Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[Boiseguy]

Originally Posted by Orpheum

I agree, and that's why I went to the first part at the park, and then I marched as far as their corporate headquarters. That's where my friends and I protested. I wasn't OK with protesting around their temple, I respect their beliefs. See, even when there is no visible line to cross, I still know when to stop. I wish the LDS church could say the same.
Anyway, when the crowd moved down to the gates of temple square, we went to get burgers. oK fine.. I had a chicken sandwich.. I cannot tell a lie.

lol... that's cute...
there certainly is a culture war going on in this country, and its sad that the real issues are clouded by picking a side and just fighting tooth and nail without understanding on both sides. Gay marriage wasn't going to cause all those things to happen that the Yes promoters said. And due respect for religious beliefs can and should be tolerated as well. I just think its sad that bandwagon mentality is happening now, where families and individuals are now going to feel at odds whether they be church members or GLBT. If the vote stands, or if it is overturned (which I think it will be) after all this.. in the end.. we all lose.. to some degree

[Viperlord]

I know that this involves SLC because there was a protest here last night. But please continue all Gay rights discussions in the following forum.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=160363

I dont want to divert this forum too far from its intended purpose, and I know that you guys are great as sidetracking on random discussions, so I am going to take the inititive and ask that we take our discussions to the link that I posted above.

Thanks for your time,

-Viperlord

[Boiseguy]

Originally Posted by Viperlord

I know that this involves SLC because there was a protest here last night. But please continue all Gay rights discussions in the following forum.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=160363

I dont want to divert this forum too far from its intended purpose, and I know that you guys are great as sidetracking on random discussions, so I am going to take the inititive and ask that we take our discussions to the link that I posted above.

Thanks for your time,

-Viperlord

sorry... you're right...

[Viperlord]

The Salt Lake City Council meeting coming up here next week on the 13th could be interesting to see if anything new comes about from the developers: Does anyone know if it is open to the public?

http://www.slcgov.com/council/agendas/2008agendas/Nov%2013/11132008.pdf

Salt Lake City Council

AGENDA

City Council Chambers
City & County Building
451 South State Street, Room 326
Salt Lake City, Utah
Thursday, November 13, 2008
7:00 p.m.


A. WORK SESSION: 3:00 p.m. Room 326, City & County Building, 451 So. State St. (Items from the following list that Council is unable to complete in Work Session from approximately
3:00 – 6:30 p.m. will be addressed in a Work Session setting following the Consent Agenda.)
1. The Council will receive a briefing from Professor Arthur Chris Nelson, University of Utah Presidential Professor of City and Metropolitan Planning, regarding a presentation on his study of population growth along the Wasatch Front to the year 2040.
2. The Council will receive a briefing from Doug Hattery and Val John Halford of the Wasatch Front Regional Council, relating to the Regional Council’s current plans to accommodate growth along the Wasatch Front, including its State Street Livability Study.
3. The Council will receive an update on the progress of the City Creek Center Project from Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints Presiding Bishop H. David Burton.
4. The Council will receive a briefing from Jake Boyer, of the Boyer Company regarding the view of long-term growth in Salt Lake City and the Gateway’s relationship to the growth.
5. The Council will receive a briefing from N. Thompson “Tom” Bard, Principal of ScanlanKemperBard Companies of Portland, owner of Trolley Square.
6. The Council will receive a panel briefing from various land developers of the Downtown area.
7. Report of the Executive Director, including a review of Council information items and announcements.

[delts145]

Originally Posted by rmarkosian

Trolley Square- A Salt Lake City Icon

An in-depth look into Salt Lake City's last historic shopping center. How local merchants and chain store alike have found such a nice home in the former trolley barn for over 30 years.

Read Full Story

Thanks Rmarkosian for your recent coverage of Trolley Square. To me, Trolley Square has always represented the eastern physical boundary of Downtown Salt Lake. I know different people have different definitions of downtown boundaries, but I tend to look at downtown as what I feel it is becoming, rather than what it has been. I have always felt that Trolley Square was underdeveloped and thus am extremely positive with this major upgrade. I hope Trolley Square's next ten years will see major improvements and expansion on the south side also (parking lot area on other side of 600 south). Also, I am one of those that would like to see the ambiance of Trolley Sq. continue it's expansion west along 300,400,500 and 600 south.

Trolley Square opens new parking garage

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,705261425,00.html

A 200-space parking garage on the west side of Trolley Square opened Friday for the holiday shopping season, part of the shopping center's $60 million renovation and expansion project...

...The top level will have 33,000 square feet of retail space. Ground is expected to break on that project this spring. Parking is on the street level and a new underground level.

Seven tenants have moved to new renovated spaces inside Trolley: Brass Key Antiques, Cabin Fever, Rocky Mountain Chocolate Factory, Secret Garden, The Spectacle, Trolley Taffy Station and Ypsilon.

Next for the renovation is construction of a 53,000-square-foot Whole Foods Market. That construction is expected to finish by spring 2010.


Courtney Sargent, Deseret News

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[urbanboy]

Originally Posted by Boiseguy

I'm glad you participated. I don't agree with attacking the church on their beliefs. What I do agree with is addressing their political involvement in it all. there were lies spread by the yes on prop 8 side lots of misinformation. And if church members funded it by 70 percent, then I can't help but agree with protesting that.

The LDS church was well aware of the lies being spread about Prop 8, but did nothing to stop the spread of those lies, for the deceiving lies were helping their cause. That sounds christian...

Oh, I just saw Viperlord's post.

[Orpheum]

Has anyone been inside Trolley Square lately? I'm curious to see what it looks like now..?

[T-Mac]

Hyatt at the Gateway




Broadway Park Lofts

[Viperlord]

nice pics T-mac, as always.

they are moving so slow on broadway park lofts arent they.
It looks like they have the footings ready to pour for the front wings of the lofts though, am I right?

The hyatt at the gateway is cruising along quickly though.

[wrendog]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

The LDS church was well aware of the lies being spread about Prop 8, but did nothing to stop the spread of those lies, for the deceiving lies were helping their cause. That sounds christian...

Oh, I just saw Viperlord's post.

To be fair, the no on 8 was spreading lies themselves. It's the political way. That missionary commercial that no on 8 was showing in CA was absolutely ridiculous and borderline religious bigotry. That's all I will say on this subject.

[Boiseguy]

Originally Posted by wrendog

To be fair, the no on 8 was spreading lies themselves. It's the political way. That missionary commercial that no on 8 was showing in CA was absolutely ridiculous and borderline religious bigotry. That's all I will say on this subject.

everyone is always the victim... Mormons can play the part just as well as gay people... in fact the mormon church has been doing it since it's founding.. it's quite a clever tactic.. because no matter how wrong the church is or how much pain and hurt in people's lives the church causes.. nobody can ever say anything bad about the church.. because it automatically is martyred...
every religion does it. Viperlord put the post up earlier in the thread.. we should discuss it there... there's many people sharing their views and opinions there....

[wrendog]

^^^ oh brother. I'm not getting into this.

[Wasatch_One]

Originally Posted by Boiseguy

everyone is always the victim... Mormons can play the part just as well as gay people... in fact the mormon church has been doing it since it's founding.. it's quite a clever tactic.. because no matter how wrong the church is or how much pain and hurt in people's lives the church causes.. nobody can ever say anything bad about the church.. because it automatically is martyred...
every religion does it. Viperlord put the post up earlier in the thread.. we should discuss it there... there's many people sharing their views and opinions there....

The fact that everyone wants to get their panties in a wad over just the Mormon church is ridiculous. If they are going to get angry at one Christian denomination, they need to get angry at all of them.

Here are the facts, the Catholic church was just as involved and joined the LDS church as well as most other Christian denominations in fighting this. Why? Because it is against what most Christians believe by way of the Bible's teachings. These churches have just as much right to state their opinion in a Democratic society as those that were against Prop 8.

If those that were against Prop 8 really want to point fingers to who helped pass the proposition, look no further than Barack Obama for bringing out the black voters in high numbers in California. Black voters voted in favor of Prop 8 71% to 29% that voted against it. Latinos also voted in favor of prop 8 something like 54% to 46% (probably because of the influence of the Catholic Church)

Mormons make up no more than 3-4% of California's population and wouldn't have made that much of a dent in the overall numbers (even though I do understand they provided a portion of the marketing budget.)

Those are the facts and I will comment no further on this topic.

[Boiseguy]

Originally Posted by Wasatch_One

The fact that everyone wants to get their panties in a wad over the Mormon church is ridiculous.

Here are the facts, the Catholic church was just as involved and joined the LDS church as well as most other Christian denominations in fighting this. Why? Because it is against what most Christians believe by way of the Bible's teachings. These churches have just as much right to state their opinion in a Democratic society as those that were against Prop 8.

If those that were against Prop 8 really want to point fingers to who helped pass the proposition, look no further than Barack Obama for bringing out the black voters in high numbers in California. They voted in favor of Prop 8 71% to 29% that voted against it. Latinos also voted in favor of prop 8 something like 54% to 46% (probably because of the influence of the Catholic Church)

Mormons make up no more than 3-4% of California's population and wouldn't have made that much of a dent in the overall numbers.

Those are the facts and I will no comment no further on this topic.

I think people are protesting the money that was put towards it.. not the actual numbers of votes. which is why they are pointing at the LDS church.
But I think we should go to the proper thread to discuss it....

[urbanboy]

well said

[scottharding]

Wow. Nice try anyway Viperlord. Everyone wants the last say. I think both sides were in the wrong in one way or another. But hey, one good turn of intolerance deserves another.

[RFPCME]

Thanks Viper Lord for trying to get the thread back on track. Thanks also to T-Mac for smartly inserting pictures, I think in an attempt to get the thread back on track.

The problem with politics on this thread is that for those of us who live outside of Utah, we don't care. I didn't know about Prop. 8 until election night results. Then it was buried in news about similar props in two other states. It's not a big deal, even if it did take place in California. Much ado about nothing.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by Wasatch_One

The fact that everyone wants to get their panties in a wad over just the Mormon church is ridiculous. If they are going to get angry at one Christian denomination, they need to get angry at all of them.

Here are the facts, the Catholic church was just as involved and joined the LDS church as well as most other Christian denominations in fighting this. Why? Because it is against what most Christians believe by way of the Bible's teachings. These churches have just as much right to state their opinion in a Democratic society as those that were against Prop 8.

If those that were against Prop 8 really want to point fingers to who helped pass the proposition, look no further than Barack Obama for bringing out the black voters in high numbers in California. Black voters voted in favor of Prop 8 71% to 29% that voted against it. Latinos also voted in favor of prop 8 something like 54% to 46% (probably because of the influence of the Catholic Church)

Mormons make up no more than 3-4% of California's population and wouldn't have made that much of a dent in the overall numbers (even though I do understand they provided a portion of the marketing budget.)

Those are the facts and I will comment no further on this topic.

Yeah, you're wrong. They're protesting the LDS Church because they funded this thing more than any group out there. The Catholic Church might have come out in support of it, but they weren't throwing millions of dollars at the proposition.

You know, I'm fine with the LDS Church expressing its opinion, but they should get their tax exempt status revoked by the United States government. If it's going to use its power in the political realm, they should be forced to pay taxes, since there needs to be a clear line between separation of Church and State, something the LDS Church has never recognized. Come out against it, that's fine, but if you're not a taxable entity and you begin wielding your power to make political statements, then you should be forced to pay taxes, because you cease being just a Church and you become a political organization.

This also goes for the Catholic Church -- to which I am a member of.

[Comrade]

Originally Posted by RFPCME

Thanks Viper Lord for trying to get the thread back on track. Thanks also to T-Mac for smartly inserting pictures, I think in an attempt to get the thread back on track.

The problem with politics on this thread is that for those of us who live outside of Utah, we don't care. I didn't know about Prop. 8 until election night results. Then it was buried in news about similar props in two other states. It's not a big deal, even if it did take place in California. Much ado about nothing.

Maybe it isn't for you, but let's hope one day the American people don't decide to ban marriages between interracial couples.

I'm guessing something like that, though, wouldn't go over well. Even though in the 1950s and 60s, interracial marriages were actually opposed by many Americans and many religious groups. But it's only the gays, so fuck 'em!

[murdoc9]

Completely agree Comrade, its fine to be an intolerant bastard as long as you pay your taxes as such (Sorry Viperlord, I don't visit much, but I'll go to the other site for continued discussion). This issue reminds me of a Churchill quote to the effect that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. I think this issue will take some time for people to get comfortable with, but I'd expect this to be overturned within 12 years. At least in the meantime I can get medicinal marijuana in Michigan