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Old Posted Sep 18, 2008, 1:02 AM
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So you have never walked down the street and seen an apartment building that has 5 or 6 signs saying something like, 'Tennis Courts! Swimming Pool! Sauna! Close to schools! 2, 3, or 4 bedroom units! Prices start at whatever price!'

You've never seen that?
5 or 6? As hard as it is to believe....no I have not. I will say that i've seen a couple signs on residential complexes saying some of that stuff. Looking harder is probably the best choice.


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having them face the freeway was kinda the point there, jdrcrash
Then its probably no wonder it got shot down. After all, that would've brought quite a bit of cars to South Park. What I meant was that those residents on the other side of the Harbor Freeway likely wouldn't have complained as much if all of the signs were on the Figueroa st side of the Convention center, as well as Pico Blvd next to the underpass.

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Old Posted Sep 18, 2008, 1:23 AM
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Is it not done?

This is interesting:

Very Sneaky Electronic Billboard Bid Rebuffed

Wednesday, September 17, 2008, by Dakota

Late last night, the Senate shot down a bill that would have allowed an exemption to the statewide ban on freeway billboards, including those near downtown's entertainment district. But how low can you go? The bill was introduced after midnight and attached to another bill (regarding state's whistle blower law). As Dennis Hathaway of the Coalition to Ban Billboard Blight notes, this was a way to "keep everything under the radar." Politicians agreed and shot down the bill.

Via the Times: " 'None of us were in the mood for extraneous special interest — thrown at us in the wee hours of the morning,' Sen. Gloria Romero (D-Los Angeles), explaining her vote against the bill." This move is also tied to LA Live developer AEG's planned billboard signage on the LA Convention Center since those proposed signs require state exemptions. It's not entirely clear to us what this means for the future of downtown signage, but we'll update shortly. Meanwhile, that legislation that would have provided incentives to film companies to stay in California was also shot down. UPDATE: We emailed Dennis Hathaway for some context and clarification about what last night's decision means. Curbed: "So this means that no downtown electronic sign district will be created and no downtown billboards are coming? Hathaway: "For the moment, yes. But I'd be shocked if it didn't reappear in some form. In other words, it's a matter of when, not if. In my opinion." Additionally, the Daily News is reporting that "backers are vowing to bring the measure back next year." UPDATED again: How exactly this will affect that proposed sign district still confuses us, will update again. UPDATE(): This is the most confusing thing ever. Also, the heat is making us cranky. First off, a spokesperson in Assemblyman Bill Emmerson's office says that since it was a "tie vote," it'll be voted on again. And it could be voted on again as soon as next week. Or it could take weeks before it comes up for vote again.
     
     
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2008, 2:04 AM
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^Then its probably no wonder it got shot down. After all, that would've brought quite a bit of cars to South Park.
Wow... I never thought of that! The signs alone would've made the area a destination! The teeming masses of the distant suburbs, perhaps other states and countries even would've converged on South Park to see our amazing LED signage - bringing the city and region untold wealth! The state should seriously rethink the proposal. Thanks for the enlightenment, JDRCRASH!

Here I thought they were just trying to take advantage of the millions of pairs of eyes that already pass by the Convention Center on a weekly basis... what a fool I am!

     
     
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Old Posted Sep 18, 2008, 2:30 AM
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Does anyone know what is happening to the building on the northeast side of Pershing Square? They're constructing something on the top of the building
pershing square building to become center for nightlife

by Stephen Friday on September 17, 2008

pershing square building to become center for nightlife 544207786_3982741c03_m downtown los angelesAdding to the recent announcement of Hotel Clark’s planned comeback on the block of Hill Street north of 5th, owners of the historic Pershing Square Building are in the process of making major changes to the 13-story, Italianate landmark next door.

Facade improvements and interior demolition have been ongoing for a while, but JMF Development recently secured $21 million from Far East National Bank and Israel Discount Bank to finance construction of creative office spaces on floors 2-13 and three new entertainment venues on the property — a rooftop lounge, ground-level restaurant, and basement bar.

Possibly even more exciting is the news that work has already begun to make it all a reality.

A crane brought on site last week has been busy lifting steel beams to frame two new floors above the roof, creating 8,700 square feet of entertainment space and an observation deck over three separate levels.

Available renderings show an indoor/outdoor venue designed to match the building’s original architecture with dramatic archways, elaborate Italian detailing and glass balconies.

pershing square building to become center for nightlife 2864039383_db4e14780f_m downtown los angelesAt street level an 8,500 square-foot upscale restaurant will replace current retail tenants which include Subway and Hill Street Pizza. Work to repurpose the space will create a mezzanine level, high ceilings for the dining room, and open-air seating areas on both 5th and Hill streets.

Beneath it all, accessible by a grand staircase, a speakeasy-style underground bar will fill the old basement once housing a coffee shop. Early descriptions for the space call for a dance floor, multiple bars and possible food preparation area. Together with a new mezzanine and subterranean nooks, the venue would span approximately 8,500 square feet over three levels.

Together, The Venues @ 448 South Hill as they’re being marketed, would bring over 25,500 square-feet of nightlife-oriented space to the Historic Core — rivaled only by the Versus LA club soon to open at the former Los Angeles Stock Exchange on Spring Street.

Though these three places could easily be a couple years in the making, efforts are already underway to lure nightclub operators and restaurateurs from around the world. With Vegas-caliber names sniffing around next door, Pershing Square may not need Park Fifth to give it new life after all.

http://www.angelenic.com/4545/pershing-square-building-to-become-center-for-nightlife/#more-4545
     
     
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No Impact Yet From City Housing Plans

From Downtown News:

No Impact Yet From City Housing Plans

Though Downtown and 'Air Rights' Ordinances Moved Slowly in First Year, Officials Expect Greater Future Returns

by Anna Scott

DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES - Last year, the City Council adopted two housing ordinances expected to pave the way for more high-rises, additional affordable units and denser projects in the Central City, along with $200 million in public benefit funds.

One year later, however, Downtown has yet to see any impact from the measures, largely due to the ongoing housing slump. While officials are hopeful that the work will eventually pay off, no one can say for sure.

Only two proposed projects have used the Transfer of Floor Rights (TFAR) Ordinance since the Council adopted it in May 2007, after much fanfare and one unexpected mayoral veto. The ordinance allows Downtown Los Angeles developers to purchase "unused" space above the Convention Center, with revenues from the sale of the "air rights" going into a public benefits fund that can be used for any number of local causes.

One project has utilized the other measure, the so-called Downtown Ordinance, which was approved last August. Expected to urbanize design standards for the Central City while encouraging density, height and affordable housing inclusions, the ordinance allows developers to boost the size of their projects up to 35% if they make between 15% and 25% of their units affordable housing.

Both ordinances aim to streamline the city approval process for new housing projects by standardizing allowances that have been granted to developers on a case-by-case basis for years.

Despite the minimal response so far, officials said it is too soon to judge how fruitful the measures will be in the long term.

"We are all very aware of the sensitivity of the real estate market right now," said Ninth District Councilwoman Jan Perry, who represents much of Downtown and championed both ordinances. "The same factors that are affecting Downtown are affecting greater L.A. But I felt it was necessary to put these in place for the future, to make sure we have a framework in place as the market rebounds."

Taller, Denser

The first fully approved project to make use of the TFAR Ordinance was the Houk Development Company's $1.3 billion proposed Park Fifth complex at Olive and Fifth streets.

Approved by the Council in May, Park Fifth would be the tallest residential project west of Chicago, with a 76-story and a 44-story tower housing 790 condominiums and a 212-room hotel. In the works for years, Park Fifth had already been granted height variances by the time the TFAR ordinance was passed. Still, project manager Rich Marr said the measure was beneficial.

"TFAR was a lot more streamlined and easier to work with, so it did help improve the process," said Marr. "I can't say it materially changed our work, but it did make it somewhat easier, and for a new project coming along it makes it much easier."

In exchange for the air rights to 692,888 additional square feet of space, Park Fifth developers will provide approximately $17.7 million in public benefits, split between built-in public amenities (such as a renovation of Pershing Square immediately south of the project) and payments to local nonprofits, including the Skid Row Housing Trust and Downtown Women's Center. The developers have until April 2010 to pay for the transfer or the agreement with the city will expire.

The second project to make use of the TFAR ordinance is a proposed 29-story, 159-unit high-rise at 1133 S. Hope St., which is still in the entitlement process. In exchange for 50,000 additional square feet, the Vancouver-based Amacon Group paid a $250,000 transfer fee along with approximately $992,000 in public benefit funds, which went toward the Skid Row Housing Trust's under-construction New Carver Apartments.

A third project from the McGregor Co., also expected to use TFAR, is still in the planning stage.
(another project?)

Both Park Fifth and the Amacon development have experienced schedule delays. Marr said he expects his project to break ground early next year, while an Amacon official said that 1133 S. Hope St. will start construction in approximately a year.

Also still in the approval phase is a five-story condominium project, planned for a current parking lot on the northeast corner of 14th and Olive streets, which will utilize the Downtown Ordinance. The project, which would include 150 one- to three-bedroom units and contain a 20% affordable housing component, is being developed by California Landmark in partnership with financing company CityView.

"The way it's helping this project is by allowing a larger number of units," said Con Howe, the former city planning director and managing director of the CityView Los Angeles Fund. "We actually could have made the units even smaller, but we wanted to have a range of sizes."


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With just a few projects off the ground, timing has been the main factor behind the TFAR and Downtown ordinances' slow start, say observers.

"They just hit the market at the wrong time," said attorney John Whitaker, who represented developers in helping to craft the TFAR ordinance. TFAR, he noted, "took the City Council almost three years to get passed. By then, we almost missed the market."

Had the Downtown and TFAR ordinances been passed earlier, said IDS Real Estate Group Senior Vice President Patrick Spillane, his firm likely would have used one or both of them while planning its proposed mega-development Metropolis, one block north of L.A. Live. Although long delayed, it is slated to break ground next year.

"The city spent a couple of years working those ordinances through the pipeline," he said. If not for the floundering housing market, "The city would've seen a tremendously greater amount of use out of them." Still, he predicts that in the long run, the measures will pay dividends for Downtown.

City officials agree.

"I guess because of the economy, things haven't really worked out," said Karen Yamamoto, a senior planner in the Downtown region for the Community Redevelopment Agency. "But as it gets better, more people will come in. We have had a handful of inquiries in the last year, so there is interest out there."

Contact Anna Scott at [email protected].
     
     
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Downtown News Development Update:

Here is the update.

(or at least, it was)

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Old Posted Sep 19, 2008, 1:27 AM
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^ Geez... that cut and paste job above was excessive and abusive.

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^Then its probably no wonder it got shot down. After all, that would've brought quite a bit of cars to South Park. What I meant was that those residents on the other side of the Harbor Freeway likely wouldn't have complained as much if all of the signs were on the Figueroa st side of the Convention center, as well as Pico Blvd next to the underpass.
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Wow, maybe you should tell that to the residents bitching about it!
In what post here (other than yours - which you pulled out of thin air and is unsubstantiated) was there anything said about "those residents on the other side of the Harbor Freeway" "bitching" about the signs? Who are these residents you're speaking of? Where are you surmising this from?
     
     
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^ Geez... that cut and paste job above was excessive and abusive.



In what post here (other than yours - which you pulled out of thin air and is unsubstantiated) was there anything said about "those residents on the other side of the Harbor Freeway" "bitching" about the signs? Who are these residents you're speaking of? Where are you surmising this from?
downtowner, You are just beating your head against a brick wall...a brick wall that has unwanted signs that these phantom people apparently are "bitching" about.
Just assume that this information, along with Santa, the Easter Bunny, and cheap drinks at the Abbey....doesnt exist.

And please, from now on, just post a link to LADowntownNews, no need to fill an entire page with a copy/clip.
     
     
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I could have sworn I saw a section of a news story mentioning nearby residents’ concerns about the planned billboards. Of course, none of that has any merit with any of you if I can't find a relevant article verifying those claims. So therefore, i'm going to be searching for it shortly.

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^ Geez... that cut and paste job above was excessive and abusive.
Perhaps, but then again its not your job to tell me that, is it?

Look I know you guys are trying to help; unfortunately these kinds of conversations tend to linger hours after they start. So it might be wise to return to the topic at hand, which is the development update provided by Downtown News.

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Dude..seriously..there is no need to have copy and pasted the ENTIRE update. Delete it and just post the link.
     
     
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Alright then. However, because i'm using a phone to reply, I will have to do it later this afternoon.
     
     
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Huh, I leave town for three days and this thread devolves into a —-fest. JDR, I appreciate you posting articles, but there's no need to post the entire update. If you want to highlight specific parts, that's fine, but you should just post a link to the Downtown News instead. Shorter articles are okay to post, but you should always provide a link to the actual article.
     
     
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SEPTEMBER 18, 2008 | LA Live, 717 Ninth, Evo

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Was in town this past week, and thought I'd stroll over to LA live and look at the courtyard. But when I got there, they had the whole thing blocked off for a private event and I remember how little this city values public space. What's the point of all those stupid lights if I can't even walk there? Checked out Hanover too, and was put off by an overly large and tacky driveway. Times square of the west my —.

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Well to be fair, there's nothing to do at LA Live yet. Unless you like musiak. But the Emmy's are tomorrow or Sunday so they could've been preparing for that. Or they knew of POLA coming back to LA so they (whoever they are) decided to block the Plaza just to ruffle his feathers.

Conspiracy?
     
     
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on a more serious note:
anyone have any idea what floor the ritz at la-live is at? is it 30-something?
     
     
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^ They are on the 34th floor and are now working on floors 35-37.
     
     
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thanks westsidelife for the info
not to mention the photo updates
     
     
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Great photo update by fridayinla and posting by westsidelife. I think the Ritz-Carlton will add needed excitement to the Downtown skyline. Not sure about what types of vegetation are going to be planted around LA Live but I think Jacaranda trees would really compliment the look of the hotel and LA live well with their purple flowers when they bloom.
     
     
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Building purchase creates chain of 8th Street projects
by Stephen Friday on September 19, 2008

Developer Related Companies is in the process of purchasing a low profile art deco building at 740 S. Olive Street, which currently serves as Section 8 senior housing, reports the Downtown News.

Maguire Properties, a commercial real estate REIT with several Downtown office towers in its portfolio, has owned the property for nearly 30 years, but the company made a strategic move to sell before its HUD housing contract expires in May 2009.

Though that might seem like a great opportunity for the big developer behind the Grand Avenue Project, the article points out President Bill Witte is already in negotiations to extend the building’s status as government-subsidized housing.

Several planned upgrades to the property include better utilizing its 14,000 square-feet of retail space, with Witte on record saying new users will be brought in — a potential boon to this desolate stretch of 8th Street burdened with dead zones, vast parking lots and crumbling sidewalks.

This news follows two other big projects on nearby blocks hoping to bridge this no man’s land separating the Financial District, Historic Core and South Park.


Directly across the street, Astani Enterprises is working to build a massive, $500 million mixed-use complex known as 8th & Grand.

Architecture firm DeStefano and Partners has yet to complete final designs, but groundbreaking could occur next year.

One block west, another large-scale project by developer McGregor Company is being considered to replace an empty lot and four-story parking garage.

Despite making headlines as a 61-story tower, the site is only being studied for its highest possible environmental impact, giving the company the flexibility to downsize a design scope as necessary to meet market conditions. An actual proposed project could be years away.

Still, the foundation is being laid to undo decades of poor planning that has left this area in the condition it’s in today.

     
     
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