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Old Posted Sep 19, 2008, 10:05 PM
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The current recession is hurting the poor the most. The rich will stay afloat and keep accumulating wealth. In the US, the Federal Reserve company just bought one of the largest mortgage companies... so now they own properties on top all the monye supply, etc.
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the next step, one of these years is when the US government goes bankrupt. That'll be fun.
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Innovation Park gets first major tenant

BY WADE HEMSWORTH, The Spec, 20 September 2008

The windows aren’t all in yet, and already the main building at McMaster Innovation Park has its first major private tenant.

Trivaris — a company that puts ideas and money together to create new companies and social ventures— is moving to Hamilton from Burlington and taking over the entire top floor of the industrial space now under renovation on Longwood Road South.

Company president Mark Chamberlain signed the lease late yesterday, and the company plans to move 50 personnel into 23,000 square feet of space as soon as it is ready for occupancy, likely by March. Over the last three years, Trivaris has been behind nine startups and three social ventures.

The innovation park is to take shape over 10 to 15 years on a occupied by Camco’s appliance factory. McMaster bought the property in 2005 and its plans include 14 lowrise buildings housing as many as 3,000 employees in an airy, campus style setting.

The park’s mission is to build university, government and private partnerships that turn research into commercial products and services.

Chamberlain said that mission fits perfectly with his company’s, as both work to help Hamilton shift to a knowledge economy. “Ideas are the new raw material, and we couldn’t imagine being in a better place than the McMaster Innovation Park,” he said. “This park is critical for our region, and it will become a lightning rod.”

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The Innovation Park is definitely going to positively impact Hamilton in a big way. News of the first tenants moving in is great, but they are still a few months off from occupancy. Is it my imagination or has the renovation taken longer than anticipated?
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Tenants moving in, signing up at McMaster Innovation Park

September 20, 2008
Wade Hemsworth
The Hamilton Spectator

The headquarters building at McMaster Innovation Park is thumping.

While the first tenants are already working in the renovated offices at the front of the red-brick building on Longwood Road South, construction workers are busy in the 90,000-square-foot space at the rear of the building, knocking a big rectangle out of the middle of the heavy concrete floors directly below the massive new skylight in the roof.

That rectangle is becoming an atrium, which is the key to transforming four storeys of dark industrial space into a bright, modern complex of government, university and private laboratories and offices where ideas and commerce can meet and grow across interior balconies and in the public space below.

Within the next three weeks, says innovation park president Zach Douglas, the exterior of the former Camco building will be fully enclosed, with interior construction wrapping up by February.

Yesterday, Burlington's Trivaris -- a company specializing in commercializing ideas -- signed the lease for the entire top floor of the new space.

By the end of 2009, Douglas said, the entire headquarters building, known as MIP-1, should be 90 per cent occupied, completing the first major stage of a 10- to 15-year development plan for the research park.

He said interest among prospective tenants has picked up considerably since the arrival of the building's first tenants, the United Nations University's International Network on Water, Environment and Health in April.

While work continues on the $17.5-million renovation at MIP-1, plans continue to take shape for a new hotel next door, alongside Highway 403, where Concord Hospitality Enterprises plans a 130-room long-stay hotel that will target visitors to the park.

Douglas said he expects construction there to start by June.

The research park is an arm's-length venture by McMaster to stimulate research and economic growth by creating partnerships between government, private and university sources.

The university bought the former Camco appliance plant site in 2005, planning a major brownfield redevelopment with low buildings that meet high environmental standards and integrate with the broader community.

The park is projected to extend eventually to Aberdeen Avenue along both sides of Longwood, with as many as 14 buildings, housing up to 3,000 employees in 1.7 million square feet of space.

The first of those new buildings is the new headquarters of the CANMET materials technology laboratory, a federal research facility for metals and materials fabrication, processing and evaluation, where about 100 researchers are expected to work.

The 155,000-square-foot, $60-million keystone project is to get under way when shovels go into the ground in November.

This week, a contingent of CANMET employees visited Hamilton to tour the city and take part in orientation meetings as they prepare for the lab's move from Ottawa. The new lab is expected to be complete by the summer of 2010.
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awesome news. couldn't have come at a better time too, with all the crap going on with Trinity.
THIS is why we need every square inch of land over there to be used properly...it has the potential to transform our economy. It would be one of Hamilton's greatest mistakes to allow a huge hunk of land in this area to be wasted on a big parking lot and some garbage box stores.
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The Innovation Park is definitely going to positively impact Hamilton in a big way. News of the first tenants moving in is great, but they are still a few months off from occupancy. Is it my imagination or has the renovation taken longer than anticipated?
I think it's on track. In 3 years,they have torn down all the warehouse buildings, gutted the Camco H.O., and installed a giant skylight. This bldg, according to the article, should be done soon.

Great news! I especially love the 'lightning rod' comment. It's evident in that two companies (well 1 lab & 1 company) are moving to Hamilton for once instead of OUT of Hamilton.

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This week, a contingent of CANMET employees visited Hamilton to tour the city and take part in orientation meetings as they prepare for the lab's move from Ottawa. The new lab is expected to be complete by the summer of 2010.
^^ Also great news! Can't wait to see this park transform! Hopefully they're connected to LRT somehow!
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One of the reasons why the B-Line has been diverted along Main is to serve this area via the Main and Longwood stop
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Does the city plan on fixing that Longwood bridge? I can't see where they'll add bicycle lanes when the sidewalk is tight enough, there's only one sidewalk on the west side of the bridge.
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One of the reasons why the B-Line has been diverted along Main is to serve this area via the Main and Longwood stop
let's just hope they add a westbound stop at Longwood at some point. Right now it's only eastbound.
Also, let's hope they put LRT onto the Mac campus like every other normal city on the planet.
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B-Line has a stop at Main West and Longwood both both eastbound and westbound runs. It has been like this since the route was reconfigured to run along Main West. Eastbound is stop #1321 , westbound is stop #1193.

Main street is close enough for LRT service to McMaster. After all, Main West runs along the southern side of the campus. The tracks certainly don't need to cross through the campus. UofT does not have rapid transit intersecting its campus and they seem to be fine with that.
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By taking transit services off campus, students can no longer go downtown between classes. It takes 20 minutes to walk to Main St. from main campus and 20 mins. to walk back. 40 minutes of walking just to get to the bus? Sounds like they are trying to force students to spend money on campus between classes. I am sure prices in the cafeteria will go up if they haven't already.
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By taking transit services off campus, students can no longer go downtown between classes. It takes 20 minutes to walk to Main St. from main campus and 20 mins. to walk back. 40 minutes of walking just to get to the bus? Sounds like they are trying to force students to spend money on campus between classes. I am sure prices in the cafeteria will go up if they haven't already.
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B-Line has a stop at Main West and Longwood both both eastbound and westbound runs. It has been like this since the route was reconfigured to run along Main West. Eastbound is stop #1321 , westbound is stop #1193.

Main street is close enough for LRT service to McMaster. After all, Main West runs along the southern side of the campus. The tracks certainly don't need to cross through the campus. UofT does not have rapid transit intersecting its campus and they seem to be fine with that.
I was at Main/Longwood the other day and couldn't find the westbound stop. I'll have to look again.
U of T isn't an isolated suburban-style business park removed from the city. They have a subway running along University Ave and streetcar lines along College/Queen/Spadina etc.... It's a proper urban university.
Mac needs LRT to run through campus, not on bloody Main St away from all the students. Easiest route would probably be to have it run up the street just east of campus (Forsythe??), cut it westbound through the little pedestrian plaza beside the student centre and then southbound right up the centre of campus to Main St/front entrance. it would only need 2 stops - Student Centre and central campus north of the hospital.
It's easy enough, but we'll see if the city will stand up to these thugs running the show over there.
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As an engineering alumnus, I'm cool with service on Main. When I was a grad student in the old CRL building, after the beeline was done running for the day, grabbing a bus on main meant a way shorter trip downtown.
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The CRL building was next to Main St though - far away from main campus. I did my thesis under Haykin... is the CRL building still there?
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Sorry I disagree. B-Line LRT should be designed to serve the entire city, not just McMaster University. One stop at Mac for the rapid line is sufficient. Additional stops with winding routes down secondary streets like King (west of Paradise) or Sterling slows down the route, taking the 'R' out of LRT.

There are two other local bus routes that will continue along King to the Sterling entrance of Mac - the University and Delaware routes. Mac students that feel the walk from Main West to the northern part of the campus is too long for them can take those routes into campus.
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The articulated 10 route now runs largely empty west of downtown because it is less convenient to take, while the non-articulated buses that make all stops and go through the campus are completely stuffed. The bus drivers seem to be more understanding than they used to be, to be sure - Most will let the entire front of the bus fill up with people standing. It's not safe, but I assume they know that otherwise, there simply wouldn't be enough room on the buses. Alternatively, it can be faster to walk downtown (I've done it several times, but, having just completed my term at Mac, I have more time than most, to say the least). Running giant, largely empty buses doesn't strike me as a wise expenditure of public dollars.

Last spring, I caught the 10 westbound every day from downtown - Almost every person on that bus from downtown to the campus was a student.

I agree that the system should not just cater to the university. Why can't the efficiency of the 10/LRT be increased by removing one of the Westdale stops on westbound trips, and even having no eastbound stop in Westdale at all?
The university is by far the most important stop on the B-line between downtown and Dundas (and, sorry, but with a student population larger than the city of Dundas, arguably more important), and should be better connected.

U of T has three subway stations accessing its campus (and streetcars as well, as raisethehammer points out), the Bee-line in Vancouver has been a staple of transportation to UBC for some time now (and the city is building a subway line to the university in the medium-term future), and McGill has two subway stops. What is particularly annoying about Hamilton is that the city (which is home to what is by many accounts Canada's fourth most important post-graduate university) seemed to have had their priorities largely in order in the first place - only then to change them drastically.

A well-planned transit system requires at least two things - that people make the commitment to switch from driving their cars to using public transit, and that the city make it convenient for these people. If the city and school is willing to do little to coax people out of their cars, this will not affect the committed few (like myself), but will surely discourage others from giving up their cars. This will likely have negative repercussions for the entire city.

I could partially understand if the city had plans to greatly densify the Main corridor west of the 403 - To abandon most of the university, however, as well as Westdale, in order to run the city's highly-anticipated LRT down a corridor of strip malls, car dealerships, parking lots, etc., with lower residential density and much less commercial activity south of that area, is simply not intuitive.

For most of the huge number of students and faculty who use the 10 to get to campus, the re-routing was a huge mistake. Given the conditions on campus in the winter (when the school is busiest), there will in effect be no "rapid transit" for those who work or study on the north side of McMaster at all (even for downtown-bound people from the hospital, apparently half the buses turn into the hospital itself, while the rest stop at Main and Emerson). Students like myself, who possess more than the average in the way of environmental conscience, will buck up and stand up on the enormously over-crowded buses downtown. What about the people who can afford to drive to campus, and have taken transit up to this time out of convenience?

The 10 is one thing - that can be changed (and I really hope they do change it). If the city/school botches the LRT, however, that isn't something that can be fixed overnight. If the LRT is not successful in convincing the otherwise reluctant that transit is a convenient way to get around the city, it will still be enormously expensive, still be a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for the city, but would in many important respects fail. Passenger revenue would be less on the Main route as well, making the LRT harder to keep up - This route makes little economic sense.

I still keep in touch with an old professor of mine in Vancouver. When I mentioned I chose Mac for a grad school, his response was that he thought Hamilton, by virtue of having a huge blue-collar, steel and manufacturing population, and a large cohort of white-collar healthcare and university types, would be an interesting city. My experience in Hamilton has been generally positive, particularly downtown. I have noticed quite a difference, however, between the eastern and western portions of the city. It has been quite common to hear from people who live in Westdale and environs that downtown Hamilton is dirty, dangerous, depressing, etc. On the other hand, to judge from some conversations I've had in the central and eastern part of the city, many people in downtown and environs don't realize how renowned their home-town university is. A typical response is "Couldn't you have studied that in Vancouver?".

The point of this is that it does not make any sense from the perspective of transit efficiency to not simply run the 10/LRT along its previous route, and to merely limit the number of stops it makes in Westdale (to keep students from riding rapid transit when they could just walk for five minutes). This would ensure better service for Dundas and other non-Mac residents over what it was before.

This re-routing makes perfect sense, however, from a political perspective. While I'm sure there are exceptions, based on what I've seen in this city, it is to be expected that the city (and its electorate east of, say, Bay St.), when planning the LRT route, would downgrade the importance of the university, while the university would probably see fit to ignore anybody east of Locke (perhaps even Longwood).

With the federal election just around the corner, perhaps people are thinking more politically than usual?

It's a real shame, because a poorly-designed route could have the potential to derail (sorry!) the LRT funding entirely.

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I wouldn't be offended if the mod moved my previous post for not even mentioning Innovation Park.

There was a map on this site or raisethehammer.org at some point in the last eight months that showed an LRT route branching from the A-line at Longwood and going east on Aberdeen (and presumably cycling through downtown again). Anybody know what I'm talking about, or where that map might be?

If anybody is concerned here about LRT's ability to service Innovation Park, I think this would be a good way to do so - Given that there is currently only one building functioning on site, this line could be done at a later date if need be.
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nobody is suggesting that LRT exclusively serve campus. But it needs to serve campus PROPERLY. University students are going to be huge riders of LRT (assuming it comes anywhere near them).
It can stay on Main, but come up into the middle of campus to properly serve the campus.
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