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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 4:06 PM
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I know when i have company come to town for the weekend they stay at my place.I imagine a safe count would be that just as many people stay at friends or relatives as people who do the hotel.Agree?
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I know when i have company come to town for the weekend they stay at my place.I imagine a safe count would be that just as many people stay at friends or relatives as people who do the hotel.Agree?
Probably a fair statement. That's probably impossible to quantify though.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 5:10 PM
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All i'm really trying to say is moncton is begining to burst at the seams.Small city but big city busy.
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All i'm really trying to say is moncton is begining to burst at the seams.Small city but big city busy.
I hear ya.
I dread the traffic in Dieppe around Christmas.
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All i'm really trying to say is moncton is begining to burst at the seams.Small city but big city busy.

This is the thing that a lot of Haligonians just don't seem to get.....Moncton may only have a CMA population of 130,000 but the city is so convenient to so many other people in the central Maritime region that it can behave like a city 2-3 times that size on the weekends and especially towards the holiday seasons.

I have always found that Moncton seems to have a special type of energy and verve not found elsewhere in the Maritimes. Certainly not in my hometown of Charlottetown (very sleepy) or even in Halifax itself (where I lived for 9 years).

I think that the dynamism of Moncton has been noticed on the national stage. This is why we tend to get major retailers setting up here earlier than in other Maritime communities (sometimes even before Halifax). This is all good.

Now, if only we could do something about the traffic situation.....
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 10:18 PM
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the city is so convenient to so many other people in the central Maritime region that it can behave like a city 2-3 times that size on the weekends and especially towards the holiday seasons.

I have always found that Moncton seems to have a special type of energy and verve not found elsewhere in the Maritimes.

I think that the dynamism of Moncton has been noticed on the national stage. This is why we tend to get major retailers setting up here earlier than in other Maritime communities (sometimes even before Halifax).

Now, if only we could do something about the traffic situation.....
1) Sure Moncton can *seem* like a city bigger than itself on weekends or holidays... don't forget Halifax does all the time, and then WE get an influx of people from all over on weekends and holidays, making US seem larger than we normally are.

2) Halifax has an energy unmatched to anywhere on the planet. I've been to Europe, and many other Canadian cities, and nowhere feels as unique as Halifax.

3) Halifax has more people, therefore will always be leading in the buisness sector, sorry. Burnside Park is about 1/3 the size of the entire central city of Moncton, and it is *just* business, and they are crammed in there, and Burnside is expanding on a weekly basis and there are HUGE additions in the works for the next 2 years that will blow it's current size out of the water.

4) Don't get started on traffic, the best way I can describe Moncton's worst traffic is like Chain Lake Dr. in Bayers Lake park in Halifax on a moderate saturday afternoon. Triple your population, then worry about "traffic." Talk to us again next year when our Tall Ships Festival is going on an our population is estimated at over 1 million for about a week, THEN we are talking traffic issues.

One thing Monctonians always seem to forget is that Moncton is smaller than Halifax, and far less available to real business opportunities. We have the people in Halifax that can support it, our population is growing, and not just from people moving from other parts of the province. Population is here, the reputation is here, and we've got the location.
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Why would anyone want to be big? I love the Maritimes because we are small! We can get anywhere in town in under 7 minutes (except for the half hour of rush hour when it is best to avoid Dieppe). I hope we are never as crowded as New York, Toronto, or Tokyo. Great places to visit, but I'd never want to live there.
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Why would anyone want to be big? I love the Maritimes because we are small! We can get anywhere in town in under 7 minutes (except for the half hour of rush hour when it is best to avoid Dieppe). I hope we are never as crowded as New York, Toronto, or Tokyo. Great places to visit, but I'd never want to live there.
I figure if you want small, stay out of the cities. There's plenty of small towns that are near the cities if that's what you desire.

And personally, I'd love to live in a mega city.
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1) Sure Moncton can *seem* like a city bigger than itself on weekends or holidays... don't forget Halifax does all the time, and then WE get an influx of people from all over on weekends and holidays, making US seem larger than we normally are.

2) Halifax has an energy unmatched to anywhere on the planet. I've been to Europe, and many other Canadian cities, and nowhere feels as unique as Halifax.

3) Halifax has more people, therefore will always be leading in the buisness sector, sorry. Burnside Park is about 1/3 the size of the entire central city of Moncton, and it is *just* business, and they are crammed in there, and Burnside is expanding on a weekly basis and there are HUGE additions in the works for the next 2 years that will blow it's current size out of the water.

4) Don't get started on traffic, the best way I can describe Moncton's worst traffic is like Chain Lake Dr. in Bayers Lake park in Halifax on a moderate saturday afternoon. Triple your population, then worry about "traffic." Talk to us again next year when our Tall Ships Festival is going on an our population is estimated at over 1 million for about a week, THEN we are talking traffic issues.

One thing Monctonians always seem to forget is that Moncton is smaller than Halifax, and far less available to real business opportunities. We have the people in Halifax that can support it, our population is growing, and not just from people moving from other parts of the province. Population is here, the reputation is here, and we've got the location.
Woah there! Tone down the hyperbole. While I don't dispute Halifax has a good vibe, describing it as unmatched on the planet is just ridiculous.

I sincerely doubt anyone is under the illusion that Moncton is larger than Halifax.

I'm not going to comment on the rest of your points because I agree most of them have some truth to them.

Don't forget though. Just because Halifax is biggest, doesn't mean nobody else matters. There are always other places waiting in the wings.
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Old Posted Nov 16, 2008, 11:20 PM
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I figure if you want small, stay out of the cities. There's plenty of small towns that are near the cities if that's what you desire.

And personally, I'd love to live in a mega city.
Absolutely.
Large population doesn't mean crowding and congestion. A well planned city can work extremely well, while a poorly laid out town can be in constant gridlock.
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I figure if you want small, stay out of the cities. There's plenty of small towns that are near the cities if that's what you desire.

There is that option here in the Maritimes, more so than in other more populous areas of the world. Communities like Shediac, Sackville, Hillsborough, Petitcodiac and Salisbury are all in a decent commuting distance of Moncton and provide all the comforts of rural or small town living. Even Riverview (pop. 18,000) feels like a small town because of the relative absence of commercial development.

To be able to live in a rural or small town environment and at the same time be only a half hour drive from the centre of the regional city is a particulary Maritime gift. We should relish it while we still can.
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Yes other parts of the Maritimes matter, but I'm not sure if people Moncton realize this. I have noticed over time that people in Moncton seem to think they are the only ones that are booming and that nothing goes on anywhere else when the truth is that what is going in Moncton is the same as what is going on in Saint John, Halifax Charlottetown, etc.
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1) Sure Moncton can *seem* like a city bigger than itself on weekends or holidays... don't forget Halifax does all the time, and then WE get an influx of people from all over on weekends and holidays, making US seem larger than we normally are.

2) Halifax has an energy unmatched to anywhere on the planet. I've been to Europe, and many other Canadian cities, and nowhere feels as unique as Halifax.

3) Halifax has more people, therefore will always be leading in the buisness sector, sorry. Burnside Park is about 1/3 the size of the entire central city of Moncton, and it is *just* business, and they are crammed in there, and Burnside is expanding on a weekly basis and there are HUGE additions in the works for the next 2 years that will blow it's current size out of the water.

4) Don't get started on traffic, the best way I can describe Moncton's worst traffic is like Chain Lake Dr. in Bayers Lake park in Halifax on a moderate saturday afternoon. Triple your population, then worry about "traffic." Talk to us again next year when our Tall Ships Festival is going on an our population is estimated at over 1 million for about a week, THEN we are talking traffic issues.

One thing Monctonians always seem to forget is that Moncton is smaller than Halifax, and far less available to real business opportunities. We have the people in Halifax that can support it, our population is growing, and not just from people moving from other parts of the province. Population is here, the reputation is here, and we've got the location.

Whoa......touched a nerve did we.

When I stated that Moncton has more energy and verve than Halifax, I was perhaps subconsciously referring to the Halifax that I remember (from the 1980's). It could be that dynamism is on the rise in your fair city and certainly, developments such as Dartmouth Crossing are very impressive but I would however be hard pressed to accept your statement that "Halifax has more energy than anywhere else on the planet".

Regardless of your statements re: traffic in Moncton vs. traffic in Halifax, there is no question that the traffic situation here in Moncton has begun to decompensate over the last several years. I made the comment here recently that perhaps the city and province should consider a metropolitan traffic study to look at the situation. I stand by that. The warning signs are there. If nothing is done soon, the situation could become intolerable.

I do take offense to your statement that "Moncton is less available to real business opportunities". That is just not the case. We are open for business and we in fact have three large industrial parks in our city (Moncton, Caledonia and Dieppe). Individually they are smaller than Burnside but if you combined them, with their hundreds of companies and thousands of employees, you would be very impressed. These industrial parks are also all growing. The next time you drive past Moncton on the TCH, cast your eyes towards the right and look at all the development in the Caledonia Park paralleling the highway. None of that was there 3-4 years ago.

You also imply that population growth in Moncton is only from intraprovincial migration. I know as a fact that substantial interprovincial migration also occurs into Moncton. A study several years ago noted that 13% of new city residents came from Nova Scotia and 9% came from Ontario. Other provinces had lesser totals but overall, more than 1/3 of immigrants to the city came from provinces other than NB.

Finally, re: your last statement, Halifax may have the population but Moncton has the location.
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Whoa......touched a nerve did we.

When I stated that Moncton has more energy and verve than Halifax, I was perhaps subconsciously referring to the Halifax that I remember (from the 1980's). It could be that dynamism is on the rise in your fair city and certainly, developments such as Dartmouth Crossing are very impressive but I would however be hard pressed to accept your statement that "Halifax has more energy than anywhere else on the planet".

Regardless of your statements re: traffic in Moncton vs. traffic in Halifax, there is no question that the traffic situation here in Moncton has begun to decompensate over the last several years. I made the comment here recently that perhaps the city and province should consider a metropolitan traffic study to look at the situation. I stand by that. The warning signs are there. If nothing is done soon, the situation could become intolerable.

I do take offense to your statement that "Moncton is less available to real business opportunities". That is just not the case. We are open for business and we in fact have three large industrial parks in our city (Moncton, Caledonia and Dieppe). Individually they are smaller than Burnside but if you combined them, with their hundreds of companies and thousands of employees, you would be very impressed. These industrial parks are also all growing. The next time you drive past Moncton on the TCH, cast your eyes towards the right and look at all the development in the Caledonia Park paralleling the highway. None of that was there 3-4 years ago.

You also imply that population growth in Moncton is only from intraprovincial migration. I know as a fact that substantial interprovincial migration also occurs into Moncton. A study several years ago noted that 13% of new city residents came from Nova Scotia and 9% came from Ontario. Other provinces had lesser totals but overall, more than 1/3 of immigrants to the city came from provinces other than NB.

Finally, re: your last statement, Halifax may have the population but Moncton has the location.
Most of Moncton's population growth is coming from the Acadian population moving down from the north. Yes, I'm sure there is in migration from outside the province, but the the precentage is low.

"These industrial parks are also all growing."

Yes and so are most industrial parks around the Maritimes. Burnside is growing in leaps and bounds as well as Bayers lake, Woodside, Bedford, etc.

As far as traffic goes I don't think it is all that bad in Moncton really.
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Most of Moncton's population growth is coming from the Acadian population moving down from the north. Yes, I'm sure there is in migration from outside the province, but the the precentage is low.
Population growth in Moncton is not just from unemployed francophones moving down to the city from the Acadian Penninsula. This is a fallacy.

The same study I mentioned above (prepared for the Greater Moncton Chamber of Commerce) found that 62% of immigrants to the city were anglophone and 38% were francophone. More than 1/3 of immigration was from other provinces. Inmigration from elsewhere in NB is pretty well equal from the north and from the south.
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Population growth in Moncton is not just from unemployed francophones moving down to the city from the Acadian Penninsula. This is a fallacy.

The same study I mentioned above (prepared for the Greater Moncton Chamber of Commerce) found that 62% of immigrants to the city were anglophone and 38% were francophone.
Kind of funny that's what the last census indicated was happeing.
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Since we're talking about the Maritimes and how big your city is...

How big is your city???

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Since we're talking about the Maritimes and how big your city is...

How big is your city???


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I think all major centers in atlantic canada are holding thier own and are seeing more construction than recent memory.
Part of what i do at work is hire people so i see some of my own stats.Of course most will be local people that apply,but it's surprising the interest from people returning from out west,ontario,and even central nova scotia.My stat is ten percent are out of province.
As far as companies attracted to what cities I consider myself to be very fortunate to work for a large US curtainwall and glass company with completed jobs like comcast in philly,and trump soho in nyc.
We in the maritimes are getting noticed, the major players look at atlantic canada as one,with this company i work for moncton just happened to be the right location to serve the eastern seaboard.
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