I do not know if they are on time with the project.

[Millstone]

Originally Posted by FairHamilton

Hmm. So from what I read above you can't get on the Red Hill from the QEW if you are driving Niagara bound, right? I don't know because I'm never on that stretch of the QEW.

I think it would be important to have that open as it would mean people can easily access that end of the city from the QEW vs. cutting through downtown on Main Street.

Is my understanding of the no ramp from QEW and thinking on traffic correct?

I always get you and LikeHamilton mixed up...

You're correct on your observation... it would mainly help those coming in from Burlington to get to Stoney Creek, and make it easier for cars coming off Burlington Street (suburbanites) to get to that end instead of clogging up Centennial.

[flar]

Originally Posted by FairHamilton

Hmm. So from what I read above you can't get on the Red Hill from the QEW if you are driving Niagara bound, right? I don't know because I'm never on that stretch of the QEW.

I think it would be important to have that open as it would mean people can easily access that end of the city from the QEW vs. cutting through downtown on Main Street.

Is my understanding of the no ramp from QEW and thinking on traffic correct?

It could make a difference for Main, but I think the major impact is felt on Barton in the east end (really busy). As far as I know, you come over the Skyway from Burlington and you can't get on the Red Hill, but you can go from Red Hill to either direction on the QEW.


What they really need to do is get this road onto Google Maps and others. Out of town people and GPS users don't know about the Linc-Red Hill short cut.

[go_leafs_go02]

before the Red Hill opened. My family (from London) traveling to visit other familiy (in niagara) never ever cut through Hamilton. We always went on the 403 past aldershot, onto the QEW Niagara.

It should all be done soon. i was there a few weeks ago, and looked pretty close to being completed.

[adam]

After its done people will be able to live even further away from their jobs. Great..

[FairHamilton]

Originally Posted by flar

It could make a difference for Main, but I think the major impact is felt on Barton in the east end (really busy). As far as I know, you come over the Skyway from Burlington and you can't get on the Red Hill, but you can go from Red Hill to either direction on the QEW.


What they really need to do is get this road onto Google Maps and others. Out of town people and GPS users don't know about the Linc-Red Hill short cut.

Yeah, it's been my thought of late to have that info at hand for the distance and time for those highway shortcuts.

It would be handy when 2 way conversion comes up and some councillor says changing to 2 way will slow traffic thus having a negative impact on the environment. You could throw out some well thought out information on highway distances and how cars are more efficient fuel consumption for highway vs. city driving. Then ask them what study/stats do they have to back up their assertions...........

The "save the environment" argument has become the lazy way to justify a position without thought/stats/study. Just say it's bad for the environment and what is the other side going to say? The 2 way proponents can't say "damn the environment", but no matter what's said that's what people will hear. Therefore the other side wins without any work or debate.

Putting together some info to rebuke the environment claim changes the dynamics of the argument.

[raisethehammer]

some more food for thought:

the McMaster air pollution study that used a mobile pollution monitoring device all over the city came back with this finding:
There was a 'ring of elevated pollution levels around Hamilton along the 403, Linc and QEW'.

If 'steady, high speed' car driving is supposed to lower pollution then wouldn't it make sense that highways would have the lowest readings??
The logic is faulty, not surprisingly. People trying to use such environmental arguements to promote one-ways are really only promoting their own speed and selfishness.
Here's the real fact: more cars=more pollution. Less cars=less pollution.

Store that mobile monitoring finding in your brain somewhere for the next time some goofball tries to sound all green and concerned for the environment as their defense of one-way highways downtown.

[flar]

Whaddya know? I just noticed Google Maps has the RHVP on their maps now.

[flar]

Calgary is building a new highway, it's kinda interesting to compare and contrast the sentiments about highway building here and there:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127346

[Millstone]

Originally Posted by flar

Whaddya know? I just noticed Google Maps has the RHVP on their maps now.

Yeah right along with "Dartnell Rd".

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by flar

Calgary is building a new highway, it's kinda interesting to compare and contrast the sentiments about highway building here and there:
http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=127346

LOL...I'd expect such ignorance from Albertans. I love the guy acting like the big shot on the forum with his age-old arguement that more roads help the environment because it allows cars to drive faster.
haha. Not that it matters. They all love pollution as evidenced by the tar sands.

[adam]

Apparently many people living around the tar sands are against further developments.

[MsMe]

Originally Posted by raisethehammer

LOL...I'd expect such ignorance from Albertans. I love the guy acting like the big shot on the forum with his age-old arguement that more roads help the environment because it allows cars to drive faster.
haha. Not that it matters. They all love pollution as evidenced by the tar sands.

And let's hear him squack after they get the law in Alberta about emission tests on their cars which as of yet they don't have. But I am sure it's coming, now that there is a lot more cars on their roads now. And I bet that law is coming sooner then they think too I bet.

[Millstone]

If AB wasn't so far away I'd be there.

[raisethehammer]

Originally Posted by adam

Apparently many people living around the tar sands are against further developments.

a little too late.
It's easy to 'be against' further developments when sick rates are skyrocketing, water sources are destroyed, multi-head fish are showing up, cancer rates are soaring among native groups living off the land nearby etc....
it takes some brains to speak out against this stuff before human lives are sacrificed.