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Old Posted Nov 4, 2008, 1:09 AM
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^ Cheers to that!
     
     
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I can't wait to see something above street level like freedom tower
     
     
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I can't wait to see something above street level like freedom tower
That'll be sometime next year.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2008, 1:06 AM
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They seem to be much further along on the Tower 4 site than they are on Tower 3,
where it appears they are still blasting...

From tonyalittmann




As a comparison, the Tower 4 foundation...




     
     
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Old Posted Nov 19, 2008, 2:06 AM
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Does anyone know who is doing the concrete on this job?
     
     
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Does anyone know who is doing the concrete on this job?
A little here...
http://www.observer.com/2007/first-const...-silverstein-s-world-trade-center-towers

Silverstein Properties Awards World Trade Center Foundation Contracts


NEW YORK, November 20, 2007 –World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein today announced that Yonkers Contracting Company, Inc. of New York has been awarded contracts to build the foundations for World Trade Center Towers 3 (175 Greenwich Street) and 4 (150 Greenwich Street).

“These contracts are the first part of the actual construction of 150 and 175 Greenwich,” Mr. Silverstein said. “It’s the beginning of the vibrant new business district that we are creating Downtown.”

The towers, which are designed by Pritzker-prize winning architects Fumihiko Maki (150 Greenwich) and Richard Rogers (175 Greenwich), will rise along Greenwich and Church Street, forming what will be the heart of a revitalized Downtown retail, transportation and office corridor.

The foundation awards, valued at more than $40 million, are the first contracts in a $7 billion five-year construction project that will see three new towers on the east side of the historic World Trade Center site.

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Founded in 1946, Yonkers Contracting Company, Inc. (YCC) has worked on many landmark projects including New York’s Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station, emergency repair work on the Brooklyn Bridge, construction of the pedestrian bridge over Route 9A to Manhattan’s Westside waterfront and the USS Intrepid. In 2002, following the World Trade Center attacks, YCC worked for the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey to restore downtown PATH services.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 21, 2008, 3:35 AM
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A word from Larry Silverstein...

http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_290/downtownwillrise.html
Downtown will rise again. It always does



By Larry A. Silverstein
November 21 - 27, 2008

Just as Downtown was enjoying its strongest period of economic development and progress since the attacks of Sept. 11th, Wall St. found itself at the center of the financial hurricane of 2008. Lower Manhattan’s confidence has been shaken for the moment as Merrill Lynch, A.I.G. and the Dow Jones Industrial Average have all taken a hit over the past few months. In times like these — when the economic future of our city, our state and our nation seems less than secure — it is easy to succumb to fear, doubt and cynicism.

It is important, however, to remember back to the period immediately following 9/11 and the dot-com bust — when Downtown lost 50,000 jobs, millions of square feet of office space sat vacant and many so-called experts had written Downtown off for good. Back then, we did not let the prevailing pessimism deter us from the conviction we had about this neighborhood’s future. Nor did we forget the realities of the city’s long-term economic needs.

Lower Manhattan ultimately weathered the worst circumstances any urban center could ever experience. Companies and residents that left the area moved back in record numbers and were joined by a new wave of residents and businesses. The neighborhood’s economy diversified and grew, attracting innovative and creative companies from a wide range of industries. Downtown became a stronger, more diverse, more vibrant and more durable mixed-use community. The people who live and work in this neighborhood are smart — they believed in Downtown, they bet on its future and they were right.

In 2000 Sen. Schumer released his Group of 35 Report, which estimated that the city needed a minimum of 60 million square feet of new office space in the next 25 years just to retain existing office jobs, much less provide space for new ones.

New York needed new office buildings eight years ago — even before tens of millions of feet were lost to the 9/11 attacks and the wave of conversions of older offices to apartment buildings. From 1969 to 1989, Manhattan added almost 100 million square feet of office space — a 36 percent increase. But in the 19 years since, we’ve added only 7 million feet, an increase of under 2 percent. And meanwhile, the city’s office stock is getting older,
which makes it less attractive to first class companies who want state-of-the-art technology and environmental standards.

Our economy is becoming more and more dependent on high-value-added white collar jobs, which in turn require modern office space — for reasons of technology, productivity and recruiting competitiveness. But for a lot of reasons, we’re not really providing anything like the amount needed.

If you add to this the million new residents that Mayor Bloomberg’s 2030 plan projects will be living and working in the city over the next 25 years, it becomes pretty clear why I’m so confident that the space we’re building at the World Trade Center site, as well as all the other office development activity in the rest of the city, will be needed and easily absorbed.

And keep in mind that, through development booms and bust, New York City’s economy has always absorbed every inch of office space that has been constructed. There is no reason to expect this time to be any different.

Along with 7 World Trade Center, the three office towers Silverstein Properties is building on Greenwich St. will be places of great architecture and green design. They will be part of an enlightened urban development that will also include a tribute to the innocent lives lost on 9/11, a grand gateway to Lower Manhattan, a center for performing arts, and the main street of a new Downtown.

By building now, even if demand for offices either Downtown or anywhere else in the city softens temporarily, we will be ready when the New York and U.S. economies rebound. And have no doubt — they will. They always do. With 55 years in the business, I’ve lived and worked through many of these cycles.

Building great office towers at a time like this is also the smartest economic decision we could make. It will serve as an economic stimulus as thousands of New Yorkers will be put to work right now, and it will create the capacity for the new jobs that will be created tomorrow.

Downtown continues to evolve and reinvent itself. Five years from now, it will be something else altogether. A resurgent Lower Manhattan economy anchored by a 21st century global business hub at the World Trade Center will merge with a first-class walk-to-work residential, hotel and tourist community to create a new Downtown.

We’ll have half a million square feet of first-class, destination-quality retail at the base of each of these buildings. Add to this the memorial park, which will be a splendid 8.5-acre destination for 10 million visitors a year. The mass transit system will also be superior. This will be a real center — in every way — for New York City, and a model for cities all over the world.

We cannot let the current turmoil on Wall St. roll back the successes and strides the district has made in the last seven years. The World Trade Center plan we are currently building — envisioned as a thriving, dynamic business hub at the heart of a revitalized global financial center — is the right plan for Downtown and for New York.

Larry A. Silverstein is the president and C.E.O. of Silverstein Properties, which is developing the World Trade Center site.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 12, 2008, 5:53 PM
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Quotes from Silverstein's arbitration victory over the PA:
http://panynj.com/AboutthePortAuthority/PressCenter/PressReleases/PressRelease/index.php?id=1169

STATEMENT BY THE PORT AUTHORITY AND SILVERSTEIN PROPERTIES ON ARBITRATION DECISION REGARDING WTC SITE 2 AND 4

Date: December 12, 2008


"The arbitration panel ruled that work must continue on World Trade Center sites 2 and 4 in order to complete the Port Authority’s site turnover obligations, and as a result the panel reinstated liquated damages effective to October 5.

"The arbitration process quickly resolved this dispute, working exactly as intended, and we appreciate the hard work and professionalism of the three-member panel. Both parties remain 100 percent committed to delivering on our shared commitment to rebuild the World Trade Center. We are also pleased that in their ruling the arbitrators recognized the joint cooperation that has and will continue to exist between the Port Authority and Silverstein Properties in resolving the myriad of complex construction issues that have arisen and will inevitably arise as construction moves forward.

"The Port Authority also has informed Silverstein Properties that it will not meet its December 31, 2008 deadline for the final site turnover obligations, which include tracts of land for Towers 2 and 3 that abut the Number 1 subway box and temporary World Trade Center PATH Station. We will work jointly to resolve the issues that will cause this last deadline to be missed."
     
     
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while i've not been through this entire thread, in my opinion this entire situation of redevelopment has taken entirely too long. It will be nice to finally see some new towers in the old place, but certainly ample room must be given to memorials.
     
     
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while i've not been through this entire thread, in my opinion this entire situation of redevelopment has taken entirely too long. It will be nice to finally see some new towers in the old place, but certainly ample room must be given to memorials.
The memorial is already under construction.
     
     
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WOW the port authority really — bigtime.
     
     
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WOW the port authority really — bigtime.
It can be said (accurately) that most of the WTC delays over the course of rebuilding have come at the hands of the Port Authority. Inexplicable and inexcusable.
     
     
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Quote from an article in the Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122929666634205133.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

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Recession Adds to WTC Troubles

Executives for the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the agency that owns the 16-acre area in lower Manhattan, and private developer Larry Silverstein are in early talks on how to cope with construction problems and the slumping property market. Solutions are likely to include delays to the 2013 targets to complete the office and retail space meant to replace the Twin Towers, according to participants in the talks.

A Port Authority review issued in October was meant to put the project back on track, but plans for the eight million to 10 million square feet of office space at the trade center are up in the air. "We definitely have challenges on the commercial side of the project about timing and raising capital. Those are the things we are talking to Silverstein about," said Port Authority Chairman Anthony Coscia.

The authority's executive director, Christopher Ward, said "discussions are under way to ensure infrastructure and the buildings meet the markets at the right time."

Mr. Silverstein declined to comment. In the past, he has expressed determination to build despite obstacles.

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The economic environment is making it difficult to move forward on speculative office buildings. Debt financing for real estate has dried up, and the banks and financial firms that could fill the towers are reeling. Mr. Silverstein has floated the idea of having the Port Authority use its balance sheet to finance the office buildings, according to people familiar with the talks.

Other ideas include suspending Mr. Silverstein's yearly $79 million lease payments to the Port Authority and directing that money to his buildings. That money comes from insurance proceeds connected to the 9/11 attacks.

Changes being floated include building temporary development "pads" in place of one or two of Mr. Silverstein's towers. The two- to five-story pads would contain retail stores until markets recover, and the office towers could then be built on top. It is unclear whether retailers would be willing to fill such temporary space.
     
     
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2008, 11:17 PM
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Changes being floated include building temporary development "pads" in place of one or two of Mr. Silverstein's towers. The two- to five-story pads would contain retail stores until markets recover, and the office towers could then be built on top. It is unclear whether retailers would be willing to fill such temporary space.
Not that I think things will come to that, but its the same idea floated by the Port Autority three years ago...




     
     
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Old Posted Dec 15, 2008, 11:42 PM
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Huh. It wouldn't be the end of the world, but it would certainly be disappointing until they finished Towers 2 and 3. It looks alot like the original superblock minus the second twin.
     
     
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oh hell no. generic bases to later have to incorporate into the original design. i know that isn't the plan today nut damn, what a bad idea. i really realyl hope it doesn't end up that way
     
     
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Rockefeller Center and the ESB were built during the Great Depression. Surely NYC can manage rebuilding the WTC today.
     
     
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Great progress on the tower. Good to see actual foundations well underway.
     
     
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Agree,

Looking At WTC Earthcam, they added extra spotlight on site 3 and 4 , maybe for working at night and for winter purpose. Progress for tower 4 is noticable. Cranes will rise on the site by 2009.
     
     
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oh hell no. generic bases to later have to incorporate into the original design. i know that isn't the plan today nut damn, what a bad idea. i really realyl hope it doesn't end up that way
It was just an old idea from a few years ago, apparently not resting well in its grave. No one liked the idea of building "podium" placeholders, especially the city. We'll see what progress Silverstein and the PA are making soon.
     
     
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