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Old Posted May 5, 2008, 5:20 AM
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LOL!

Are they still doing the Georgia Street Plaza, that fountain thingy? That would be so cool to have in Vancouver. Let's surround the olympic clock with that =D
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Old Posted May 5, 2008, 7:17 PM
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The fountains on the plaza may end up being a bit stark. Looks like they get rid of all the trees except new street trees.
Think Yonge Dundas Square in Toronto which has the same water features and suffers if there is no pedestrian activity. i.e. think rainy day.

I think what we have now is better than a relatively barren plaza. i.e. Toronto is trying to soften the look of Nathan Philips Square - why are we going in the opposite direction?

BTW - the fountain on the plaza is the BC Centennial Fountain - erected on BC's 100th anniversary (of being founded) in 1958. This year is BC's 150th anniversary.
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Old Posted May 5, 2008, 7:53 PM
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The fountains on the plaza may end up being a bit stark. Looks like they get rid of all the trees except new street trees.
Think Yonge Dundas Square in Toronto which has the same water features and suffers if there is no pedestrian activity. i.e. think rainy day.

I think what we have now is better than a relatively barren plaza. i.e. Toronto is trying to soften the look of Nathan Philips Square - why are we going in the opposite direction?
Agreed - they shouldnt pave it over simply to say they "changed" the area - NPS in TO is brutal, and YDS, with the newly completed "Toronto Life Square", has turned out to be a big POS, in my opinion - no idea why they would want to turn the whole block into a water feature that would only really be utilized 2-3 months of the year.

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Old Posted May 6, 2008, 12:52 AM
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Sorry SFUVancouver, was hoping to see what you thought before I let the wild dogs at the bones.

Anyways heres a link to where I'm hosting it, my bandwidth there is going to get killed so maybe someone can host it elsewhere. It's over 5mb so don't even think of opening it directly, just save it onto your computers first. Enjoy.

http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/4/...3/Robsonsq.pdf
No worries. I was off line for a weekend for an extended family gathering.

Interesting reading, jlousa, thanks for the file.

Here are some highlights:

1. SUMMARY OF THE PROJECT
The scope of this project is to provide the necessary consulting services to develop, implement and manage the delivery of a public consultation process to gather feedback and input on the revitalization of Robson Square, including:

• The proposed Asia Pacific Trade and Cultural Centre Pavilion building; and

• The proposed Georgia Street Plaza


In addition the public consultation process is to seek input on revitalization ideas that would help achieve the following objectives for the Ice Rink Plaza, the Art Gallery Plaza and the areas around the corner of Robson Street and Howe Street, including:

• Enhanced public use of the Ice Rink Plaza for year round gatherings, functions and celebrations;

• Enhanced visibility, connectedness and accessibility of the lower Ice Rink Plaza from Robson Street;

• Significant weather protection for the ice rink and lower plaza area to encourage year round use of the
space; and

• Providing increased street level presence for UBC Robson Square on Robson, Howe and Hornby.


[It mentions the plan for renovations and then continues]

In 2007 planning commenced for the next phases of the remediation program. The remediation planning included:

• Areas previously identified as requiring envelope remediation but assigned a lower priority and not included in the previous phases of the work

• New areas with failed envelope components discovered as the previous work progressed.


In conjunction with planning the next phases of remediation, it became evident, in part through feedback from the tenants, that the public spaces required revitalization. In addition, The Province’s Asia Pacific Initiatives were investigating Robson Square a central location to facilitate the operation of their programs.

Accommodation and Real Estate Services (ARES) together with the Ministry of Economic Development commissioned Clive Grout Architect in collaboration with Arthur Erickson and Nick Milkovich Architects to develop concepts for the revitalization and enhancement of the public spaces located in Block 51 and Block 61. Specifically, the objectives of the revitalization concepts were focused on achieving:

• enhanced visibility and accessibility of the lower Ice Rink Plaza from Robson Street;

• providing significant rain protection to the ice rink and lower plaza area;

• providing new opportunities on the Robson Street level for public gathering and formal and informal performance/entertainment;

• revitalizing the corner of Robson Street and Hornby to support Asia Pacific Trade and Cultural initiatives;

• establishing a formal civic gathering space on the existing Centennial Plaza on Georgia Street, thereby providing a setting for a wide range of formal and informal activities;

• Strengthening the connection between the public spaces located at the Georgia Street plaza and the plaza spaces around the ice rink and the southern face of the Art Gallery; and

• Providing increased street level presence for UBC Robson Square on Robson / Howe and Hornby.


Coincident with development of the revitalization concepts, General Electric (GE) and the Province of BC announced a sponsorship donation from GE for the operation of the ice rink. Re-opening of the ice rink will contribute to the vitality of the space by providing a focus for public gathering and activity especially in the winter months and the sponsorship agreement with GE will help that be realized.

The concept plans developed by Clive Grout for the revitalization of Robson Square are enclosed as Appendix 3. The main Revitalization concepts include:

• A new entry “Pavilion” for the Asia Pacific Trade and Cultural Centre constructed with frontage on the Robson-Hornby corner and a landscaped terrace level access on the revitalized mound. The entry pavilion will be connected to the Asia Pacific area currently being planned for the former ICBC space. It also includes a new section of stairs along the sidewalk frontage that would mimic the stairs to the Art Gallery Annex across the street. This will create an “amphitheatre” setting for public uses and further enliven this corner of Robson.

• A simple formal granite-paved plaza in the heart of the urban core for use by all. This will serve as a forecourt to the heritage law courts building (no matter who is the long-term lessee) and a large public gathering place. A water and light feature would be incorporated into the new plaza.


The original concept plans also included a large roof structure covering the entire ice rink plaza and spanning over Robson Street. That component has not been accepted.
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Old Posted May 6, 2008, 1:16 AM
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When is this supposed to be completed?
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 9:35 PM
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Clamshell over Robson Square: Is it really dead?

Remember that idea for a clamshell roof over Robson Square that was being blamed as a dreamchild of Premier Gordon Campbell? The one that caused such a ruckus when my colleague Miro Cernetig wrote about it that the government quickly folded the tent (pun intended) and said the $40 million "elegant signature iconic glass and timber roof" was being cancelled? (See another of his stories here.)
The one that was such an embarrassment for the government that it insisted that any plans for revitalization of the Robson Square centre needed to go through a consultation process

Economic Development Minister Colin Hansen even told the media on April 24 that the roof idea was dead, thanks largely to a campaign by Cernetiq and The Vancouver Sun's editorial board.
Well, for a brief moment this week we thought the project had come back to life like a vampire whose heart had been missed by the stake.
On May 1 the government, true to its promise, issued a request for proposals for consulting services for the public consultation process. It even included a handy-dandy attachment of the RFP for potential bidders to download.
But when one looks at the 50-page document there is a bit of a surprise lurking in the back. From page 38 onwards there is an interesting series of plans and timelines that show the supposedly-dead roof resurrected again. Along with an expectation that construction will be finished by the end of 2009.
Naturally, I called Hansen for comment. I don't normally catch Hansen unprepared, but this time he was literally speechless. He said he didn't know about the newest proposal and immediately disconnected so as to go check out the story.
Within 10 minutes he'd called back, both embarrassed and perturbed. No, he said, the roof was not part of the project. It really is dead as a Dodo. Someone inadvertently included an early architectural report to the RFP so as to illustrate the concept, but no, no, no, the clam has been shucked, he said.
"It was clearly a non-starter," he said. "I made it quite clear that the clamshell roof is quite dead."
Hansen also says the revitalization won't be finished before the 2010 Winter Games.
"There is absolutely no way that this can be finished before the Games," he said.
Hansen says the province is refurbishing and expanding the existing skating rink in time for the Games. It will have a roof to protect it from rain, but that won't be a clamshell or span the road. Robson Square will also be used as a public celebration site during the Games, where the province will have an unaccredited media centre, the BC Showcase pavilion, and the 2010 Commerce Centre.
As of Wednesday afternoon the province hadn't fixed the faulty RFP attachment. It didn't really want the public to see the schematics for the roof, but for the record I've posted a copy of the RFP document here.

http://communities.canada.com/vancou...ally-dead.aspx
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 9:45 PM
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^ uh, yeah, maybe next time the reporter might want to read the request for tenders. yeesh.
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 10:47 PM
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^ uh, yeah, maybe next time the reporter might want to read the request for tenders. yeesh.
That would require Canwest reporters to have the ability to actually read and properly research stories. Come on! What are you going to ask for next!
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Old Posted May 8, 2008, 11:38 PM
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I honestly hope Canwest goes bankrupt.....it's basically becoming the News Corporation/Fox of Canada.
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I honestly hope Canwest goes bankrupt.....it's basically becoming the News Corporation/Fox of Canada.
Aw, come on! It's bad, but not that bad.
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Aw, come on! It's bad, but not that bad.
It's like a virus....it grows and grows and grows. Fox News wasn't bad, but not that bad, a decade ago. Canwest is traveling on a slippery slope. It has gotten worse over the past few years.
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Old Posted May 9, 2008, 12:14 AM
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Nah Fox is just down there. CanWest is getting worse but not that far yet. Global BC should just become BCTV again... much better then.
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Old Posted May 9, 2008, 12:24 AM
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Nah Fox is just down there. CanWest is getting worse but not that far yet. Global BC should just become BCTV again... much better then.




I would even go as far as saying that Global BC was responsible for that "outrage" over the RCMP taser incident at YVR. While horrible and deserving of coverage, they took it way way out of context. They were spinning it in every way they could....and you can also tell by the Sun and Province headlines.

CTV is also heading down the same path, and CBC has started following their lead too....those online polls/comment questions are just ridiculous.
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Old Posted May 9, 2008, 6:46 PM
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I honestly hope Canwest goes bankrupt.....it's basically becoming the News Corporation/Fox of Canada.
Agreed - I'm a big news fiend and have always preferred BCTV - buts its just turned to crap. The story's the lead off with tonight at 5, will still be lead tomorrow at noon - they cycle the same shit through for 5 newscasts (5, 6, 11, morning and noon)....and all it covers is the same crap in the Sun and Province, word for word - get rid of the Province jokers - Dana Gee and Stuart Derdyn - that stuff is not news. It all went downhill when all three became part of same org.

BBC World is a decent news service. Great world newscast, and good programming in between (world business report, click, fast track, reporters etc) as well.
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Old Posted May 9, 2008, 7:27 PM
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I hate Global probably more then the next guy but there was a mistake in the RFP.
If anyone read the whole thing instead of just skimming it, then it's clear there is no roof, but if they only looked at the timeline then the roof is still there. The RFP has even been recalled and they are adjusting it to remove the roof completely. So it still boils down to sloppy journalism.
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Figured I'd revive this as it's now in progess, and there some more info.

The new clear domes will be 3ft lower then the existing ones to improve visibilty to the lower level, as we talked about here the new greenery will be much lower as well. The lighting will be via leds and will include colour shifting to entice people to come see what's going on. They have decided against the new stairwells as they plan on using the money saved to make the existing stairs better and more inviting. They figured if people won't come down the exisiting 4 stairwells, then they still wouldn't with 6. They are also considering buying out some of the leasees to bring in something that draws people, they have considered restaurants but they have failed there in the past, so they are still hashing out ideas.

We can probably change the title from proposed to u/c.
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Old Posted Sep 10, 2008, 10:49 PM
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Thanks for the info
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this project had so much potential initially; now it's a bit of a disappointment
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Old Posted Sep 11, 2008, 12:52 AM
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We can probably change the title from proposed to u/c.
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this project had so much potential initially; now it's a bit of a disappointment
Well we did loose a nice roof but I don't think we should just say this project has no potential.
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The construction schedule for the project was released this morning at a site meeting. The project will be starting as close to October 1st as possible with a scheduled completion date of February 9th, to be ready for the one year countdown to the games on February 12th.

The start date of October 1st is going to be somewhat tight, as the tendering of the project does not even close until September 25th, barring any extensions. With at least a week of mobilization that should be a difficult target to hit, but at least it lights the fires to get the contractors moving on this project ASAP.
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