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Originally Posted by Metro-One
Ok, people are getting annoyed with my comments about the credit crisis, well i am getting annoyed with the pessimism about this project. Personally i think it will be large enough to handle the people traffic along this corridor for the next few decades. I think they are good looking trains, and decent looking stations. This is a fantastic addition to the Vancouver transportation network. In 30 years or so, when a major upgrade is needed, so be it, we will probably then lengthen the stations to a 100 meters or so. I think this is good because instead of just having punch out walls and having a 30 year stations with longer platforms we will have entirely new renovated stations.
I am very happy with the Canada line, and i am going to be the first one to ride it on inauguration day. If you guys are so upset with it, then don't ride it. It meets/ exceeds the requirements the government asked for. Train lengths are only one piece of the puzzle. We can have 2 car trains arriving every 1.5 minutes, or 6 car long trains on 120m platforms that arrive every 4.5 minutes, which is very common in other cities, which equals the exact same ridership!
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It's literally impossible to extend the platforms beyond 50-metres, as reasoned by officedweller above. 100-metre platforms would require the entire tunnel be dugged up to have deeper tunnel depths in order to adjust grades necessary for longer platforms.
I'm definitely excited about the new line, but I do believe in building it right the first time and in this case allowing future expansion. The majority of the platforms in 2009 will be 40-metres long, marginally longer than the length of two articulated buses put together (add in a SUV). Those platforms that are 40-metres will be expandable to and
only 50-metres.
You mention how we'll get a "new line" with major renovations and platform extensions in 30 years. That's the case with the Expo Line, which will cost more than $3-billion to complete (and that's for a mainly elevated line). But the difference with the Expo Line is that the planned platform extensions and station renovations were part of the original design for the line - able to be expanded from 80-metres to ~110-metres. Nothing stands in the way of this platform extension: the grades allow it, the track is straight enough, and for the underground stations nothing stands in the way (i.e. tunnel fans).
With the Canada Line, you've got electrical rooms and tunnel fans on the ends of each station. That's on top of all the grading problems with the tunnel, curved tunnel sections, etc.
If the Canada Line was built with 50-metre platforms today and was expandable to 80-metres, that would be a much different story. It would be like the Expo Line in that case. I don't think any of us is calling for super long platforms from the get-go, we just want a much greater future allowance for lengthening.
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It meets/ exceeds the requirements the government asked for.
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InTransitBC has met the requirements barely, hardly exceeding them. The line doesn't even have a capacity of 15,000 pphpd as agreed upon in the contract.....it needs the 10-metre platform extension (and more trains/cars) for that to happen. With the 20 trains we have right now, the max. capacity is something like 8,000-9,000 pphpd......and which begs the questions: who will be responsible for paying the 10-metre platform extension? or the purchase of additional vehicles???
And about the Arbutus corridor, a parallel line would help reduce
some of the congestion on the future Canada Line congestion - but it's not going to be the solution.
Frankly, the Liberal government has digged us into a hole on this one.....a very deep hole with no ledges for climbing out of.
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So stop your bitching because it ain't going to change anything!
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