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Mobile presents plans for dinner cruises, medical research corridor, other ideas
Tuesday, October 28, 2008 By DAN MURTAUGHStaff Reporter


A revamped Mobile Civic Center, a medical research corridor and a boat slip near Dauphin Street for dinner cruises were all part of the new plan for downtown Mobile unveiled Monday.

City planners spent nearly two hours explaining the many details of the plan, which recommended more than 150 actions for the city to take.

Some of the changes could start taking place as soon as a few months from now, said Russ Archambault, one of the planners, while others could take more than a decade.

Win Hallett, the head of the Mobile Area Chamber of Commerce, sat through the presentation, held at the Civic Center. He said the amount of detail in the plan was overwhelming.

"You get a little dizzy trying to figure all that out," he said.

The city paid urban planning firm EDSA Inc. $400,000 to revise the city's 12-year-old master plan, which covers an area bordered to the east by the Mobile River, the south by Interstate 10 and Duval Street, the west by Houston Street and the north by Three Mile Creek and the neighborhoods north of Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue.

The entire plan will eventually be posted on a Web site the city created for it, www.newmobileplan.com.

Here are just some of the details:

The Civic Center would remain intact, but the city would partner with a developer to replace the building's massive parking lot with a parking garage. The extra space would then be turned into a mixed-use commercial and residential development.

The part of Water Street just south of the Interstate 165 entrance would be home to several mid-rise office buildings, making it the city's "skyline office district," according to planner Keith Weaver. The post office on the corner of St. Joseph and Congress streets could move into one of those buildings, freeing up that land for a park.

St. Stephens Road and Spring Hill Avenue would become a medical-technology corridor, Weaver said. The city would install high-speed broadband Internet lines down the street and partner with local universities to move medical research facilities there.

The city would create a "wireless cloud" over downtown Mobile, offering free wireless broadband Internet access throughout the Hank Aaron Loop. That would help encourage young people to move downtown.

The Alabama Department of Transportation would tear down the onramps leading from Water Street to Interstate 10 and the Wallace Tunnel. Motorists would drive farther down Water Street until they reached the Canal Street entrance. That would allow Fort Conde Village to expand with more homes and businesses.

A boat slip would be built at the north side of the Arthur R. Outlaw Mobile Convention Center on Water Street. The slip would be home to a dinner-cruise ship or water taxi.

The city would target a few intersections, such as the corner of Broad Street and Spring Hill, and offer incentives to businesses, such as grocery stores, to move there.

Barton Academy would be transformed into either a culinary arts or performing-arts school.

A new quasi-governmental organization would be formed to help put together large developments by purchasing and combining smaller lots.

The city would create new historic districts for the Oakdale and Maysville neighborhoods.

The city would turn the old Hickory Street landfill into a sports academy and park.

In November, the planners will give their final draft to Mayor Sam Jones, Archambault said. The city's Planning Commission and then the City Council would make the downtown plan part of the city's master plan, he said.

After that, city leaders would likely begin finding funding sources for the different actions the plan recommends, he said.
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The city would turn the old Hickory Street landfill into a sports academy and park.

This idea is way overdue and the old landfill may turn out to be a viable location IF done properly. We especially need lighted soccer fields in Mobile.
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I am ready for this. I just hope that I am here to see it.
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Question:

I know this is not a development question, but those of you who live in Baton Rouge, would you buy a copy of the press if we had it here in Baton Rouge?
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I would.

I was thinking of subscribing to the Sunday edition recently (cheaper) and just forgot about it.

Speaking of the paper, Thursday will have a story about the Crescent Theater that is opening downtown. According to this press it opens Friday night.

http://blog.al.com/live/2008/10/arthouse_film_venue_crescent_t.html
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More details on the north-south interstate(?) between Mobile and the Shoals.

http://www.timesdaily.com

$5.3 billion projected.
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Good to hear I wonder how long it would take for completion.


What`s the deal about the bypass in west Mobile how is that coming along ?
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More details on the north-south interstate(?) between Mobile and the Shoals.

http://www.timesdaily.com

$5.3 billion projected.
Awesome!
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The Alabama Department of Transportation would tear down the onramps leading from Water Street to Interstate 10 and the Wallace Tunnel. Motorists would drive farther down Water Street until they reached the Canal Street entrance. That would allow Fort Conde Village to expand with more homes and businesses.
YESS!!!! Been dying for that to happen!!!!! They should relocate the jail as well!
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The new plan for old Mobile

I think many things in the development plan are lame. Why remodel a pink elephant (civic center)...tear the tomb down. Any large venue needed can be at the Mitchell Center. We need land for residential and commercial development which can best come from the area around the Civic Center. As for the ramp, who are we kidding, there is no one willing to fork over the millions to make a ramp closure and replacement happen. Most of us want a bridge which we know will relieve most of the heavy tunnel traffic so why spend all the money to relocate a ramp. I could have done better than these guys did with ideas and for a "little" less money. Oh yea, that jail is going nowhere and we all know it...if anything, it will only get bigger. They have to keep it near the courthouse area anyway. I love Mobile but we wasted our money with these guys.
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I think many things in the development plan are lame. Why remodel a pink elephant (civic center)...tear the tomb down. Any large venue needed can be at the Mitchell Center. We need land for residential and commercial development which can best come from the area around the Civic Center. As for the ramp, who are we kidding, there is no one willing to fork over the millions to make a ramp closure and replacement happen. Most of us want a bridge which we know will relieve most of the heavy tunnel traffic so why spend all the money to relocate a ramp. I could have done better than these guys did with ideas and for a "little" less money. Oh yea, that jail is going nowhere and we all know it...if anything, it will only get bigger. They have to keep it near the courthouse area anyway. I love Mobile but we wasted our money with these guys.
In regards to that, the New Plan of Mobile is now online. It has alternate plans for the Downtown Core area which includes relocating the Civic Center north of the Convention Center on the riverfront connecting them with a hotel leaving the theater at the current site surrounded by multi-family complexes plus office/retail. It also adds office/retail at the very beginning of MLK Ave., changes to the Skyline Gateway district, and riverfront park north of the Convention Center and Fort Conde Village with the interstate ramp. I happen to like it better.
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I think many things in the development plan are lame. Why remodel a pink elephant (civic center)...tear the tomb down. Any large venue needed can be at the Mitchell Center. We need land for residential and commercial development which can best come from the area around the Civic Center. As for the ramp, who are we kidding, there is no one willing to fork over the millions to make a ramp closure and replacement happen. Most of us want a bridge which we know will relieve most of the heavy tunnel traffic so why spend all the money to relocate a ramp. I could have done better than these guys did with ideas and for a "little" less money. Oh yea, that jail is going nowhere and we all know it...if anything, it will only get bigger. They have to keep it near the courthouse area anyway. I love Mobile but we wasted our money with these guys.
Well move somewhere else, I am so sick of most mobilians being a donkey about new development. Who cares what you think, who cares what I think. Ever city needs a major center for entertainment, who's to say this will not spark major names to the civic center. The Mitchell center is too far out of the way. There are other places in downtown Mobile for residential development. You must be blind in one eye and cannot see out of the other if you think we do not have enough room. Tearing the civic center down would be a waste of money.
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My two cents:
I think the plan is great. You have to start somewhere and any city of any size has plans like this updated on a regular basis. Nashville has several (9, I think) planning zones and each one of them is updated every year. It unites the neighborhoods and gets the regular folk involved.

Here's a question: how many more people are talking about development than before? Any city worth it's salt needs to have a "Master Plan". As we grow, out-of-town developers and money will look at us and use this plan as proof that we are a city worth investing in.

The interchange idea is spectacular - for me it was one of those "duh!" moments. The state is tired of maintaining the overpasses and will play an active role in supporting any reconfiguration. I do agree that the reconfig will have to be part of the larger "bridge" discussion.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but the powers-that-be will never let anything happen to the main civic center structure. Mardi Gras Societies function out of there every season. I do agree that we would be better without it, but it'll likely never happen. Additionally, the size/capacity of the structure just isn't functional for today's entertainment business model. It will forever be a boon to the city budget.

With all that said, I think it was money well spent. Keep in mind that a portion of it was funded through private sources.
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I think the plan is a good idea. The civic center is needed for more than just concerts - Mardi Gras is one of our most important events and most of the balls are held there. the biggest problem with the CC is the parking lot - like most surface parking, just a waste of space and an eyesore, and this plan addresses that. Otherwise, it is a good size and with good management can attract the acts it should. The I-10 ramp is a major problem. Nobody wants to develop next to an interstate. Moving the ramp back to Canal will take care of this and free up some valuable land for development. Let's face it, the interstate caused a lot of the problems we have right now. The medical facility is also a great idea. This will be an extension of the Infirmary and USA, which is turning into a damn impressive urban medical facility - lets keep that going. The only thing I think is a stretch is this skyline district - I like the idea, but it seems like a tough investment. I think that is where future highrises need to go, but its is tough for government to force it to happen - would be nice though.

Barton - performing arts school is the way to go - lets focus the culinary stuff at Bishop, since they have an existing program and need something to latch onto.

The bottom line is, we have to think big - and smart. One thing that will really need to be addressed very soon is transportation. We need to look at all options - mass transit (rail, ferry, streetcars, etc...), green transit (walking, biking, etc... - my favorite), and better traffic plans. the traffic in Mobile is getting very congested - especially on main arteries. Myself and a very few others walk or bike to jobs in the CBD. I think the major obstacle to increasing this that downtown is made for car traffic. Crossing Government seems dangerous, "5 tag" motorists and folks from out west (and even people from the midtown area) run lights, roll though crosswalks, right turn on green without stopping, litter terribly (especially Broad and Government), and are generally rude to pedestrian and cyclists. Wearing a $1,000 suit to work, I get looks like I must be a homeless guy that just robbed someone. We need longer lights, better medians, better intersections, bike paths, etc... The argument is that this may somehow impede traffic. I don't think that it will, but if it does, why should I really care. This part of the city should primarily be built for the people who live here, not the people who commute to work and go home at 5 everyday in the suburbs (this would be akin to me complaining about there not being sidewalks on Schillinger Rd. Any thoughts on this?
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I think many things in the development plan are lame. Why remodel a pink elephant (civic center)...tear the tomb down. Any large venue needed can be at the Mitchell Center. We need land for residential and commercial development which can best come from the area around the Civic Center. As for the ramp, who are we kidding, there is no one willing to fork over the millions to make a ramp closure and replacement happen. Most of us want a bridge which we know will relieve most of the heavy tunnel traffic so why spend all the money to relocate a ramp. I could have done better than these guys did with ideas and for a "little" less money. Oh yea, that jail is going nowhere and we all know it...if anything, it will only get bigger. They have to keep it near the courthouse area anyway. I love Mobile but we wasted our money with these guys.
Sorry Blessed, but I can't agree with you. Especially on the bridge item. Why should I further support a bridge that primarily serves a base of auto commuters (non-interstate traffic). Its not that I mind what it looks like, but I think mass transit would be a more sustainable, smarter, and more inventive way of handling URBAN traffic. Anyone who says that interstate traffic is causing the delays in the tunnel is either lying or dumb. Most of I-10 nationwide is 2 lanes each way. Where it is more lanes, it is used for commuter traffic - I think large road systems are history - society needs to move away from them - lets not be playing catch up to Atlanta from 30 years ago - lets think ahead. In addition the overpass being an eyesore, it takes up a BUNCH of land, and creates a barrier between downtown and the waterfront. I am not sure it would cost that much to get rid of it. Canal is capable of handling the traffic - tear down the ramp, add some lights - done.
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I assume all of you who don't agree haven't seen the CC go downhill for 30 years. "New management" won't make any difference when the acts prefer P'cola or the MC. The CC cost the city one million per year. Keeping the elephant alive to serve a few weeks of Mardi Gras is a giant waste of taxpayer money; It's a crappy place for a party anyway. Let private developers put it back on the tax rolls. And, as for the bridge traffic, I doubt the feds and state would want to fix the interstate if most of the problem was commuters. I do favor a county occupational tax that would encourage the "5" crowd to move where they work (Mobile county) or start their own fruit stand in lovely Fairhope. We're too small for mass transit; just look at the buses for starters. Most people drive as a convenience so they can run errands and move on their own schedule. We may not like their choice but that is the case. All else aside, I like to hear everyone's opinion...especially those with a different point of view. I do prefer downtown as a more resident friendly place.
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Let's make this easy: All we need to do is dig up the entire Wharf complex and plop it down on top of the civic center, ferris wheel and all. That's retail, condos, restaurants, and an A-list music venue all in one.
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Geauxing to wharf 2nite....Hank Jr.

Ill give my 2cents on this later.....But this new plan was big waste of money




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Let's make this easy: All we need to do is dig up the entire Wharf complex and plop it down on top of the civic center, ferris wheel and all. That's retail, condos, restaurants, and an A-list music venue all in one.
Music...I totally agree with you. The Sandollar people told me that this was their best store. The second floor of the Wharf is empty and most of the shops are starving but it belonged in our downtown. I still have your photo 3'x7' in my reception area but I would sure like to get another one with an updated photo. I did see the fire escape where you shot the first one and can see how you got such a great angle. I get compliments on the print from many who come in and I always tell them about you....me print...you shoot!
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Two articles in the PR today regarding downtown. The first is about the interest already expressed by ALDOT about getting rid of the Water St. The article sounds like if they did not have to see about the whole bridge issue they woudl start work on this immediately. Aside from increasing the size of Ft. Conde Village, removing the ramp improves the entrance to the Wallace Tunnel by eliminating those last entrances/exits in the curve of the tunnel. It is also one less overpass for them to maintain. It will be interesting to see what impact the bridge decision has on this. I can't really see any reason not to do this one. It will increase Ft. Conde Village size and make it more connected to the Cruise Terminal/Maritime Museum. If they do some nice landscaping this could be a beautiful stretch of prakway.
http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1225793740299790.xml&coll=3
Second article is on the bridge projects status. Not much there, but an article none the less.
http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1225793783299790.xml&coll=3
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