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Old Posted Sep 26, 2008, 10:10 PM
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the whole urban plaza under a massive cantilever or supported overhang is just one of those things that seems so great in a vacuum. but in reality, they're cold and unfriendly. if it's going to be a plaza, let it be one. if they're going to run with the whole cantilever-everything-from-the-core idea, there are examples that make far more sense. dominique perrault's hotel habitat sky comes to mind as a more sensible way to cantilever from the core. otherwise, the lack of daylight on the streets downtown would make a dark place even more despairing and cold. this isn't the best site (nor was 111 s. wacker obviously) for making a case for a big cantilever. there has to be some idea of a program in place rather than just another plaza and "a place for office workers to eat lunch" is the weakest one there is.
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Nowhereman, I can you see you are a business-logic type of guy. But there are other legitimate functions to architecture, such as enhancement of the public realm, framing of views and vistas, accessibility of open space, creating character, etc. Otherwise, even Mies's boxes wouldn't make the cut of "rational" design.
Even an economic mind like mine places value upon aesthetics and public goods such as open spaces and light. However, I disagree that Mies boxes are not rational in terms of their open spaces and views. For example, 860-880, what is irrational about that design? I'm not seeing it. Is it the lack of use for the open spaces at the bottom? Is it the fact it doesn't completely use the lot? I'm not seeing what is inefficient in any Mies design? (Obviously excluding the slight touches and flourishes he uses to detail his designs that I had brought up in discussion with you before. )
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 26, 2008, 11:58 PM
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Yeah. . . I don't find any of those previous examples as especially noteworthy. . . kinda weird, but not architecturally "great" by any means. . .
I never said they were great, but I will claim that they are superior. There are a lot of reasons I'd make that claim, but a basic ple one is simply that it would be a different experience in Chicago than any other space. What they're building now is a rehash of so many other things (with subtle differences that only the likes of skyscraper enthusiasts will notice). This is particularly unfortunate, given that the other similar buildings are just a few blocks down the same street.
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Nowhereman, I can you see you are a business-logic type of guy. But there are other legitimate functions to architecture, such as enhancement of the public realm, framing of views and vistas, accessibility of open space, creating character, etc. Otherwise, even Mies's boxes wouldn't make the cut of "rational" design.
"Creating character"? That's really stretching it, honte. Those renderings remind me of the Frank Gehry process: Let's produce a ton of slightly different iterations and select the one that is the most emotive or that happens to relate to its context. You allude to other, legitimate functions of architecture but I really don't think any of the alternative designs were created with those functions in mind; in fact, I think their chief justification is that they "look cool"-- hardly a rationalist approach to architecture.

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Right, every other city in the country builds far more impressive architecture
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"Creating character"? That's really stretching it, honte. Those renderings remind me of the Frank Gehry process: Let's produce a ton of slightly different iterations and select the one that is the most emotive or that happens to relate to its context. You allude to other, legitimate functions of architecture but I really don't think any of the alternative designs were created with those functions in mind; in fact, I think their chief justification is that they "look cool"-- hardly a rationalist approach to architecture.
I don't understand your critique at all. Any architect has to consider what character they give to a space when they design it. It has nothing to do with Frank Gehry more than Mies van der Rohe. It's form, materials, light, space, etc. Those are the basic functions of architecture. Yes, functions.

I don't know what the renders were within the office, but I suspect they are a series of iterations, not at all uncommon for a building like this. They produce their ideal, talk to the structural engineers who say, gosh, where are the columns? Then they work forward toward something else. Estimates come in, and it gets reduced. Buck sees something and has a comment, or thinks it's too radical and the design gets scaled back. Flashy tenants aren't coming, so the budget gets slashed. And so forth. I highly, highly doubt an ultra-rational firm like G-P was engaged in any kind of totally random form-finding.

The early designs were probably driven by the sense that tenants don't want low space in a tower, just like the early design of 111 S. was. So, once you've identified that problem, you work towards something elegant and powerful, branded and engaging. That's what I mean by creating character. Buildings that don't uplift the spirits are bad business.

You can tell that the first responses were site-driven and view-driven. There's also a diagram in the G-P book that shows their thought process (I don't agree with it at all, but it is a legitimate objective) of giving Randolph a kind of unique urban character by connecting it with plazas all the way from the Kennedy to Grant Park. I'm quite sure that the design for the base of this building related to that larger urbanistic objective. How is that not "creating character"?

By the way, all good architects do "studies." You'd be foolish not to. Some ideas work in your head and they just don't work on paper. Sometimes they even work well on paper and then in 3D it sucks.
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^ I'm impressed by the glass. Even from that angle, there is a slight transparency. The concrete columns are visible. Also note the cladding on the floor edges. This one might turn out decent.

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What's everyone's opinion of the glass at 155 N. Wacker? With the glass quality and the texturing, it's turning out better than I'd expected.
And I like that they're cladding the floor edges at Silver Tower instead of just painting them.
     
     
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What's everyone's opinion of the glass at 155 N. Wacker? With the glass quality and the texturing, it's turning out better than I'd expected.
I think the quality and craftmanship both look quite good.
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NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ABOUT 111 WEST CHESTNUT

This is the Hartshorne & Plunkard designed building of about 21 stories

Time: 5:30PM

Date: October 2

Location: Moody Bible Institute (Wells & Institute Place) the Clock Tower entrance
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^ Nice to see Wacker Drive filling out so well. From Michigan to Jackson, it is probably Chicago's "tautest" street wall, uninterrupted by large plazas, parking lots, etc.
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NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING ABOUT 111 WEST CHESTNUT

This is the Hartshorne & Plunkard designed building of about 21 stories

Time: 5:30PM

Date: October 2

Location: Moody Bible Institute (Wells & Institute Place) the Clock Tower entrance
Thanks. Do you know what the exact height/unit count on the PD application is? The rendering on Emporis shows this at about 20 stories, while the rending at H&P's website shows this closer to 25-26 stories. Obviously I'd prefer the density of the latter but I think the proportions look a bit better on the taller design anyway. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting the renderings. The H&P website says 21 stories, 36 units. But interestingly, it says the building is actually two trapezoidal tiers; the trapezoidal shape definitely doesn't come through in the published renderings, which make the tower appear to have a rectangular footprint.
     
     
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