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Old Posted Nov 9, 2008, 7:01 AM
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The IRS already watches the LDS Church like a hawk. I work in the tax world and have many friends in it as well. My understanding from some of them who work at the church is that they have the IRS with them all the time. I am sure that the IRS watches what they do and that the church has not overstepped its bounds in regards to its 501(c)(3) status. Everyone loves to argue that the tax-exempt status should be yanked. I say, read the entire section of the revenue code in relation to the various types of tax-exempt status. Don't forget the Revenue Rulings, Revenue Procedures and the Tax Court Cases as well. It is overwhelming and in no ways am I an expert in it but I do think that the church takes all precautions to make sure that they stay within the boundaries that have been set by the government for a 501(c)(3).
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2008, 7:09 AM
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The IRS already watches the LDS Church like a hawk. I work in the tax world and have many friends in it as well. My understanding from some of them who work at the church is that they have the IRS with them all the time. I am sure that the IRS watches what they do and that the church has not overstepped its bounds in regards to its 501(c)(3) status. Everyone loves to argue that the tax-exempt status should be yanked. I say, read the entire section of the revenue code in relation to the various types of tax-exempt status. Don't forget the Revenue Rulings, Revenue Procedures and the Tax Court Cases as well. It is overwhelming and in no ways am I an expert in it but I do think that the church takes all precautions to make sure that they stay within the boundaries that have been set by the government for a 501(c)(3).
No, it's just they allow too much bending of the rules.

How many churches are allowed to endorse candidates for presidents and nothing happens? A lot. If you're going to stake out a position in the public and use your power to influence support, then you should pay taxes.

I wonder how Mormons would feel if every other faith decided to band together and endorse the idea of banning LDS marriages? That means no Mormons could marry, I bet the LDS Church would shit a brick, protest like crazy and demand equality.

But like I said, no one cares because it's the gays. The fags should just sit down, shut up and enjoy being a half-citizen. If they want to marry, they should find a suitable person of the opposite sex, right?

The LDS Church did more than just lend its voice to the cause, they pumped in millions of dollars into it. Don't you love it? Religions can persecute, speak out on politics, endorse candidates, throw money at political causes like any other political organization, except they don't get to pay taxes.

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Section 501(c)(3) describes corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literacy, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in section (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distribution of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.
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In general, no organization, including a church, may qualify for IRC section 501(c)(3) status if a substantial part of its activities is attempting to influence legislation (commonly known as lobbying). An IRC section 501(c)(3) organization may engage in some lobbying, but too much lobbying activity risks loss of tax-exempt status.
http://www.irs.gov/irb/2004-22_IRB/ar09.html

It seems all the LDS Church does now-a-days, along with my own church, is lobby against the gays. The letter of the law may not have been violated, but the spirit of the law was. And unfortunately, too many religious organizations are allowed to push the law without any blow back, giving them the opportunity to push even more. When will the line be drawn?

It's unfortunate, especially from a religion that was persecuted themselves so many years ago.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2008, 8:32 AM
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I am quite saddened by the bigotry I've seen in this forum.

I really thought that many of you were educated enough to not let something political get in the way of development news, and to not discriminate so openly.

It would be greatly appreciated if all discussion about gay marriage ceased in this thread, and that we return to discussion of Salt Lake City development.

Afterall, that's why this thread was started. So please, put all of your pety squabbling about political matters aside and just discuss development.

I appreciate all who tried to divert discussion from this with the posting of pleas and development pictures.

IMO, if you keep squabbling on political matters here, instead of in the link provided by Viperlord, then this forum has no place for you.

Please be respectful to all of us who just want to discuss development, and not politics.
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 9, 2008, 7:47 PM
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I need to get my butt downtown and take some photos. I've been lazy and haven't done it much this year.

Oh well.
     
     
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North Temple in 1971. Notice the LDS Church Office Building under construction.

     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 6:09 AM
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Yes, I have asked any further conversation about the Gay rights to please be carried on in the designated thread I posted awhile back. That is what the forum administrators set that thread up for. Any further discussions on this thread will be deleted and removed.

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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 6:38 AM
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Thankyou Viper, Your help is much appreciated.
     
     
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speaking of snow! Ill repost that pic that delts posted yesterday. I love when there is thick blanket on the valley floor all the way to the tops of the mountains!


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( A change in subject. )

Each day when I drive to work on I-15 I enjoy looking over and seeing the Salt Lake City skyline to the east. lately it's been a treat to see all the cranes and seeing 222 South Main reaching to the sky.
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 7:49 PM
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Alright now back to development!
     
     
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 9:38 PM
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Old Posted Nov 10, 2008, 10:02 PM
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I hear that currently the national unemployment rate is sitting at 6.5%... not good in any way, but nothing near historic lows. I think Utah is much lower than this number (~4 - 4.5%?)

Despite all of the gloom surrounding the economy on a global scale many companies here in Utah are still pretty healthy from what I read/hear.

My company for example has actually grown from ~700 employees on Jan 1 of this year to ~1,250 currently (about half of that growth was here at the Utah HQ. The other half was spread out between our 4 other offices here in the US and 10 outside of North America.) I would say up to 1/2 our employees (at least in my dept) commute from SL County.

It does worry me, however, that Salt Lake hits higher highs but also lower lows than the national average. History shows that we could dip under the national average in the coming year.
     
     
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The Salt Lake City Council meeting coming up here next week on the 13th could be interesting to see if anything new comes about from the developers: Does anyone know if it is open to the public?

http://www.slcgov.com/council/agendas/2008agendas/Nov%2013/11132008.pdf

Salt Lake City Council

AGENDA

City Council Chambers
City & County Building
451 South State Street, Room 326
Salt Lake City, Utah
Thursday, November 13, 2008
7:00 p.m.


A. WORK SESSION: 3:00 p.m. Room 326, City & County Building, 451 So. State St. (Items from the following list that Council is unable to complete in Work Session from approximately
3:00 – 6:30 p.m. will be addressed in a Work Session setting following the Consent Agenda.)
1. The Council will receive a briefing from Professor Arthur Chris Nelson, University of Utah Presidential Professor of City and Metropolitan Planning, regarding a presentation on his study of population growth along the Wasatch Front to the year 2040.
2. The Council will receive a briefing from Doug Hattery and Val John Halford of the Wasatch Front Regional Council, relating to the Regional Council’s current plans to accommodate growth along the Wasatch Front, including its State Street Livability Study.
3. The Council will receive an update on the progress of the City Creek Center Project from Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Presiding Bishop H. David Burton.
4. The Council will receive a briefing from Jake Boyer, of the Boyer Company regarding the view of long-term growth in Salt Lake City and the Gateway’s relationship to the growth.
5. The Council will receive a briefing from N. Thompson “Tom” Bard, Principal of ScanlanKemperBard Companies of Portland, owner of Trolley Square.
6. The Council will receive a panel briefing from various land developers of the Downtown area.
7. Report of the Executive Director, including a review of Council information items and announcements.
Yes, this meeting is open to the public. I think it is primarily just an update on the current state of things, but should be informational.
     
     
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Has anyone been inside Trolley Square lately? I'm curious to see what it looks like now..?
I have a ton of pictures, but would need to spend a ton of time uploading them. Much of the main building has been gutted and received seismic upgrades. The skylights have all been reglazed, with some new ones installed. The movie theater site has been gutted. No clue what is going in there, but it could be a really cool space. The large massive mechanical equipment above the western stairs has been removed, which really opens up that area of the mall. Williams Sonoma has expanded again. The Pub is going to move it's brewery to the second level. The floors have been stripped of 30 years of wax. A new glass elevator is being installed in the main hall. The retail spaces have been reconfigured to meet current retail needs.

On the outside, Pottery Barn is about to begin it's expansion into the vacant portion of the building that they are in. The west side retail buildings on top of the parking garage will begin construction soon.
     
     
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Drove past Marmalade today and they were unloading what looked to be street lamps that were black and looked to be quite nice. I would imagine that these will go in front of the buildings they are building. There looks to be two buildings that they are putting in right now. The building furthest to the south looks like the foundation walls are now in and that they had the forms in for the building north of that one. It also looks like the buildings will be right up against the sidewalks with possible parking behind the buildings I would assume. I will grab some photos later this week. Great to see part of this project finally moving.

On another note, I spoke with a client today who owns a tri-plex in that area. He is a realtor as well. He said that he attended a meeting just recently where they laid out the light rail plans coming to Bountiful via 400 West and Beck Street. Also, that they plan to rezone the area around the trax lines for TOD's. This should really help the northern entrance to downtown along the Beck Street, 300 West and 400 West corridors.
     
     
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My heart always skips a beat when I hear of rezoning for TOD's. That's great news T-Mac! I look forward to the change we're going to see in that northern quadrant over the next 10-20 years.
     
     
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Thanks for the update cololi. I'll have to make a trip over there to see it for myself.
     
     
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