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It looks like the excavation of the hillside near Home Depot (where Costco will hopefully be built) has stopped short of what I had imagined. I don't see the big machinery anymore but there is still a lot of rock remaining. Does anyone know what is going on there? Has it been officially determined that Costco will come to Saint John?
As of last month I had heard the deal had fell through with East Point.
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As of last month I had heard the deal had fell through with East Point.
Jeez, I hope so. The thought of some great big friggin Costco box on top of a hill filling up the skyline, first thing people driving from the East see of Saint John, is depressing frankly. It would make that eyesore on the General Hospital site look like an architectural marvel in comparison.
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From 94 FM news:

[City Looks into Wind Farm]

15:12:04

The city has hired a company to perform wind testing at Spruce Lake to determine the feasibility of placing a wind farm in the area. Mayor Ivan Court is Vice President of Saint John Industrial Parks and tells CHSJ News they are looking for a private sector company to set up such an operation.

He says they want a company to build the turbines and sell some of the energy at a discounted rate back to the city--and-- export the rest if desired.Court says they should hear back in about one or two months on whether a wind farm would be possible.
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It would make that eyesore on the General Hospital site look like an architectural marvel in comparison.
what's wrong with the building on the old general hospital site???!?!? it's almost PERFECT box shaped. . . .that's a marvel


lol...i kid, i kid
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As of last month I had heard the deal had fell through with East Point.
ouch....i must have missed that one ....thanks for the update.....
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From 94 FM news:

[City Looks into Wind Farm]

15:12:04

The city has hired a company to perform wind testing at Spruce Lake to determine the feasibility of placing a wind farm in the area. Mayor Ivan Court is Vice President of Saint John Industrial Parks and tells CHSJ News they are looking for a private sector company to set up such an operation.

does that not seem like a bit of a conflict?? that being said, it's a step in the right direction....next hoefully is serious $$ invested into tidal...we have massive amounts of untapped energy sloshing in and out of the bay of fundy 4 times a day with vertical tideline differences measured in metres...so much potential...
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As of last month I had heard the deal had fell through with East Point.
I thought something had happened there, every article in the Telegraph Journal that mentioned CostCo has now been removed.

Anyone know what happened with the deal?
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One Mile interchange

Story in the TG today re: contruction on the much needed one mile interchange slated to start later this month and wrap up in 2011....including a nearly 2/3 of a kilometre bridgespan over the trainyard....


http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/426601
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also in TG today, a followup story re: the official opening of SJ Energy's new west side building & Key Industries moving into SJ Energy's old South End facility.

http://telegraphjournal.canadaeast.com/city/article/426590
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I thought something had happened there, every article in the Telegraph Journal that mentioned CostCo has now been removed.

Anyone know what happened with the deal?


ps - welcome to the forum! always nice to "see" / hear new voices & opinions./
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i can't seem to find any up to date information on the fort dufferin condo project (? 2 or 3 towers, 12 stories, like 400+ units as i recall.....)

when you look at the list of residential projects, this one is certainly one of the more ambition ones . . .

anyone know where it currently stands?
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A few months ago I was speaking with a salesperson at Futureshop. He told me that they were hearing plans of their store moving into where the McAllister Place Sobeys currently calls home. Sobeys is looking for a stand-alone location (at the Westmorland/McAllister intersection). With that move, the SJ Futureshop will become a "Class A" location (more floor space than Moncton/Fredericton = more variety/special offers, etc.). I recall seeing a reference on this forum regarding Sobeys building on the corner in question. Of course, Futureshop is my favourite toy store. Needless to say, I was excited to hear the news. My question is: Does anyone know if there is any truth at all to this.
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As of last month I had heard the deal had fell through with East Point.
I commute 3 hrs per day and listen to nothing but News 88.9 and CBC News, I didn't hear any news about this. I'm not saying that I don't believe it but I'd like to see an article/reference with details. Regarding what someone said about how ugly Costco would look on that hill: if its not Costco, something will definitely be built there and chances are its not going to be masterpiece of architectural glory. Maybe if we're lucky we might get another DollarStore or maybe a new self-storage site.
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I commute 3 hrs per day and listen to nothing but News 88.9 and CBC News, I didn't hear any news about this. I'm not saying that I don't believe it but I'd like to see an article/reference with details. Regarding what someone said about how ugly Costco would look on that hill: if its not Costco, something will definitely be built there and chances are its not going to be masterpiece of architectural glory. Maybe if we're lucky we might get another DollarStore or maybe a new self-storage site.
Well, maybe that would be our claim to fame. Sort of like the tiers of rice patties cascading down the hills in mountainous Asia, Saint John would have its cascading tiers of Orange doored storage units from valley floor to hilltop. lol

btw, have they turned off the spotlights at Eastpoint, or just turned down the intensity so they no longer burn the eyes of the occupants of the Space Station? I don't notice them any longer (from Quispam, they were quite visible when first set up).
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Well, maybe that would be our claim to fame. Sort of like the tiers of rice patties cascading down the hills in mountainous Asia, Saint John would have its cascading tiers of Orange doored storage units from valley floor to hilltop. lol

btw, have they turned off the spotlights at Eastpoint, or just turned down the intensity so they no longer burn the eyes of the occupants of the Space Station? I don't notice them any longer (from Quispam, they were quite visible when first set up).
They may have turned them down, there is no longer that glow in the western horizon after dark as seen from Moncton.
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i can't seem to find any up to date information on the fort dufferin condo project (? 2 or 3 towers, 12 stories, like 400+ units as i recall.....)

when you look at the list of residential projects, this one is certainly one of the more ambition ones . . .

anyone know where it currently stands?
It's only gone through the second reading so far; the company said it would be at least two years before they proceed, if they do. I assume they are just going to see where the energy projects go first.
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transformation taking place
JOHN CHILIBECK
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A photographer with enough time and patience could document one of the biggest urban transformations in Canada if they took images of the south end.


Cindy Wilson/Telegraph-Journal
Work is underway on the One Mile House interchange, which will be a boon for the south end. Above, workers from Gulf Operators work on putting in new storm pipes for drainage at the interchange, in preparation for realignment of an existing ramp that will eventually go across Highway 1 and connect to Russell Street. The existing ramp is beside the off-ramp that leads to Rockwood Park and Crown Street.


The change won't be as dizzying as looking out of the condos erected in downtown Vancouver since the '80s but it will be eye-catching nonetheless.

Once proudly called the Lower Cove neighbourhood, the south end went downhill after the road looping around it became an exhaust-belching truck route and people began looking for greener pastures in the burbs.

The good people who still live in the south end have to contend with absentee landlords and their neglected slums, mountains of garbage in empty, weedy lots, not to mention drug dealers and their pit bulls strutting the streets.

But make no mistake. The metamorphosis has begun.

The first sign was the construction of Harbour Passage along Water Street, all the way to the southern end of Prince William Street.

Primarily designed to give cruise ship visitors a nice welcome mat, the entrance of the passage is a quick walk from some of the poorest south end streets.

As part of the plan, workers are building a small, attractive green space beside the Three Sisters lamp, only a short distance from the Salvation Army.

Along the refurbished Water Street, new condos will soon go up where the old grain elevators used to stand.

There's also talk the cranberry passage will be extended southward toward Tin Can Beach. Instead of the wide roadway surrounded by ugly brown fields, a pleasant path lined with trees, tasteful lighting and benches would guide pedestrians to that great view of Partridge Island and the harbour mouth.

The second big change is the new ward system that elected Donnie Snook and Carl Killen. These two have already shown some fight for their neglected neighbourhoods.

When common council agreed to sell Irving Oil the old sugar refinery property for a land flip with the port, Snook convinced his fellow politicians to dedicate proceeds from the sale to south end renewal. Already, consultations have been held to spruce up nearby Rainbow Park.

Killen has taken the parking commission to task for alternate-side parking, which confuses and angers residents who are ticketed and towed. The councillor argues the commission imposed a blanket solution for streets that are very different.

These are small, important changes. But the real big change, the one that could make a huge difference in the south end, is a development that just started a mile away. The One-Mile House interchange, being built in east Saint John near the Atlantic Superstore on Rothesay Avenue, is a massive, $45-million undertaking by the province that will include a bridge stretching more than half a kilometre.

The new interchange is vitally important because it will redirect many of the heavy trucks that use the Lower Cove Loop. This should have a significant effect on property values and the quality of life in the south end. People hate being rattled by the rumbling of jake brakes.

Of course, more will have to happen than just a new interchange to attract people back. The south end will need a lot more tender loving care.

It will take the same sort of investment that will soon transform the west end of Princess Street, which is slated for new sidewalks, smoother paving and underground wiring. It will take strips of grass and trees and proper concrete sidewalks instead of broken asphalt. It will take design rules that stop heritage buildings being stripped of character and converted into boring vinyl boxes. It will take more apartment and condo developments to replace parking lots and dilapidated buildings.

Many of these changes are up to council and the city. The momentum is already there to make it happen - the decision-makers simply have to decide if they're going to get in the way or speed the transformation along.

John Chilibeck is a Telegraph-Journal reporter who writes about issues that affect the Saint John region. He can be reached at [email protected] or by calling 645-3267.
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transformation taking place
JOHN CHILIBECK
Telegraph Journal

A photographer with enough time and patience could document one of the biggest urban transformations in Canada if they took images of the south end.


Cindy Wilson/Telegraph-Journal
Work is underway on the One Mile House interchange, which will be a boon for the south end. Above, workers from Gulf Operators work on putting in new storm pipes for drainage at the interchange, in preparation for realignment of an existing ramp that will eventually go across Highway 1 and connect to Russell Street. The existing ramp is beside the off-ramp that leads to Rockwood Park and Crown Street.



*sic*


These are small, important changes. But the real big change, the one that could make a huge difference in the south end, is a development that just started a mile away. The One-Mile House interchange, being built in east Saint John near the Atlantic Superstore on Rothesay Avenue, is a massive, $45-million undertaking by the province that will include a bridge stretching more than half a kilometre.

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it is great to finally see momentum forward on the 1 mile interchange. . . beyond it's obvious infrastructure value to the city in the coming years, this will be a rather impressive structure that will slowly take shape over the next three years. . . in a way, a bit of a tangible work in progress of the larger scale transformation sweeping the area in recent years. . .
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Exciting times ahead
Housing New $50-million, 350-home subdivision proves city is engine of N.B.'s economy

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SAINT JOHN - A new 60-acre, $50-million east side housing subdivision going up off Old Black River Road is proof that Saint John is becoming the province's economic engine.


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In front of the new development off Old Black River Road are, left to right, developers Claude LeBlanc and Guy Lajoie, landowner Shane Berryman, realtor Tim Somerville of Royal LePage Atlantic and landowner and realtor Terry Lockhart.


Contractors, developers and realtors all agree that the city should get set for some exciting times.

Builders Claude LeBlanc and Guy Lajoie, partners in Moncton-based GCL Developments, are building the subdivision's 350 homes, all duplexes.

They travel back and forth to Saint John from their homes in Moncton, where the housing boom seems to be slowing, says Lajoie.

"You're going to see more contractors coming into Saint John," he predicts. "There are a lot of contractors that we talk to in Moncton who are thinking of coming to Saint John.

"There's a demand for houses and the contractors here are already booked solid," adds LeBlanc.

Cottage Hill Estates will celebrate its grand opening today at 10 a.m. and on Sunday, from noon to 4 p.m., a grand open house will be held.

The starter homes are selling for $159,900.

Developer Shane Berryman, who grew up down the road, bought the parcel of land in 1995 after having had his eye on the property for years.

"Our vision is to help a lot of workers coming in here find accommodations," he said.

The project is also using the skills of carpenters and joiners from the Carpenters Training Centre, he said, by offering second- and third-year apprentices on-the-job training. The centre is a non-profit organization owned and operated by the United Brotherhood of Carpenters and Joiners of America, Local 1386, and unionized contractors in the province.

As far as Cottage Hill Estates goes, the city's economic boom wasn't even on Berryman's radar until a few years after buying the property, he says.

"We thought the time to do this was now because there's quite a demand for homes in the area."

His partner, Royal LePage Atlantic realtor and developer Terry Lockhart, joined forces with Berryman in anticipation of the boom.

"There's a shortage coming in the next few years in housing. We need 400 new houses per year to keep up. Now is the time with all of the potential that's coming," Lockhart said.

Lockhart expects interest, which has been steady, will be piqued this weekend.

"There's a demand, particularly for moderately priced homes," he said.

Two families are moving in this weekend. Eight units are for sale - four of those are sold with a strong possibility of two more being snapped up. Another two will be ready to go on the market in a month.

They're 1,536 square feet in area and are "open concept," with three bedrooms on one level and some hardwood floors. All services are located underground.

"A lot of homes in this price range are 30 and 40 years old," said Tim Somerville, a realtor with Royal LePage Atlantic, who is working to sell the homes.

"If you call a builder right now, you may be looking at March and April of next year. We can have a home ready for Christmas."

With inventory down and a demand for homes, Somerville said Saint John is at the forefront when it comes to growth and home values.

"It's a seller's market," he said.

"A lot of people are out there looking for good, affordable homes.

"When you look at the economic boom, at the amount of labourers who will be coming in within the next eight to 10 years, there is no reason to believe that we're not going to keep moving forward."
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Chilibeck's article does have some well balanced points in it - true transformation isn't all about how many new buildings, or projects or surface scrubbing that happens; there's a number of deeper logistical, economic and social issues that have to be acknowledged & effectively dealt with as well
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