Salt Lake:Official development news thread

[urbanboy]

Sugar House update from UtahStories.com



http://www.utahstories.com/sugarhouse_stall.htm

[urbane]

I think it will look great. It does not have to be perfect, just look at the Xmission offices on 400 south near exchange place. The original facade was very damaged but they uncovered it anyway and it is awesome. Someone should port a picture of it.

[delts145]

Good grief,... This is incredible!!!! The mock-up on the previous page didn't even begin to do the real thing justice. When I saw this pic, I almost got all teary eyed, "I'm serious." I just don't understand how anyone could cover this up.

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Im actually surprised by how much of the original facade is still intact! Happy Day!

[SLC Projects]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Sugar House update from UtahStories.com



http://www.utahstories.com/sugarhouse_stall.htm

With our luck we'll end up with a single story Walgreens or gas station on that corner.

[urbanboy]

I really hope they don't use this color scheme!
I would rather they keep the brick color natural.

[Stenar]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

I really hope they don't use this color scheme!
I would rather they keep the brick color natural.

Yah, I really like the natural brick and the dark trim instead of the white or cream as in that drawing.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by Stenar

Yah, I really like the natural brick and the dark trim instead of the white or cream as in that drawing.

I wouldn't put too much stock in this rendering. It just looks like a crappy photoshop job. That is unless they plan on levitating a trunkless tree in front of the building as well.

[arkhitektor]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Im actually surprised by how much of the original facade is still intact! Happy Day!

I just want to know who's idea it was in 1960 to cover up all of the detail with a plain flat front instead.
What do people do in the upper floors of all these old buildings whose windows are all covered up? Was there a big push mid-century for people to work in windowless caves?

[jmonkey]

Holy s***!! That facade is absolutely a treasure, and doesn't look like it's in bad shape at all!! That's a beautiful row of buildings there with Sam Weller's. I'm glad they are showing this beauty the light of day again. I just hope they do an authentic recreation of it at street level--I'm sure that portion of the original building is long gone.

Now what else is lurking beneath hideous facades from the 60's and 70's?? I can think of several other buildings downtown that could all hide something just as lovely behind their tacky 'modern' facades.

The X-mission building, on the right, with a couple of detail shots, from last November:

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

Sugar House update from UtahStories.com



http://www.utahstories.com/sugarhouse_stall.htm

As much I hate him for tearing down sugarhouse, I think it is evident that our city did more to kill the old sugarhouse as well this development. If it wasn't for their laws, the length of time it took for approval even after the buildings were demolished, etc, then we would have seen this break ground and begin to rise before the markets went downhill. ... Our planning commission and council respresentatives are retarded.

[urbanboy]

It's really not the planning commission or city councils fault the economy is doing poorly. However, it would have been nice had the developer waited until the everything was approved before he started demolishing the place!

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by arkhitektor

I just want to know who's idea it was in 1960 to cover up all of the detail with a plain flat front instead.
What do people do in the upper floors of all these old buildings whose windows are all covered up? Was there a big push mid-century for people to work in windowless caves?

This building is beautiful. I can't understand it for the life of me either. Why did these people want to work in caves? ... I have been on the Utah Historical Society website going through the old pictures, and I'm getting so sad and angry when I look at all the treasures we've covered up or torn down ---- for parking!!!! grrr, ... I can't stop myself from looking at these pictures though, so many of these buildings are just so beautiful. ... Maybe I will make a compilation when I am done going through all of these and post a link.

:

Templeton
Constitution
Old eagle gate
Bransford
trolley on south temple, first avenue, main street, 1300 e., 1st south, 2nd south, 3rd south.
All hallows college,
ferry hall at westminster college
cullen hotel
krutsford hotel
aurbach's
continental block
no ni shee temporary arch
bank of utah
mccormick bank
old salt lake brewing company castle
sculmer kennet building
savory hotel
wilson hotel
western loan and building company
canon building
old mountain telephone building
old ymca
old ywca
old walker bank building (across the street from current walker bank)
utah federation of labor building
old LDS gymn
old Lafayette school
all the buildings on commerical street
newhouse hotel
the original ornamentation on the frank e. moss courthosue
richmond machinery
godbe pits drug company
herald hotel
132 e 100 s firestation
152 s state zcmi
pyke druehl building
bamberger building
scott building
national bank of the republic
ohio building on market street
walker dry goods
union block building
castle hall/hamlin paint
merchants bank building
wellington hotel
holland apartments
old holy cross hospital
old alta block
old salt palace
old saltair
brigham young trust
old des news building
dooly building
empress theater
glendinning james residence
hooper eldredge building
keith o brien building
louise grace/emery apartments on 1st ave
mackintosh building
old lowell school
mantou hotel
original state and federal building
old east high school
old old wells fargo building
quigley building
the rice residence
richmond apartments
salt lake candy company
sanitarium bathouse
state loan and trust 30 W broadway
stauffer apartments
inn at temple square
tracy loan and trust
tuck apartments
university club
utah national bank
walker residence on 100 s 1285 E
windson hotel
zion industrial school



etc. etc. etc. .... Some of these burnt down like old salt palace, saltair, and some of these replaced eachother so like one beautiful building for another, but the majority of these WE tore down!!! ... if our city had half of these buildings today, we would have the most beautiful city in the nation! ... this was the era of amazing architects. ...

[Scraperdude801]

Originally Posted by urbanboy

It's really not the planning commission or city councils fault the economy is doing poorly. However, it would have been nice had the developer waited until the everything was approved before he started demolishing the place!

Go back and read what I wrote. I never said they had anything to do with the economy performing this way. LOL ... ok , now do you understand what I said? ... Yes I agree it would have been nice if he didn't tear down until it was all a go, too bad Salt Lake City GAVE HIM THE DEMO PERMITS, and then they took forever in approving the project. So now we're in this economic mess where nobody will finance him. ... But it is all his fault right? ... LOL ... It's a simple fact that if our city didn't give him the demo permits and then take forever in approving the project we would have started to see this thing rise. It's stupidity that the demo permits are issued before a project is approved. That's just ass backwards. They should be hand in hand.

[urbanboy]

You're right, that is ridiculous!

[skierforlife17]

I am so sad the economy is turning.... Posts of actual new projects have been slowing for some which mean.... I pray i hear news of something new soon.

[urbanboy]

Here is a before and after of Main Street between 200 and 300 South.
We traded what looks like 10 buildings for 2. Compare the Street life on the right hand side of the postcard to what exists there currently. Here we have 10 storefronts in the postcard, and... two today? Which of the two street-scapes do you think would be more interesting to a pedestrian? We as a community should demand that new office towers have ground floor retail! Currently the planning commission and city council are doing a good job considering 222 South Main, and City Creek Center to name a few.

[Scraperdude801]

It's been a while since DT Salt Lake had pedestrian traffic like this:




this is a crowd of people for the empress theater that was on 53 S Main. ... P.S. that building (eldredge - hooper . the one that says henegar business college) is a part of my family's heritage (eldredge) ... had to brag.

[TANGELD_SLC]

DUDE those pics are AWESOME! Makes me wonder if we should bann motorized vehicles downtown....

[delts145]

Love the historical pics Scaperdude, It just makes for an even bigger case of how important it is to not only preserve the historical gems, but to also work to bring them back in fashion as new projects.
IMO, a mix of both the great classics and also attractive comtemporary, makes for a much more appealing downtown.

[urbanboy]

This is not a result of few automobiles on Main Street, this is a result of people living in close proximity to downtown. this was before the automobile was so widely used, and allowed people to sprawl. Developers started to develop inefficiently, because the cheep land on the outskirts suddenly became accessible thanks to the automobile. With no regulations having been put in place greedy developers developed subdivision after subdivision wasting our land, pushing our open space further and further away from the city and the people who live there. When before, a developer had to fork out the money to pay for a trolley extension to the land they wanted to develop. That was a more efficient way to regulate growth. People depended on the trolley to get around, therefore the growth boundaries around the city were determined by the trolley infrastructure. Everything was located downtown. There were no shopping malls or strip malls; there were just a few small shops here and there, usually on the corner or the block. Downtown was always happening because that is where people went everyday to go to work, or run errands, or to be entertained, etc. It was a great place to people watch, because of all the people! This is why I think we need more high density residential downtown in the form of high-rises. that is the only way to achieve the "critical mass" of people needed to sustain and revitalize our downtown.