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[newflyer]

Originally Posted by Andy6

Well, very few of the professionals I work with in Toronto take the subway to work even though we have a stop in the building. I'm sure many haven't seen the inside of a subway car in decades. I think that people here tend to romanticize the subway or streetcar -- when you use it a lot the thrill rapidly wears off. I live close enough to walk to work just so that I can avoid the subway.

This thread should be renamed .. Romanticizing BRT.

Its not the great solution that so many here think it is ... but what ever.

[Greco Roman]

So a little "birdy" told me that there should be an announcement on a new rapid transit system very, very soon in Winnipeg. Anyone else heard of this as well?

[JayM]

Originally Posted by Greco Roman

So a little "birdy" told me that there should be an announcement on a new rapid transit system very, very soon in Winnipeg. Anyone else heard of this as well?

Hopefully this little 'birdie' isnt shot and killed for the mentioning of it. lol

[Spocket]

^
I'm picturing this chair in an otherwise dark room with a single lamp overhead. The bird is tied to the chair and some guy with a car battery is about to...oh...wait...wrong fantasy.

Anyway, I think Katz said something about an announcement in September. Now that it's September I expect him to announce that there'll be another announcement in January.

[thegreattait]

Who knows maybe with the federal election, the conservatives might try to "win" some key seats in the city that haven't gone conservative in ages, maybe Katz kept pushing off the announcement because the election kept getting pushed back.

Hey if they promise money for LRT they have my vote.

It might be a good strategy for the conservatives to focus on infrastructure that is good for the environment as oppose to some ridiculous new tax that will stifle the economy. Green infrastructure, not only cleans up the environment, it stimulates the economy with construction.

We can build our way to a greener world.

[1ajs]

yea and is good for winnipeg speacly if everything is made localy or does newflyer make lrt stuff?

[JayM]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

yea and is good for winnipeg speacly if everything is made localy or does newflyer make lrt stuff?

Not that i know of, just BRT. Someone should run that by NewFlyer about making LRT components.

[thegreattait]

Well at least Bombardier makes LRT, and that could help with voters in Quebec.

So they should announce a funding agreement that allocates additional funding if the solution is Canadian made.

[1ajs]

^^ haha best of both worlds

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

yea and is good for winnipeg speacly if everything is made localy or does newflyer make lrt stuff?

You've got a lot to learn Adrian... A lot.

[1ajs]

Originally Posted by jimj_wpg

You've got a lot to learn Adrian... A lot.

in what sens?

[LilZebra]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

in what sens?

Well, all you have to do is to check NewFlyer.com and look at their product line... Also maybe you could read the FP & Sun Business section once every now and then, and they would tell you that NF just makes buses.

Maybe one day NF will be smart enough to get into the LRT rail vehicle business, but for now they just do diesel buses and catenary-type electric trolleybuses.

[1ajs]

aww i see now

anyhow there's supost to be some sorta announcement tomorrow morning
10:00 a.m.
at the Osborne Transit Garage, 421 Osborne

In attendance:
Premier Gary Doer
Mayor Sam Katz

[Greco Roman]

Originally Posted by 1ajs

aww i see now

anyhow there's supost to be some sorta announcement tomorrow morning
10:00 a.m.
at the Osborne Transit Garage, 421 Osborne

In attendance:
Premier Gary Doer
Mayor Sam Katz

Prediction....................wait for it........................BRT.

Yay

[theruler462]

Details of rapid-transit system coming today
By: Bartley Kives

Updated: September 8 at 06:52 AM CDT

Gary Doer and Sam Katz are finally ready to lift the lid on Winnipeg's new bus rapid transit system.

Manitoba's premier and Winnipeg's mayor have called a 10 a.m. press conference to divulge details about a southwest Winnipeg bus corridor that will connect downtown with the University of Manitoba.

The city and province have been in talks about a busway since March, when Ottawa handed Manitoba $17.9 million for transit and alternative modes of transportation

In recent months, Winnipeg Transit has taken a detailed look at the costs and logistical challenges involved in building a southwest Winnipeg bus corridor that would run from The Forks alongside the CNR Fort Rouge Yards to Jubilee Avenue, where it would cross over Pembina Highway on a new dedicated overpass. It would then follow the CNR Letellier line to the University of Manitoba, roughly parallel to Pembina Highway.

The projected price tag for the project, which would also include a half-dozen passenger stations, was $187 million in July, according to sources. That figure includes the cost of land assembly, the new Jubilee overpass, realigning part of the CNR Letellier line and potential construction inflation.

The city and province have also discussed the possibility of paying for the project by creating a new bus-corridor financing body loosely modelled on the Manitoba Floodway Authority.

Katz and provincial officials have hinted they could set up a new agency to borrow some of the money up front, then pay back the capital and interest over a decade, possibly using tax revenues from developments alongside the corridor.

The province is expected to at least match a federal contribution of up to $17.9 million, and the city could devote money to the project from future capital budgets.

The city would also have the option of building a light-rail track on the corridor in the future, but has no immediate plans to pursue light-rail transit. In July, a senior transit official called the cost of light rail "prohibitively expensive," given the layout of the city and the fact an LRT system would require the construction of new park-and-ride lots and the creation of feeder routes.

Light-rail transit would cost eight to 10 times as much as bus rapid transit.

[email protected]

[Greco Roman]

Originally Posted by theruler462

The city would also have the option of building a light-rail track on the corridor in the future, but has no immediate plans to pursue light-rail transit. In July, a senior transit official called the cost of light rail "prohibitively expensive," given the layout of the city and the fact an LRT system would require the construction of new park-and-ride lots and the creation of feeder routes.

Light-rail transit would cost eight to 10 times as much as bus rapid transit.

[email protected]

BINGO!

You know what this means? This means that no light rail or any other DECENT rapid transit system will EVER happen in this city. I am thoroughly dissapointed, unimpressed and disgusted, but I did expect them to take the easy way out as usual. So now we are stuck with poor-mans rapid transit.

No vision. No ambition. No serious, well thought-out long-term planning.

That's my hometown.

That's Winnipeg.

Congratulations to Saskatoon for taking the right direction from the start and planning for an LRT system for their city instead of dumping some half-assed inferior thing on their citizens. Clearly Saskatoon City Council thinks a hell of a lot more about their inhabitants.

[Only The Lonely..]

I totally agree.

We used to compete with Chicago back in the day, now we try and nickle and dime our way above Grand Forks.

I'd also like to know how much more expensive it is to build this thing 6 years after the fact.

When Murray was the mayor it was $75 million for the Pembina leg of the system, now its $187 million.

The project has more than doubled since! Think of what we could have done, and all the money we could have saved, had we just built the Pembina leg back then.

We'd be building a second line by now.

[1ajs]

or upgrading it to lrt

[Spocket]

Originally Posted by Only The Lonely..

When Murray was the mayor it was $75 million for the Pembina leg of the system, now its $187 million.

The project has more than doubled since! Think of what we could have done, and all the money we could have saved, had we just built the Pembina leg back then.

We'd be building a second line by now.

Actually, , as I recall, Murray's plan for the $75 million only went as far as Jubilee.

As for Saskatoon , they're not building an LRT line, simply planning for one. It could be 50 years away so in that sense we're well ahead of them anyway. This gives us the stations as well as the ROW.

[1ajs]

138millin cjob is saying and it goes from the forks to jubily with future expansion to bison drive


with tuneling and ew bridges starting from queen eleibith way with bike paths 3 years to construct no date for start of construction yet