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Old Posted Sep 13, 2008, 6:10 AM
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Global Warming

Every so often I check the temperatures at Alert Nunavut. I looked in mid July and I was totally shocked to see the temperature was 61F. Alert Nunavut is very close to the north pole. It didn't stay warm like this for too many days but even just a few days is too many. Makes you wonder how long before these great lakes will start to have bad flooding due to the poles melting. Plus we have already had 111F temps with the humidity. What's it going to be 10 or 20 or 30 years from now? Possible 125F or possibly more? People couldn't survive those kinds of temps. And to think people have paid huge prices for lakefront properties. Which as I said I wouldn't doubt will be flooded in time. And the million dollar question is will there ever be another ice age? I am guessing no as there is too much industry etc on the earth now. Pretty sad future of this earth. Deffinately an eye opener for sure.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2008, 12:36 PM
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Global warming

A very serious issue which has many economical complications. Not too many years ago electricity jumped and alot of people converted to natural gas. So more fossil fuels. Now if electricity was to drop the shift would reverse (solar and wind) We got lots....
Right now on "The Movie Network" there is a documentary on "Who killed the Electric Car" It profiles primarily the EV1 and it is shocking that when the project was over one major producer took the cars out to the desert in Arizona and crushed them while another (this is caught on tape) shedded the brand new cars. Like destroy the evidence.
Canada is starting to produce the ZENN (zero emmissions no noise) {see web site} this car is like a golf cart and will do about 40 kms for 60 miles so a great intown taxi/or commmuer. Funny 5 yrs ago the EV1 could do over 100 kms and go 100 miles and just plug in in at night or at work which had charging stations. Where is the advances from all that research.
This show touches many aspects. Like no real follow up maintenance or expensive parts.
Just a thought with all this global warming at least in the heat of the day the sun via solar can drive the air conditioners.
As for the lake front cottages in Northern Ontario just off the river that joins Lake Huron and Lake Superior the water has receded 20 feet at least. It has to go somewhere like evaporate and come down as rain Ummmmmmmm this summer......
Maybe some day in Canada all cars will get 75 MPG or better yet public freindly transit (LRT).
Just think though, there could be some covert opposition to great, fast and simple public transit because how many people would move here and get a half decent house for $200,000 considering the cost in Toronto.
Complex wouldn't you say... Go GREEN.
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Old Posted Sep 13, 2008, 2:18 PM
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Interesting article to letter to editor in today's paper. I touched a bit of these in my post already and I couldn't agree more with this person.

Politicians should not ignore climate crisis

September 13, 2008
Richard MacKinnon
The Hamilton Spectator
Hamilton
(Sep 13, 2008)
Re: 'Global warming's chilling reality; It will take a horrible disaster to make us wake up and act' (Column, Sept. 11)

Gwynne Dyer is right to warn of the consequences of ignoring the climate crisis. Our political leaders should treat this crisis as a vital concern, not just for the Northern Canadians seeing the breakup of essential shelf ice and the extinction of permafrost, but all of us.

We are starting to see the beginnings of new patterns. Drought and excessive rainfall strain our ability to feed ourselves and have fresh water. An increase in flooding and tornadoes cause loss of life and property.

Erosion and increase of sea level will severely affect coastal areas. Heat waves in our cities will lead to power outages and deaths. The invasion of species such as the pine beetle wipe out our forests because the winters aren't cold enough to kill them. And with chaotic change there will always be something you cannot predict.

This is what needs to be discussed, not puffin poop and fuzzy blue sweaters.


http://www.thespec.com/Opinions/Lett...article/434698
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DUBLIN, N.H. — The Old Farmer's Almanac is going further out on a limb than usual this year, not only forecasting a cooler winter, but looking ahead decades to suggest we are in for global cooling, not warming.
Based on the same time-honored, complex calculations it uses to predict weather, the Almanac hits the newsstands on Tuesday saying a study of solar activity and corresponding records on ocean temperatures and climate point to a cooler, not warmer, climate, for perhaps the next half century.

"We at the Almanac are among those who believe that sunspot cycles and their effects on oceans correlate with climate changes," writes meteorologist and climatologist Joseph D'Aleo. "Studying these and other factor suggests that cold, not warm, climate may be our future."
It remains to be seen, said Editor-in-Chief Jud Hale, whether the human impact on global temperatures will cancel out or override any cooling trend.

"We say that if human beings were not contributing to global warming, it would become real cold in the next 50 years," Hale said.

For the near future, the Almanac predicts most of the country will be colder than normal in the coming winter, with heavy snow from the Ozarks into southern New England. Snow also is forecast for northern Texas, with a warmer than usual winter in the northern Plains.

Almanac believers will prepare for a hot summer in much of the nation's midsection, continuing drought conditions there and wild fire conditions in parts of California, with a cooler-than-normal season elsewhere. They'll also keep the car packed for the 2009 hurricane season, as the Alamanac predicts an active one, especially in Florida.

But Editor Janice Stillman said it's the winter foreasts that attract the most attention, especially this year, with much higher heating prices.

So, in line with the weather and economy forecasts, the Almanac includes information on using wood for heat: the best wood, how to build a fire in a fireplace, whether to use a wood stove and how to stay warm — all winter — with a single log.

Here's the secret, popularized in 1777: Throw a log out an upstairs window, dash down the stairs and outside, retrieve the log, dash upstairs, throw the log out the window and so on.

"Do that until you work up a sweat and you'll be warm all winter," said Stillman.

Last year, the Almanac correctly predicted "above-normal" snowfall in the Northeast — an understatement — and below-normal snowfall in the mid-Atlantic states.

New Hampshire, home of the Almanac, saw the most snow in 134 years and missed an all-time record by 2.6 inches.


Established in 1792, the Old Farmer's Almanac is North America's oldest continuously published periodical. The little yellow magazine still comes with the hole in the corner so it can hang in outhouses.

Boasting 18.5 million readers, this year's edition contains traditional tips on gardening and astronomical information and tide charts so accurate the government considered banning them during World War II, fearing they would help German spies.

The Old Farmer's Almanac is not to be confused with the Maine-based Farmer's Almanac, published "only" since 1818.

The 217th edition also predicts social trends such as sofas that measure body temperature, shopping carts that sound an alarm when filled with too much junk food and closet shelves and hangers that talk to give advice on matching shirts and ties.

"I would really hate that," Hale said. "What do you mean these don't match? Of course they match! You kidding me? Pink goes perfectly well with yellow," he joked.

Upholding its tradition of being "new, useful and entertaining," the Almanac offers tips on how to keep gardens alive, even in snow, and how to keep people alive, even for 100 years. (Some examples: Take it easy, use your brain, laugh and flirt!)

As printed publications fold around the country because of falling readership, Stillman says the Almanac is keeping pace with the 21st Century with a website that offers the printed version and supplements that can be personalized based on a reader's ZIP code.

Hale said the magazine with the familiar features remains popular in a digital age because, well, it's an almanac, and readers have said they like it being predictable.

"'Oh good,' they say, 'Not everything is disappearing."'

This year, after 154 pages of words of wisdom from scientists and other experts, the 2009 edition closes with words from children — letters to God from first- and second-graders.

One, signed Joyce, shows little kids know not to be ungrateful, even when faced with a big disappointment.

"Dear God," she wrote. "Thank you for the baby brother, but what I prayed for was a puppy."

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news...-almanac_N.htm
I don't beleive this article.
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Me either. Last winter wasn't that cold but sure had a ton of snow. We did have a cooler summer this year though.
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It is true that ocean currents will slow down any warming. They act like a temperature buffer (do some research on this if you need to). The ice in the polar regions cools the water. But unfortunately this is only true while there is enough ice to do the cooling! Its well-documented that for the first time, ice that is thousands of years old is breaking off and melting from the polar regions (We just lost 1km of the arctic shelf in the past month)

This unprecendented fact should be enough to convince people to embrace the carbon tax.
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Let's also keep in mind that two different elements are at work - global warming and climate change.
global warming is just that - overall warming of the globe.
I get a kick out these people who say "well, last winter in Hamilton it was cold. So much for global warming".
If it was 'Hamilton Warming' they'd have a point.
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^^ omg do you know how many times I heard that "Where's this 'Global Warming' everyone's talking about!?" comment last winter? I wanted to organize a huge Education Session to explain the diff:

Our Climate is Changing because of Global Warming!

Then I'll get, "Well what about that there 'End'zone Layer thing?!"
So it's pretty much a lost cause for a lot of people. Some people are just so ignorant.

Only thing we can do is educate those willing to to be educated. Well, that should have been done in the 80's... it's too late now, our climate is already changing.
-Ice caps are breaking away/melting
-Polar Bears are facing extinction b/c of the melting ice caps
-Tropical Storms are stronger/larger/more frequent than ever before
...and the list goes on

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It is true that ocean currents will slow down any warming. They act like a temperature buffer (do some research on this if you need to). The ice in the polar regions cools the water. But unfortunately this is only true while there is enough ice to do the cooling! Its well-documented that for the first time, ice that is thousands of years old is breaking off and melting from the polar regions (We just lost 1km of the arctic shelf in the past month)

This unprecendented fact should be enough to convince people to embrace the carbon tax.
Great point! But I think Dion's problem is that he keeps talking about the Carbon Tax and how it's better for Canadians, but he doesn't EXPLAIN to Canadians why we NEED this carbon tax in the 1st place.

It's fine to say, "We need to b/c of the Environment", but go into detail Stephan! Explain how our current lifestyles are affecting the planet/Canada. Maybe that'll open up the eyes of Canadians/undecided voters.
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Here is a comment from Jean Iron that is involved with the Ontario Field Orinthology about the James Bay temperature. James Bay adjoins to the Hudson's Bay which is where a lot of the polar bears are. Now I can see why the polar bears are at such great risk.

" We went swimming during heat wave on 21 August. Water temperature was 27C, warmer than Lake Ontario."

http://www.jeaniron.ca/2008/Akimiski...miskipage5.htm
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we are reactionary creatures. it's not in our nature to plan for the future. ultimately, this will be our downfall.

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So true The Dude. We went along with the inventions as they came along. But was it a good thing in the longrun. Sometimes not in some ways.
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So true The Dude. We went along with the inventions as they came along. But was it a good thing in the longrun. Sometimes not in some ways.
The slate will be wiped clean at some point, you know.
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The slate will be wiped clean at some point, you know.
That can happen in time too Millstone.
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That can happen in time too Millstone.
I've heard that will happen within 24 years... we'll see.
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Do you know about shrinkage?

No, not the kind that happens in men's swimming trunks when it's cold, as we were taught in the classic Seinfeld moment.

In a quick inventory of climate change's impacts on the environment, a recurring theme emerges in our lakes, forests, Arctic ice coverage, animals and even the global gross domestic product: Shrinkage.

In a perspective piece for the journal Science, for example, Kaustuv Roy writes about the spectrum of animal species shrinking in response to global warming.

It follows the logic of Bergmann's rule: A controversial assertion that a species' body mass increases with latitude, or colder climes, while animals tend to be smaller in the tropics. Bigger animals have smaller surface to volume ratios and can more effectively conserve heat in cold environments, the rule states, while smaller animals with larger surface to volume ratios are better adapted to warmer environments because they can more effectively dissipate heat.

So as the world gets warmer, historical patterns dictate that animals will get smaller.

"Basically the premise is, if you look at a number of studies, there is a link between the environment, the temperature and the size of a species," Roy, a biologist at the University of California said in a phone interview.

For example, researchers studying the size of sheep on Scotland's Hirta island recently published a study in Science that was the first to establish a direct link between an animal's size and climate change.

The 20-year study showed that bigger sheep were more likely to survive the harsh, bitter winters of the 1980s. But as the winters warmed over the years, the genetic advantage to being bigger disappeared, resulting in smaller animals and reduced natural selection.

Roy also cites Israeli passerine birds as another example of global warming-induced shrinkage. Between 1950 and 1999, the body mass of Israeli passerine birds were observed to decline significantly in a study out of Tel Aviv University. In the meantime, minimum summer temperatures increased by an average of 0.26 C per decade during the second half of the 20th century.

Likewise, cod fish have also diminished in size over the past few decades, Roy said, as a result of another kind of pressure -- human harvesting.

"Humans are highly size-selective," he said. "We always take the big fish."

Before the collapse of Newfoundland's cod stocks in 1992, for example, stocks were abundant and the fish huge, said Roy, who lived and studied in Newfoundland in the late 1980s.

But since overexploiting the seas, cod have diminished in size, a biological response to human harvesting that happened quickly, over the course of just a few decades, he said.

"One thing we do know, is that the sizes of a species has gone down as a result of harvesting," Roy said.

But it's not only animals that are projected to diminish in size, their habitats are shrinking, too. In Africa, desertification and drier climates near Lake Chad are forcing farmers to drain the lake for irrigation purposes. What was once a lake of 25,000 sq. km. has been reduced to a mere 500 sq. km. in just 40 years.

Climate change is also expected to increase forest fires across the planet.

This year, Arctic sea ice cover shrunk to its second lowest level since satellite measurements began in 1979. Second only behind last year's record low.

Glaciers, while they've always grown and receded over time, are also shrinking at alarming rates. According to UN figures, the average rate of melting and thinning doubled between 2004 and 2006, among the 30 reference glaciers.

So despite what some contrarians may say, size does matter.

http://www.torontosun.com/life/green...99146-sun.html
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