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Old Posted Nov 13, 2008, 2:09 AM
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I agree with this article.

The city needs to do everything in it's power to facilitate an NHL team, but let Balsillie (and basic business common-sense) do the convincing.

With someone who has as much desire and money as Balsillie being behind the city, and with the failed experiments in many US markets this decade and with the economic meltdown that'll hammer those markets further - this is the best chance Hamilton has to getting a team. The last thing we should do is negate those advantages by shooting ourselves in the foot.

Sit tight and don't rock the boat - and it'll happen eventually.
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Council approved only item B from Bratina's motion, that's to send a package to the NHL Board of Govenors.

No letter to the editor to the Globe and Mail and presenation to the NHL Board of Governors.
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Yeah, just look at what Balsillie has done with RIM vs what council has done with Hamilton; let Balsillie do the talking lol.
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Great article by Milton. We all worried about the same thing on here: council screwing everything up with some garbage job at 'promoting' our city.
Just leave it alone. Balsille is doing just fine.
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Yeah, just look at what Balsillie has done with RIM vs what council has done with Hamilton; let Balsillie do the talking lol.
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City councillors still dreaming of NHL franchise
Hamilton Spectator
11/13/2008

The dream of an NHL team still lives at Hamilton city hall.

Councillors have agreed to send an information package to the NHL board of governors about the city, with Mayor Fred Eisenberger describing it as an economic development opportunity.

It comes after an anonymous governor was quoted in the Globe and Mail last month as saying Hamilton was "a minor league town."

Councillor Bob Bratina also wanted council to formally respond to the Globe article, but councillors rejected that idea.
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City councillors still dreaming of NHL franchise
Hamilton Spectator
11/13/2008

The dream of an NHL team still lives at Hamilton city hall.

Councillors have agreed to send an information package to the NHL board of governors about the city, with Mayor Fred Eisenberger describing it as an economic development opportunity.

It comes after an anonymous governor was quoted in the Globe and Mail last month as saying Hamilton was "a minor league town."

Councillor Bob Bratina also wanted council to formally respond to the Globe article, but councillors rejected that idea.
As long as they mean "economic opportunity" for the NHL rather than for Hamilton, it looks like council did two things right here.
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Nobody is going to take counsel seriously. I've recently corresponded with a couple of them and they can't even get spelling and grammar right in their emails. One response was almost impossible to understand.
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As long as they mean "economic opportunity" for the NHL rather than for Hamilton, it looks like council did two things right here.
they definitely mean 'ecdev' for the city.
these guys are clueless.
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It sounds like to me they'll send each memeber of the NHL Board of Governors those new flash cards that contains everything about Hamilton.
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Is not also somewhat lame to try to lie to everyone (and ourselves) and pretend that we don't need an NHL franchise here?

I think its very transparent to try to frame this debate like somehow we're the one's doing the NHL a huge favor by allowing them to relocate a struggling franchise in our City.

Let's call it like it is. It's a big ol WIN - WIN for both the NHL and Hamilton, we need an NHL team as badly as they need to dump their failing franchises for winning ones.

They're clearly trying to play their cards close to the vest and letting on like some of their teams aren't in big big trouble. We're ridiculing them for lying about the direstraits some teams are in, we'll be ridiculed as well for trying to pretend that we don't desperatly need an NHL team for ECDEV purposes.
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When you're dealing with the NHL (specifically Bettman), lying and dressing up the truth is your only option.
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Balsillie to make another bid for Predators
RIM co-founder to make an offer for 27% of NHL team

Canadian billionaire Jim Balsillie, whose fervent desire to bring another NHL team to Canada has made him the scourge of league officials, is expected to make his third attempt in less than two years to purchase an NHL franchise.

Sources say Mr. Balsillie, the 47-year-old co-founder of the BlackBerry and lifelong hockey fanatic, is considering the final terms of an offer to acquire a 27% minority stake in the Nashville Predators, whose backer filed for bankruptcy last June.

The details and price have mostly been negotiated for the bid, which now rests with Mr. Balsillie to determine whether he wants to go ahead with the risky venture for the team, which has an estimated book value of US$30-million. If he proceeds, sources say a final offer is to be filed for approval with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in the Northern District of California within a few weeks.

This will be Mr. Balsillie's third attempt to purchase a franchise, and his second effort to go after the Predators, but with this latest bid, the businessman appears to be changing tactics -- and it just might work.

By seeking to purchase a minority stake in an NHL team rather than outright control, he may be demonstrating a willingness to be a team player.

Mr. Balsillie would not comment, but sources say he desperately wants membership in the exclusive sports league and may be willing to play by the NHL's rules, rather than challenge them outright.

It is a dramatic turnaround for the tenacious Canadian businessman with a reputation among some league officials, and particularly league commissioner Gary Bettman, as a one-issue maverick bent on bolstering the Canadian portion of the league.

"I think his way of doing business is in stark contrast to what the Board of Governors is all about. It flies in the face of what Bettman is trying to do," observes Wayne McDonnell Jr., a clinical assistant professor of Sports Management at New York University.

What hasn't changed is Mr. Balsillie's desire to repatriate a team to Canada.

That's why the 27% minority stake is key. If this bid is successful, Mr. Balsillie would become an alternate governor for the team and would be eligible to attend meetings of the NHL's board of governors. The rookie owner could then try to force the Canadian relocation onto the agenda from the table, rather than taking shots from the sidelines.

The NHL is closely monitoring the machinations in the California bankruptcy court and is well aware of Mr. Balsillie's latest move.

"He's certainly free to pursue that interest and we'll play the normal role in approving or considering any new owner," William Daly, NHL deputy commissioner, told the National Post in a recent interview.

"I don't know what's in his mind and I don't know Jim well enough to speculate," Mr. Daly responded when asked about Mr. Balsillie's latest gambit. "Who knows what his motivations are and what he's trying to do and not trying to do."

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A fiercely passionate hockey fan, who grew up near Peterborough cheering for the Montreal Canadiens, Mr. Balsillie is an intensely focused businessman worth an estimated $1.97-billion.

The co-chief executive of Research in Motion Ltd. has named the Waterloo, Ont.-based company's boardrooms and conference rooms after retired hockey legends Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Frank Mahovlich, Bobby Hull, Guy Lafleur, Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky.

"I'm going to get my name on the [Stanley] Cup one way or another," he said when he offered to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins in October, 2006, for US$175-million from a consortium led by NHL all-star Mario Lemieux.

"What Canadian boy wouldn't do it [buy an NHL team] if he could?"

That dream ended bitterly two months later when he withdrew his offer after a dispute over two dozen conditions imposed by the league, including a seven-year prohibition from relocating the team.

Five months later, however, all seemed forgiven. By May, 2007, Mr. Balsillie was in Mr. Bettman's Manhattan office wielding a letter of intent in which he agreed to pay a whopping US$220-million for the Nashville Predators, an ailing U.S. Sun Belt team that Forbes business magazine had valued at half the price.

The NHL commissioner marvelled at the Canadian hockey fan with the deep pockets willing to dole out a princely sum for an ailing franchise in a bid that would raise the market value of the league's other 29 franchises.

That was until Mr. Balsillie began talking publicly about moving the Predators out of Nashville, and relocating the team to Hamilton, Ont. To punctuate the point, he initiated a ticket campaign that attracted over 10,000 paid-season ticket holders, easily trumping the number of seat holders in Nashville.

Mr. Bettman and his associates at NHL's head office seethed, worried that the public musings about relocation and the ticket drive further destabilized the fragile franchise in Nashville, where the league insisted on keeping the team.

After months of backroom manoeuvring, Mr. Balsillie wound up empty handed. His lucrative bid for the Predators was snubbed last year in favour of a community-based group that had tabled an offer US$27-million lower than his.

Hockey fans and pundits in Canada cried foul, claiming the NHL and Mr. Bettman stacked the pads against Mr. Balsillie. Worse for the league, its most loyal customers denounced the NHL as anti-Canadian.

Publicly, league officials dismissed the allegations, while privately they decried Mr. Balsillie as a rich rogue player who defies all the rules.

"What I can say is from our owners' perception that there is a concern that there is a refusal to abide by the proper processes to become an owner in the league," Mr. Daly said of Mr. Balsillie's past attempts at purchasing NHL franchises.

Sources say Mr. Balsillie understands that his chances at restoring his reputation improve significantly as a member of the club rather than an outsider.

The Canadian businessman had attempted to buy the 27% preferred equity stake in the Predators before its financier filed for bankruptcy, but the NHL was lukewarm on the idea. William "Boots" Del Biaggio, the financier for the Tennessee-based franchise, filed for bankruptcy last June amid allegations of fraud, and his minority interest in the NHL club has been part of a liquidation process under the supervision of a court-appointed trustee.

Since then, officials for Mr. Balsillie have travelled to California to meet with the bankruptcy trustee to hammer out details and garner support from the creditors' committee.

The minority stake would make Mr. Balsillie the second-largest owner of the Nashville Predators, giving him a number of contractual rights that would allow him to buy out his co-partners' shares after two years if the team sustains cumulative losses of US$20-million or if it fails to maintain average attendances levels at 14,000 a game or more.

Conversely, Mr. Balsillie could "put" his shares to David Freeman and the rest of the local Nashville-based group of investors -- Predators Holdings LLC -- forcing them to buy him out after two years if the team successfully meets its financial criteria. In other words, Mr. Balsillie could keep his options open and even wait for the opportunity to buy another team as a majority owner.

Still, even if he is successful in court, Mr. Balsillie needs the blessing of NHL Commissioner Mr. Bettman, and the league's 30 governors, which endorse any changes in the ownership of clubs.

Despite the turbulent history, some NHL officials may be ready to forgive the deep-pocketed Canadian businessman, especially with a souring U.S. economy, says Prof. McDonnell.

"Some owners will bite their tongues even though they don't like certain people," he said, "because they believe those people can bring cachet and asset value to the league."

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Mr. Bettman's game plan is to grow hockey in the United States in non-traditional markets where college football and basketball attract most of the disposable income earmarked for sports.

Since the 56-year-old lawyer from Queens, N.Y. assumed the helm in February, 1993, the NHL has expanded by six teams and all but one (Ottawa) has been located in U.S. cities, most of them in the south.

Mr. Bettman's mandate has also seen two labour disputes which resulted in lockouts, including the cancellation of the entire 2004-05 season.

His march to expand the league's footprint across the United States and away from traditional hockey markets, as well as relocating the NHL's head office to New York from Montreal, has garnered him criticism in Canada.

"It's embarrassing for him when he gets booed by the fans -- they aren't remembering other things he's done for the game," says Prof. McDonnell, who worked as a financial analyst and accountant at Madison Square Garden in New York.

He may be unpopular with the fans, but Mr. Bettman's iron-grip over the league is a sign that most of the 30 team owners and the league's Board of Governors, who appointed him to modernize the league and expand its markets, appear content with his track record.

Under his tutelage, hockey has grown from a business worth hundreds of millions into an estimated US$4-billion a year industry. (Compare that to US$6.5-billion for Major League Baseball and US$7-billion collected annually by the National Football League.)

The six Canadian teams – Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens, Ottawa Senators, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers and Vancouver Canucks – generate just over 30% of the NHL's net revenues.

That figure is buttressed by a national broadcast contract – estimated at just under US$150-million – the league signed with the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. to broadcast the Canadian teams nationally.

Compare that to the estimated US$80-million broadcast deal the NHL has signed in the U.S. with Versus, a cable network with limited branding and reach, to broadcast the 24 American teams.

In both cases, the broadcast revenues are shared by all 30 NHL clubs.

"God Bless the Canadians. The fact that they love hockey so much is great for us, and great for our business," concedes Mr. Daly.

Still, the NHL's deputy chairman, who negotiates the broadcast contracts, maintains that the lucrative Canadian national rights are "not necessarily attributable" to the Canadian clubs.

"It's a reflection of the popularity of the NHL, not the six Canadian clubs. They aren't the ones generating the estimate of TV revenues, it's the National Hockey league that is generating those revenues," he explained. "We look at them as league deals."

None of the six Canadian NHL teams are currently receiving funds as part of the league-wide revenue-sharing assistance program, due in large part because of the stronger Loonie.

The NHL's revenue-sharing pool is comprised of money collected from the top 10 revenue generating clubs and distributed to the league's most financially challenged teams. The 12 clubs currently receiving assistance are U.S.-based teams, most of them located in sunbelt states.

At least half of those teams – Atlanta, Phoenix and Nashville – are struggling financially, despite repeated denials by NHL head office.

Court documents filed in October by the Nashville owners suggest otherwise. Predators Holdings LLC, the partnership group that owns the club, petitioned the California bankruptcy court for damages of up to US$100-million, as a result of Mr. Del Biaggio's bankruptcy without factoring in the effects of a deteriorating U.S. economy.

The group claims the fair market value of the team, which was purchased for US$193-million in December, 2007, has been reduced by 15% -- or US$27-million -- since Mr. Del Biaggio filed for bankruptcy protection. As well, the team calculates an estimated loss of between US$5-million to US$10-million annually – as much as US$50-million in lost revenue – as a result of diminished sponsorships, ticket sales and other revenue streams.

Still, Mr. Daly told the Post the NHL is not concerned about the Predators' financial health, because "there is no apparent stress in terms of [the current owners] meeting their financial obligations to the club."

Some league officials are privately incredulous over the NHL's sanguine view of the slumping economic conditions and are expected to express concern about worsening debt levels of some of the teams at the board of governors meeting next month.

Prof. McDonnell says the NHL's senior brass recognizes there are weak markets but is desperately trying to manage them.

"I think Bettman's thought process on this is if he were to relocate a franchise it would be an admission of failure," he explained.

More importantly, he says the NHL commissioner is determined to avoid setting a precedent by allowing one team to move because others in similar financial straits will want to do the same.

"I am a firm believer that at least one of these struggling U.S. teams should be relocated to Canada," says Prof. McDonnell. "I think the NHL recognizes there are fragile markets but are concerned about setting a trend that they probably can't control in the long term."

At the same time, Mr. Bettman wants to avoid a potential showdown with the NHL's most valuable franchise – the Toronto Maple Leafs, worth US$448-million according to Forbes business magazine – and the Buffalo Sabres.

The league's constitution grants territorial rights to the 30 teams, outlining "each member shall have exclusive territorial rights in the city in which it is located and within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits," known as the club's "home territory."

Teams also have exclusive control over its "home territory," and each club can prohibit hockey games from being played on its turf without their consent.

In other words, existing hockey teams have the right to veto relocation of other clubs within an 80-kilometre radius of their own market.

Confusing matters further is a league bylaw that prohibits relocations, although Mr. Bettman has said a majority vote by the governors could give a team the right to move into another club's turf. But another clause in the NHL constitution says such a move would require a unanimous vote by all the teams.

Thus, Mr. Balsillie's desire to relocate a team to Canada could force the NHL to confront the sensitive issue of enforcing territorial rights.

Rather than risk a messy, internecine battle, the league head office sticks to its mantra of no expansion, no relocation and no contraction.

"We have 30 teams in 30 markets and we're not looking to expand," says Mr. Daly when asked why the NHL has not studied whether southern Ontario could support another franchise. "We're hoping to avoid any need to relocate a franchise and we want to make our franchises as healthy as they can where they are."

After 15 years at the helm of the NHL, Mr. Bettman is protecting his legacy, observes Prof. McDonnell, and "if clubs start relocating, it reflects badly on the teams, its owners, the league and head office and raises questions about Bettman's leadership."

Against this backdrop, Mr. Balsillie is winding up to take another shot.

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MPP's petition seeks NHL team for Hamilton

Nov 24, 2008 04:30 AM
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Kevin Flynn knows a thing or two about the glory of the "derby," in all its grudge-holdin', braggin' right (if occasionally unruly) expression of local pride.

This is not just because Flynn represents the provincial riding of Oakville, between Toronto and Hamilton, where one of the great local rivalries in Canadian sport continues to be played out in the annual Labour Day football classic between the Argos and Ti-Cats.

No, the Liberal MPP was born in Liverpool, which is its own special derangement. For instance, more than half a dozen Liverpool soccer players have had their houses burgled recently while busy playing for the fabled Reds. It's just that kind of place – local celebrity no immunity from traditional local pastimes.

Flynn was steeped in the crosstown rivalry known as the Merseyside Derby. He is an avid Everton supporter. His brother, "an equally intense Kopite" (and plainly the brains in the family), backs Liverpool. It is, as sibling rivalry goes, a classic of its kind – as neighbours split by ardour for Man U and Man City, AS Roma and Lazio, or Celtic and Rangers would appreciate.

Since arriving in the new world, Flynn has caught the hockey bug, sharing season's tickets three rows from the back of the Air Canada Centre. But in a town where the last good derby was a tavern named in honour of brown ones, there remains, alas, something lacking.

Flynn thinks Greater Toronto could use a little of the spirit that flows from such things. To that end, he's been promoting the location of a second National Hockey League team in the Golden Horseshoe, preferably Hamilton.

"The Toronto Maple Leafs are the NHL's most valuable team, evidence that we have some of the greatest hockey fans in the world," he says. "A second NHL team would be a great benefit to our local economy and the province."

The Los Angeles area and New York have more than one team, he says. Why not us?

There was enthusiasm last month when rumours made the rounds that the NHL board of governors was considering relocating a franchise or expanding into the GTA – if for no other reason than some local competition might prompt the Leafs' owners to build a championship contender rather than managing an "investment vehicle."

But NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman was quick to talk down the possibility, acknowledging the southern Ontario market could support another franchise but that no such initiative was even under study.

Still, you don't come out of Liverpool without a bit of a stubborn streak, especially when someone tells you that something you think makes good sense can't be done.

So Flynn – a little worried at first about pursuing an idea that might, during an economic downturn, seem trite, but soon coming to see the potential economic benefits – has been gathering petitions in support of his campaign and submitting them in the Legislature.

If nothing else, it does add a slightly unusual turn to the usual list of whereases.

"Whereas competition in both business and sports is healthy for both the Hamilton and Greater Toronto Area economy and sports team performance, and

"Whereas despite having the most loyal fans in the world, the Toronto Maple Leafs have not won the Stanley Cup in over 40 years, and

"Whereas, Hamilton and Greater Toronto Area fans deserve competitive professional hockey teams... "

Petitions (which require original signatures) can be faxed to like-minded enthusiasts by calling Flynn's office at 905-827-5141 or online at www.kevinflynn.onmpp.ca.

Sign one and, as Flynn's brother knows, you'll never walk alone.
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I thought this article from Di Ianni was revealing.....

Hamilton and the N.H.L: An Impossible Dream?

By Larry Di Ianni
(posted November 13, 2008)

Good for Councillor Bob Bratina for wanting to take the case directly to the NHL Board of Governors to ensure they hear why it would make sense to relocate an NHL franchise in our city. Councillor Bratina understands the importance of the NHL to our downtown and to our community. I am not sure the Mayor is the best salesman for the job, with all due respect to his office. He needs to be part of the action, but I am not sure we need an official table team presenting to the governors, with all the hoopla and media attention that process implies. I suggest the team be headed up by local Hamilton business heavyweights. The Board of Governors are not hockey fans. They are business people. And as such, they only understand the power of money and profit. That is why a table team comprised of some of Hamilton’s most ardent and successful business supporters should be quickly struck to talk sense into Bettman and his board. Betteman is not looking after the interest of the league by shutting our community out and only a business elite, preferably on the quiet, can make the point rather than the Mayor who is expected to champion his city whether there is justification in his argument or not.

There is not a shortage of such heavyweights in our community. Try some of these names: David Braley, Bob Young, Joe Ng, Ron Foxcroft, Charles Juravinsky, Ron Joyce, James Balsillie, Mark Chamberlain, Chris Ecklund. I am sure these good folks would see it as a civic duty to explore an NHL option for us.

In fact there is a website dedicated to NHL hockey in Hamilton, and it is found at http://www.hockeynightinhamilton.com/

Councillor Bratina is on the right track and I hope he doesn’t let up on his idea because it is worth pursuing. I just hope he does it quietly and out of the glare of publicity which will only harden positions.

A bit of history might be instructive. The community doesn’t know how close we came to actually receiving a franchise here during my tenure as Mayor. The press, both local and remote, wrote about the idea many times, but the actual events have never been told.

It happened this way. I was approached on the quiet by a lawyer for a very deep-pocketed individual from out of town who wanted to purchase a floundering NHL team and, if conditions became right, move the team to Hamilton. When I first heard about this story, I was very sceptical. Hamilton had been through too much heartache to be chasing pots of gold at the end of imaginary rainbows. I would have none of the proposal, especially because the deep-pocketed businessman wanted to remain anonymous. And he wanted anonymity because of the ultra-sensitive negotiations happening in the States.

Before I proceeded with any discussion with the representative, I insisted on speaking directly with the potential owner. It was arranged on the condition that I neither reveal his identity, nor admit that even a conversation had taken place. I agreed.

When I spoke to Jim Balsillie I asked the obvious question: why Hamilton? Mr. Balsillie assured me that his intentions were serious. We had a hockey arena; he had the money, the interest and lived not too far from Hamilton. He also thought our city would provide a great market in southern Ontario for a franchise. He was also willing to invest in upgrading Copps. We talked about these issues, and I followed up with many more detailed discussions with his representative. In fact, the deal discussed was much bigger than just an NHL team, and it would have been a ‘big bang’ transformational proposal for our downtown.

My next step was to engage the HECFI management and Board with a plan to accommodate a potential NHL franchise into Copps. The Board was told that the deal was a long-shot, but that should it occur, we needed to demonstrate a willingness to host a team. Councillor Terry Whitehead was very helpful and became the city’s spokesperson on the file. As per prior agreement with the potential owner’s representative, I was asked to always express scepticism, lest the American sellers, whose intent was on keeping any team in the States, balk at any deal. It was also made very clear by the Balsillie group that any move to Hamilton was always dependent on either the courts or the Board of Governors giving their okay. No one was going to hijack any team to our city in the middle of the night. I saw the long odds in this proposal; therefore, it was very easy to be sceptical.

I kept in close touch with NHL proceedings in the U.S. There were a number of teams rumoured to be on the selling block. Mr. Balsillie made his move for the Pittsburgh Penguins, and committed some serious money to the NHL. He had major hurdles to overcome before he could get agreement to move the franchise, and that proved to be the toughest nut to crack. The other nut was Gary Betteman.

Gary Betteman is the obvious problem for Hamilton. Even recently, and after the initial attempt for Pittsburgh, Mr. Balsillie tried to purchase the Nashville Predators to again move the team to Hamilton. It was blocked by Betteman. A court challenge under the competition act was put forward and it affirmed that the league would not have the power to veto a team coming into Southern Ontario. However, Betteman has stated categorically that, under his watch, this will not happen. At the same time some unwise Board of Governor members have said very disparaging things about our city, until recently to no one’s complaint. Thank goodness Councillor Bratina is speaking up!

But this is where the local community leaders who know many of the owners, I’m sure, would be most helpful. They could help make the case for our community. Their collective good will and ambassadorship might be just the tonic that’s needed to put this city on the right course for a long-awaited NHL franchise. Their ace in the hole is the marketing possibilities for a team right here in our community. This team opens up the whole southern Ontario/N.Y. State markets that the Sabres and Leafs are not able to capitalize on.

I know many of us would be lining up to purchase season’s tickets if that were to happen. I also believe the corporate community needs to come to the table with letters of intent to purchase sky boxes. As we know, fan support is great, but corporate support is essential. We can only live in hope!
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At least he didn't try to blame it on his usual McHattie/CATCH bogeyman.
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At least he didn't try to blame it on his usual McHattie/CATCH bogeyman.
Maybe Gary Betteman is actually a political party masquerading as an NHL commissioner.
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