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Old Posted Oct 2, 2008, 6:38 PM
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The Offical PA Report, (70)pages long, found here.. http://www.panynj.gov/pdf/WTC_Report_Oct_08.pdf
Quite A good Read, i find it intresting the minimized path station will cost more than 100 million more then the freedom tower itself..umm.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2008, 7:31 PM
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Great....

What will it take to get this finished?


World Trade Center site faces fresh delays

Thu Oct 2, 2008 2:34pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The Freedom Tower, centerpiece of the plan to rebuild Manhattan's World Trade Center, will not be completed until 2013(WHAT????!!!), well past the original target date of 2009, the landowning agency for the site said on Thursday.

The 1,776-foot (541-meter) tower, which is meant to symbolize the city's revival after the September 11, 2001 attacks, will cost $3.1 billion, said Christopher Ward, executive director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

The Freedom Tower is the 16-acre site's most important office building, but other features will also be delayed, including the underground part of the memorial museum, a mass transit hub and part of the subway service that runs under it, said Ward, whose agency is overseeing the project.

Other parts of the memorial to the nearly 3,000 who perished -- the plaza, waterfalls, displays of victims' names and a gathering area -- will be finished by the 10th anniversary of the attacks, the agency promised.

The delays are the latest hurdles in the reconstruction of the World Trade Center, which has repeatedly stalled due to fights over insurance and wrangles between the major players -- state, city and federal agencies and developer Larry Silverstein, who leased it two months before it was destroyed.

Ward, who was appointed three months ago, was charged with issuing new and realistic cost estimates and timetables.

However, as the financial crisis grew worse this summer, many construction projects in the city and around the country were affected. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has noted that commodity prices, which had skyrocketed in recent years, have fallen and said this may help ease the cost burden.

Several major subways run through the site, in addition to the PATH trains that link Lower Manhattan with New Jersey, and these links were supposed to keep running during construction.

But now the No. 1 line will close for six weeks in the summer of 2010, and possibly also in part of 2009. PATH trains to the site will be shut some weekends from 2009 to 2011.

The hub, expected to cost $3.2 billion, will not be ready until the fourth quarter of 2013 or the second quarter of 2014. Its cost has spiraled by hundreds of millions of dollars, partly due its complexity, and it now will be simplified further by adding columns to the soaring open mezzanine envisioned by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava.

A spokesman for Silverstein, who is building three office towers on the site, had no immediate comment. The agency has already fallen behind in site preparation work for Silverstein, and paid stiff fines to the developer as a result.

One problem is the demolition of the Deutsche Bank building, just south of the site, in order to build a $633 million vehicle security center. The work was halted last summer after two firefighters died in a fire there.

The U.S. government has bowed out of the security aspect of project, which now will open in the first to third quarters of 2012, said Ward.

(Editing by James Dalgleish)
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 2, 2008, 8:17 PM
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Wow! FT wont be complete until 2013!?

I'm getting so sick and tired of all these delays and politicians who don't know the difference between their 🞵🞵🞵 and a hole in the ground.

You could never tell by looking at the pics from the live cam that this whole site is YEARS away from completion!

I'm Pissed!

...maybe if things turn out right the whole site will be completed by the 20th anniversary of 9/11 in 2021!!!

I realize this is an extremely complicated development. I just wish things would move along a little more quickly - as I am sure we all do. I mean no disrespect towards those who perished on 9/11 or anyone associated with this most momentious development.

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Old Posted Oct 2, 2008, 8:52 PM
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Chill man, from an engineering standpoint this is an extremely complex site, you think downtown Atlanta was designed, funded, constructed, not to mention built by a standard security code never even imagined all in 13 years, all the while keeping in mind the respect for the families who lost loved ones, I dont..
Even if the site were to spring out of the ground at this very second, the vacancy rate for city office space is climbing at an alarming rate, leading to less value for the growing expense of this site, things will fall in place if not sooner, then later...
Im sick of people who cry for quick cheap development when they dont know the half of it, rather than waiting for quality product which is safer, will last longer and is more thought out, its about getting the best bang for your buck in a slipping market...
If you could see how many times I revise schematics for the smallest parts, im sure you would put a bullet in your head.. If you really want to help get off your computer, grab a shovel & put on a hard hat, walk down to the site & help them dig out the foundation for Silversteins Tower 2, It would do alot more then complaining, Thanks...

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Old Posted Oct 2, 2008, 10:28 PM
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I definetly agree that this project take time and be built with the highest quality and effort.

Also, that's kickass news about the proposed roof observatory in addition to the one on floors 101 and 102. Anyway, things ARE happening!
     
     
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Also, that's kickass news about the proposed roof observatory in addition to the one on floors 101 and 102. Anyway, things ARE happening!
That's definitely some of the better news we've had about this tower in a long while. Now if only they could think of a way to accommodate a rooftop deck...
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2008, 1:43 AM
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Work on the site is being done, we will see it completed, even a few years late.
     
     
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Personally, I'll be happy if I steel 5 stories above ground on Jan 1, 2009. Is that too much to ask for?
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2008, 2:46 AM
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I'm very disappointed to hear of the design changes to the transit hub. If we keep simplifying it, it will not even be worth the trouble to maintain any aspect of the Calatrava design AT ALL. What's the point?

Seriously, I can't wait until 30-40 years from now, when everyone realizes how full of 🞵🞵🞵🞵 all this was.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2008, 2:57 AM
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If that is the best they can do then that is it nothing more can be done to speed this up.
The tower will be completed in 2013, but there really is no big difference between 2011, 12, or 13. In fact, its not as if companies are knocking down the door to get into these towers, so the more time, the better. One of the reasons the towers are being built (besides replacing needed office space) is to restore the skyline. And as soon as these towers are topped off, it's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. The Bank of America tower isn't completed, but it is from a skyline standpoint. And finally, there are no delays, they're just telling us when these projects will be completed. Everyone knows these developments didn't begin when planned, so obviously they will be completed later.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2008, 3:04 AM
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I'm very disappointed to hear of the design changes to the transit hub. If we keep simplifying it, it will not even be worth the trouble to maintain any aspect of the Calatrava design AT ALL. What's the point?
The Calatrava design is nice, but whatever they can do to cut the cost needs to be done. This is an office space development above anything else (not including the memorial). If anything, they can throw some of that money where its needed, like the Fulton St transit center just down the block (which many more people will use).
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2008, 3:20 AM
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The tower will be completed in 2013, but there really is no big difference between 2011, 12, or 13. In fact, its not as if companies are knocking down the door to get into these towers, so the more time, the better. One of the reasons the towers are being built (besides replacing needed office space) is to restore the skyline. And as soon as these towers are topped off, it's mission accomplished as far as I'm concerned. The Bank of America tower isn't completed, but it is from a skyline standpoint. And finally, there are no delays, they're just telling us when these projects will be completed. Everyone knows these developments didn't begin when planned, so obviously they will be completed later.
Sorry if this is off topic, but I still think the Bank of America still has filling into do. The upper portion besides the spire has been incomplete for A YEAR ALREADY! Honostly, I wonder what the delay is with the completion of that project! It will be a year in December when the spire was completed and the building is still not completed.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 3, 2008, 3:26 AM
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Sorry if this is off topic, but I still think the Bank of America still has filling into do. The upper portion besides the spire has been incomplete for A YEAR ALREADY! Honostly, I wonder what the delay is with the completion of that project! It will be a year in December when the spire was completed and the building is still not completed.
They have had several issues already with that tower, including glass falling a few times, and work has been halted a few times as a result.

If I can get back to the Calatrava design for a minute, here's an example of some of the "changes" we are talking about:

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The new design for the W.T.C. PATH station’s belowground mezzanine (right) adds columns and makes Santiago Calatrava’s original design (left) easier to construct. The design simplification will allow the 9/11 memorial to open by the 10th anniversary
     
     
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Considering much of the site is still just dirt, and Tower Two's foundation is still being excavated, the revised schedules are realistic.
     
     
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I'm very pleased with this new time table, not necessairly the dates, but they do seem very realistic, good to think we shouldnt have to expect more lengthly delays (not to say it couldn't happen)... Seems like full steam ahead..
     
     
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I'm very pleased with this new time table due to the fact we shouldn't have to expect more lenghtly delays (not that it couldn't happen)...full steam ahead... how do i delete posts, sorry...
     
     
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Hmmm...so comparing the old 2007 info with this...

1 WTC/FT was 2014, now 2013
2 WTC was 2015, now 2013
3 WTC was 2014, now 2012
4 WTC was 2012, still 2012
Memorial Museum was 2015, now 2013
PATH Station was 2016, now 2014

The memorial itself is set for 9/11/2011, and the DB demo should be finished next August. Fiterman Hall (if you even remember it) is likely to remain the way it is...it isn't included in the plans.

So we have a probabilistic net savings of approximately 9 years for the 16 acres based on this...? What else has been changed besides having columns in the PATH station?

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Old Posted Oct 4, 2008, 1:21 AM
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Within 6 years, assuming there are no further delays, the site will be complete. The current progress at the site is undeniable.
     
     
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Old Posted Oct 4, 2008, 1:30 AM
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Today at 4:45 PM - From EarthCam

I enhanced the original EarthCam capture in Photoshop.

     
     
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Old Posted Oct 5, 2008, 12:20 AM
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Hell.....This is actually moderately reassuring.




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Hmmm...so comparing the old 2007 info with this...

1 WTC/FT was 2014, now 2013
2 WTC was 2015, now 2013
3 WTC was 2014, now 2012
4 WTC was 2012, still 2012
Memorial Museum was 2015, now 2013
PATH Station was 2016, now 2014

The memorial itself is set for 9/11/2011, and the DB demo should be finished next August. Fiterman Hall (if you even remember it) is likely to remain the way it is...it isn't included in the plans.

So we have a probabilistic net savings of approximately 9 years for the 16 acres based on this...? What else has been changed besides having columns in the PATH station?
     
     
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