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Old Posted Sep 19, 2008, 10:44 PM
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Park Meadows is a glimpse of the priveleged future of a few...

I used to shop at the Costco by there before they built one in the Springs. The huge SUV's drawfed my little pickup. The Mall and the area around it has an unreal feel to it...like a movie set. Everyone was in a hurry.

My son managed the AT&T Cell Phone nearby (used to). They had the new phones that were very popular (I refuse to plug them or mention them). Anyway, a lady came in and told him in these words, "I don't car if you have to pull one out of your ass...I want one of those phones". Her feeling of entitlement was just amazing.
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You Know - there are some positives to the present economic implosion. Commodities are cratering. Perhaps if we wait another six months FasTracks will have dropped back to the original 4.9 billion dollar estimate. Steel or Iron ore seems to be leading the way - down, down, down. Check out the following article.

Commodity Rout Far From Ended as Recession Approaches (Update2)

By Claudia Carpenter and Millie Munshi

Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) -- The record 39 percent decline in commodities since July 3 is nowhere near finished, if history is any guide.

The Reuters/Jefferies CRB Index of 19 commodities from coffee to silver would have to drop another 37 percent to reach the trough of the 2001 recession and 35 percent for the 1998 slide, when crude bottomed at $10.35 a barrel. The measure is 28 percent above its lowest during the economic contraction that ended in November 1982. Copper, after its biggest weekly loss in two decades last week, is still triple 2001 levels.

While tumbling prices of oil, nickel and soybeans already crippled stock markets from Moscow to Sao Paulo and sliced Alcoa Inc.'s profits by 52 percent, investors say rising stockpiles of copper and slowing energy demand mean prices will continue to fall. The U.S. slowdown will last more than a year and be deeper than any in three decades, according to Harvard University economist Martin Feldstein, a member of the committee that charts American business cycles.

``This downturn is going to make 2001 look like a walk in the park,'' said Tim Mercer, chief investment officer of Hong Kong-based hedge fund Musashi Capital Ltd., who sold all his commodity investments in July. ``This is the bursting of a 25- year asset-credit bubble. People have really stopped spending money, everywhere.''

The CRB ended Oct. 10 at 289.89 after losing 11 percent during the week. The index gained 29 percent in the first half, the best start ever to a year, before tumbling 25 percent in the third quarter.

Forecasts Slashed

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. of New York cut its 2009 estimate for lead by 17 percent and copper by 12 percent on Oct. 1. Zurich-based UBS AG said Oct. 6 nickel will be 32 percent lower than previously forecast, while platinum will be 50 percent less than anticipated. Morgan Stanley of New York reduced its 2009 aluminum estimate by 20 percent three days later and palladium by 45 percent.

Crude oil at $77.70 a barrel and copper at $4,790 a metric ton, the Oct. 10 closing prices, are at least 46 percent below their July peaks, signaling an end to record profit for Freeport- McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc., the biggest publicly traded copper producer, and energy producer Exxon Mobil Corp. in Irving, Texas.

Exxon's earnings may fall more than 2 percent to $45.9 billion in 2009, the first drop since 2002, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The company is scheduled to report its next financial results on Oct. 30. New York-based Alcoa said Oct. 7 third-quarter earnings dropped by more than half to $268 million. Freeport-McMoRan of Phoenix said July 22 that second- quarter profit fell 14 percent to $947 million.

Billions Lost

Steel, metal and related producers of basic materials are the worst-performing group this year in the MSCI World Index, losing 48 percent so far, a larger decline than banks and energy companies. Exxon Mobil plunged 20 percent last week to $62.36 in New York trading.

Russian shares, dominated by commodity companies including OAO Lukoil and OAO Gazprom, lost 62 percent this year, helping to wipe $230 billion from the wealth of the nation's 25 richest people in five months. Brazil's Bovespa index, led by Petroleo Brasileiro SA and Cia. Vale do Rio Doce, tumbled 52 percent from its high in May to 35,609.54.

The median estimate for U.S. growth next year in Bloomberg surveys of economists has declined in eight of the last nine months, with the odds of a recession now pegged at 90 percent, compared with 50 percent in May. The U.S. economy will grow 0.1 percent next year, according to the International Monetary Fund.

`Irrational' Concern

``This is going to be a longer recession than the last four, over three decades, where the average duration was about 12 months,'' Feldstein, who retired in June as president of the National Bureau of Economic Research, said Oct. 8 in a Bloomberg Television interview. ``It is going to be deeper in terms of decline'' in output, he said.

The U.S. Federal Reserve is leading an unprecedented push by central banks to flood financial markets with dollars, backing up government efforts to restore confidence in the banking system. Policy makers from the Group of Seven nations pledged at the weekend to take ``all necessary steps'' to stem a market panic. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama plans to give a speech on the crisis, his campaign said in an e-mail today.

``We've entered the realm of irrational anti-exuberance,'' said Doug Hepworth, a research director at New York-based Gresham Investment Management LLC. ``Commodities are part of it.''

A slowdown is already leading producers to cancel projects, which may restrict supply and limit the drop in commodity prices.

Gold Producer

OAO Polyus, Russia's biggest gold producer, said this month companies are reviewing projects because of the credit crunch that sent the three-month London interbank offered rate for dollars to 4.82 percent last week from 2.79 percent three months ago.

Russia's largest steelmaker, OAO Severstal, said Oct. 10 it will slash output in Russia, the U.S. and Europe by as much as 30 percent. The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries called a meeting for Nov. 18 and is ``very likely'' to cut output, President Chakib Khelil said Oct. 9.

Analysts surveyed by Bloomberg expect oil to average $100 next year, 23 percent more than the current forward prices. For copper, analyst estimates are 38 percent higher.

Futures on the London Metal Exchange show investors disagree. The contracts suggest copper will cost $4,823 a ton a year from now, compared with $4,869.50 for the closing price of the contract for immediate delivery on Oct. 10. Crude oil for delivery in October 2009, traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange, is at $82.24, 5.8 percent more than the contract closest to delivery on Oct. 10. Copper peaked this year at $8,940 a ton and oil at $147.27.

Financial Collapse

``These curves are discounting huge declines in demand that I don't see happening,'' said Pete Sorrentino, who manages $16.5 billion at Huntington Asset Advisors in Cincinnati.

Crude oil rose as much as 5.1 percent today and copper and most other commodities also advanced after governments in the U.S., Europe and Asia pledged to avert a collapse in the financial system.

Copper stockpiles in warehouses monitored by the London Metal Exchange rose 92 percent since a May 7 low to 209,325 tons. Combined with reports from bourses in Shanghai and New York, inventories are equal to 4.7 days of global usage, compared with as little as 3.2 days in July.

The International Energy Agency, the adviser to 28 nations, on Oct. 10 said oil demand next year will be 440,000 barrels a day less than anticipated a month ago, at 87.2 million a day. This year's gain will be the smallest since 1993, the Paris-based IEA said.

Presidential Election

Growth in global crude consumption slowed to 0.3 percent in 2001, from 1 percent the previous year, according to BP Plc data. Demand shrank 0.1 percent in 1991, the first decline since 1983, the data show.

``We won't see these prices going back to their record highs anytime soon,'' said Catherine Virga, an industrial metals analyst at CPM Group Inc. in New York, a consultant to companies including Barrick Gold Corp. ``The economic outlook is bleak. The weakest point will be in the fourth quarter of this year and the first quarter of next year.''

U.S. economic growth, a subject that has dominated debate before the Nov. 4 presidential election, will drop to 1.6 percent this year and 1.2 percent in 2009, from 2 percent in 2007, according to economists surveyed by Bloomberg. During the last U.S. recession, growth slowed to 0.8 percent in 2001 from 3.7 percent in 2000.

``I don't see any optimism for commodity markets until well into the second half of 2009,'' said William O'Neill, a partner at Logic Advisors in Upper Saddle River, New Jersey. ``Banks are really overestimating how soon the turnaround will come. We're mired in a global economic recession.''
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2008, 7:31 PM
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I agree, it looks like cost of FasTracks has already decreased by at least 15% since July, just from drops in steel and copper. If that is accurate, FasTracks should now be closer to a $6.75 Billion build-out, than the $7.9 Billion estimate released this summer.

RTD said they can finance $5.9 Billion with current funds. However, their sales tax collections have to be dropping even more. RTD might only be able to fund $5.75 Billion now, with sales tax collections slowing even further.

But if correct, that mean FasTracks would only be $1 Billion over budget now, instead of $2 Billion over.

Of course, certain inflationary forces resulting from such massive government bailouts could have more impacts on these guesstimates--and of course deflationary forces as well.

One major voice in Washington is proposing the federal government stimulate the economy by building infrastructure, but not by funding new projects, but instead by injecting funds into struggling infrastructure projects already in progress (hence, FasTracks).

That proposal would most likely be adopted by Obama, imo. If such a plan passes, it could potentially inject FasTracks with several hundred million dollars.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2008, 7:39 PM
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Did anyone honestly believe commodity prices would remain in the stratosphere? The speculation went from tech stocks to real estate and then to oil and metals. Now there is nowhere else to go, thus the financial crisis. Being a huge fan of Fastracks and what it will do for Denver, I was never concerned over the cost overruns. I was concerned however with how RTD has to calculate its budget that must consider the unlikely chance of long-term inflated commodity prices. Hopefully RTD won't need to ask for additional taxpayer funds, but it they do need to raise the $7.9 billion current cost, they will be in great shape to fully fund the whole project with extra left over to start the next phase (I-70 corridor).
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Do you really see RTD expanding west along I-70? I always assumed the I-70 corridor (now part of the Front Range Commuter Rail study), would be built and operated by a new statewide transit authority.

Now I have no objection to RTD expanding into a state wide Transportation district, however I get the feeling that anti-transit, anti-RTD folks have a lot of pull in rural counties. They are already calling FasTracks a complete failure and claiming RTD has totally mismanaged it. They claim RTD cannot manage such large scale project as FasTracks, so how would they support RTD managing a ststewide system?

I don't see anyway around it--the Colorado Department of Transportation is going to have to lead the way with the I-70 corridor; hence why nothing is getting done with it thus far.
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Old Posted Oct 13, 2008, 11:21 PM
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I agree, the I-70 corridor has to be handled by CDOT, or some new agency within it/parallel to it. RTD is already too big to effectively deal with *urban* transportation problems, the last thing we need it to stretch it even more thin.

On the other hand, sooner or later Denver is going to have to get into the transit business too (unless by some miracle RTD's attention turns inward, spurred maybe by the creation of said new statewide transit agency). Maybe if RTD *did* spread its wings some, then the new agency (Denver, basically) could take over the core, and we could get by with 2 transit agencies instead of the 3 we'll likely be dealing with.
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I actually think RTD is planing on focusing on the core, once it gets FasTracks built. Get people coming downtown into Union Station from the suburbs first--using existing shuttle and bus services to get them around once here.Along with FasTracks, work with Denver in making the core more walkable and pedestrian friendly. Then about teh time fasTracks is completed, start focusing on moving people around the core more efficiently as the focal point of their proposed NexTracks.
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You're correct. CDOT would oversee the I-70 corridor project. However, if RTD is forced to put the mechanisms in place to raise funds to cover the current $7.9 billion price tag and then the costs decreased due to declining commodity prices to say $6.5 billion, that $1.4 billion surplus would need to be re-allocated to additional rail projects. Now while RTD will not be leading the I-70 corridor, I believe the state politics will overwhelmingly decide that the I-70 corridor is a priority project over say, a downtown street car network, rail transit from downtown to Cherry Creek, and the Broadway or Colfax corridors. If $7.9 is raised, the government will find a way to spend it and I personally don't see any other major rail project happening anywhere in the state until I-70 is addressed. This economic crisis is a blessing in disguise for Denver. Denver is much more fundamentally strong than most American cities and will shine when the economy rebounds...eventually rebounds...
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Alright, I'm on a picture shooting spree. I was at Bestbuy looking for a TV yesterday, so I got some photos of the pedestrian bridge RTD is building for Park Meadows. Enjoy!













I looks like the pedestrian link to Park Meadows is about what I expected; a sidewalk. However, they have done a bit more than I thought as well. There will be crosswalk signals like those found in Boulder, as well as a "wood shack" thingy for decor. Not very purposeful however, as it covers only about 20 feet of the entire walking pathway.







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It's about time they got that in. I did hear the expanation on why is wasn't built when TREX was built and thought that was quite assinine(sp?) of Park Meadows.
One thing that is exciting is all the TOD's that are planned at each of the stations. Have you guys scoured the TOD plans here yet?: [http://www.denvergov.org/Default.aspx?alias=www.denvergov.org/TOD]
It all looks really nice, but when they plan these TOD's, would it take quite a while for them to actually come into fruition? They are increasing the zoning density but are they giving incentives for other more suburban located businesses to move to these locations? Would the businesses just move to be in a better location on their own because of the chance of increased foot traffic? Just curious if anyone happens to know off hand.
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Park Meadows fought RTD at every turn to keep from contributing....and now that this is being built, I wonder if they contributed anything more than just the land.
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Great photos Franco. I don't go to Park Meadows very often because of the scenic walk to, from, and underneath the I-25 overpass. It will be nice to not have to ride the B to Flatirons anymore. Taking the train is easier than going by bus when you have all those bags, plus you don't have to plan around the schedule. Maybe it would be better for my wallet if they don't finish that bridge.
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On the other hand, sooner or later Denver is going to have to get into the transit business too (unless by some miracle RTD's attention turns inward, spurred maybe by the creation of said new statewide transit agency). Maybe if RTD *did* spread its wings some, then the new agency (Denver, basically) could take over the core, and we could get by with 2 transit agencies instead of the 3 we'll likely be dealing with.
Nothing unusual about multiple overlaid transit agencies.

Actually, as long as you get them to all accept a common fare card and honor transfers, I'm not sure I'm convinced that multiple agencies aren't downright better than one huge agency. Think about Go Boulder. Yeah, it's still part of RTD, but that extra local effort has sure made a big difference to bus service in the good Republic. Imagine what Denver could do with such an effort.
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It all looks really nice, but when they plan these TOD's, would it take quite a while for them to actually come into fruition?
We had a TOD development manager come in as a guest speaker in a Geography Seminar at DU when I was a student there and she said that a well coordinated, sizable TOD usually takes 10-15 years from inception to completion (e.g., Gates Factory at I-25/Broadway)
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Here are some renderings of the Union Station project, which I captured off the EIS pdf:





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Those are incredible. Is there a link to the EIS, by chance?
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Speaking of FasTracks, have any updated cost estimates been released now that commodities prices have fallen by upwards of 50 percent in the last few months???

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Indeed. I would like to know that as well.

I love that first rendering. I'm glad to see a continued commitment to promoting decent midrise density around the project. Those buildings may not be the 40+ story ones from Union Station Partners, but I am beginning to like more the 15 story midrises appropriate for LoDo.

I am also glad to see the 250' cap mark will probably be exercised on the west side of the Union Station development by the light rail station and the Glass House. Especially if one of those projects includes the cool cube building posted on rds's site a few months ago.

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I'd like to see more grass in those public spaces.
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I'm pretty sure everything in those shots are still conceptual.
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