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Old Posted Aug 28, 2008, 3:02 AM
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RC14 I am assuming you are meaning a stop between 600 and 700 S, they already planned for a future stop there, as you will notice that there is a grass area between the tracks that is not coincidentally the exact size of the other stations.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2008, 3:52 AM
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Viper's update for the week...

I was messing around on the County Recorders website looking at legal records and stuff, because I'm that big of a nerd you know... LOL

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It appears this peice has a new owner. The university of utah bought the building and the 3.3 acres around it as shown in the red outline. Wonder what they will do with it...


The Broadway Park lofts that I had mentioned earlier were experiencing financial issues appears to be better now. They got better financing through there lender, and paid off all those threatening to lein the property. Hopefully work will continue shortly...

The Symphony at the Gateway condos are currently seeking bids.
http://www.bidclerk.com/project.820410.html

A new Salt Lake Fleet shed site is being built in the Glendale area, 1990 South500 West . There have been talks about the current shed site at 800 south and 300 west being demolished once the new shed site is complete. This would free up one whole block on the South end of DT. plans for the parcel are unknown. City Officials are trying to encourage budgeting and buying large parcels of land DT, and holding onto them incase if the need for a large stadium parcel should arise.
http://www.bidclerk.com/project.657158.html
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2008, 4:12 AM
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Viper's update for the week...

A new Salt Lake Fleet shed site is being built in the Glendale area, 1990 South500 West . There have been talks about the current shed site at 800 south and 300 west being demolished once the new shed site is complete. This would free up one whole block on the South end of DT. plans for the parcel are unknown. City Officials are trying to encourage budgeting and buying large parcels of land DT, and holding onto them incase if the need for a large stadium parcel should arise.
http://www.bidclerk.com/project.657158.html
That comment right there really intrigues me. I like that some city officials are thinking ahead in a area of the city that won't be in high demand in the next 10-20 years so that when a new team is looking to come to town they will have the property already tied up and ready to provide the cities part of the deal. It sounds like someone realizes that the same thing could happen for football or baseball that happened with soccer, if the land isn't readily available.
     
     
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Good to hear that the Broadway Park Lofts are back on track. That is one of my favorite projects downtown. The look of it, is something I hope we'll see more of in the future.

Future Mayor, I hope you're right. Nothing would make me happier than to know that future land for an NFL stadium had been secured.
     
     
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Walsh: Will fate eliminate the blight?
By Rebecca Walsh
Tribune Columnist
Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated:08/28/2008 12:06:51 AM MDT
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10321406

Good luck always seems to find Salt Lake City's parking lot kings - David Bernolfo and Stephen Bamberger.
Nine years ago, a squatter serendipitously set a fire that gutted the boarded-up historic South Temple apartment building the partners wanted to tear down. In 2003, wiring in a shoe repair shop next door sparked the first 5-alarm fire in the city in three decades.
Both buildings eventually were demolished. A dusty, fenced vacant lot still marks the spot five years later, grand plans for an office and commercial complex apparently shelved.
Now, the cousins and heirs to the state's first Democratic and only Jewish governor, railroad scion Simon Bamberger, have stumbled into the right place and the right time again:
Their parking lot behind the Peery Hotel is identified as a possible site for a downtown Broadway-style theater. In capital city leaders' rush to beat the suburbs to the swish of the curtain, Bamberger Investment and Exploration Co. might finally get permission to tear down the shuttered Zephyr Club.
It's positively Greek.
After five years of trying to get city permission to demolish the club, Bamberger Investment suddenly has leverage.
Mayor Ralph Becker says he will not agree to any quid pro quo. "I cannot imagine me - and I would have to approve this - signing off on a deal that would involve tearing down that building," Becker says. "Other folks can have another agenda, but that is not the city's agenda."
Bamberger and Bernolfo did not return my phone calls.
But I talked to them after the Roberta Apartments burned in 1999. They were getting a reputation for buying old buildings and letting them fall apart until frustrated city officials would give in and sign the demolition permit.
Even Bamberger and Bernolfo's Main Street office looked abandoned. When chided about that, they installed a faux gallery for mayoral portrait painter Galina Perova. They do business a few doors down from the now-vacant Salt Lake Tribune building.
David Bernolfo acknowledged at the time that he let the apartments decay. "I would not have bought it if I thought it was historic," he said. "Maybe we could have done more."
Since then, the parking lot partners have torn down several historic structures, including the Salt Lake Stamp building - in spite of the city's refusal to grant permission for yet another parking lot.
"It's going to be a dirt lot within a very few feet of Main Street," predicted their attorney at the time, Tony Rampton.
And that's what it is.
There are other Salt Lake City property owners holding on to blighted downtown eyesores, sometimes for decades, always promising to do something - when light rail construction ends, after the Olympics, when the economy is better. The excuse du jour is the City Creek Center. Once the LDS Church's housing and shopping complex opens, Main Street is supposed to come to life.
But Bernolfo and Bamberger are different. Rather than building things, they tear things down, replacing brick with asphalt. Together and individually, they own properties in various states of repair on Post Office Place, Broadway and California Ave. - including the vacant Club Naked building on West Temple. Members of the family also own the property condemned by the federal government to create a spot for the historic Oddfellows Building and clear the way for a new U.S. courthouse.
"We have too much vacant property downtown," says the mayor. "We have folks who are landbanking. And in the meantime, we have these large parcels of ground where nothing is happening."
Because the city is in negotiations with Bamberger, no current nor former city officials wanted to talk. Those who have met with Bernolfo say he considers his surface parking lots a boon to the city. Eventually, he hopes to build condo towers on the Zephyr block.
Meantime, Salt Lake City Weekly Associate Editor Bill Frost documents the Zephyr's weather-beaten exterior with a weekly photo, as in: "Dead Zephyr - Week 249."
"It just kind of made me depressed," Frost says. "I decided to share my depression with the world. It really pisses a lot of people off."
Bernolfo and Bamberger seem immune to the disgust of a city. Their strategy seems to be: If you wait long enough, the fates will intervene.
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^^^

There must be something the City can do with REPROBATES like these, to at the very least force them to maintain their proerty in an acceptable state. This type of scum wreaks of the same kind of landlord corruption I've seen in L.A. or the east coast.

An important post Viper, Perhaps, we as forumers can write in to Rebecca Walsh. We could encourage her to continue the Trib.'s expose of these scumlords.
     
     
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"We have too much vacant property downtown," says the mayor. "We have folks who are landbanking. And in the meantime, we have these large parcels of ground where nothing is happening."
This is probably the best part of the whole article. To me it says that at least Mayor Becker has finally had enough of land bankers. I would love to hear the audio version to hear if he might have been eluding to a change in policy regarding land bankers.

I personally feel that they should put in place a tax rate on single level parking lots (street level) with 10 or more stalls that doubles every 5 years that the lot sits without being developed. This would be in place for any lot that is between N. Temple - 6th South and State St. - 4 West.

They need to make it more economical for a land banker to develop the lot then to let it sit empty or as a parking lot downtown.
     
     
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A very big DITTO to that Makid!!!!!
     
     
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They need to make it more economical for a land banker to develop the lot then to let it sit empty or as a parking lot downtown.
     
     
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I think we should have a cap on the total number of parking lots allowed for downtown. I heard that if every man woman and child attending a jazz game rode their own car downtown they would still have almost 600 parking spaces left over. Also I agree we need to make it more expensive to own a parking lot then to keep up on an existing building.
     
     
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I like the concept of taxing the crap out of surface parking lots and creating design standards for parking structures. I think you could probably require a property owner to have a certain percentage of ground floor space occupied. the City could also not allow demolitions unless their is an approved reuse plan or if the building is an immediate hazard (like the DV8 building after the fire).
     
     
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RC14 I am assuming you are meaning a stop between 600 and 700 S, they already planned for a future stop there, as you will notice that there is a grass area between the tracks that is not coincidentally the exact size of the other stations.
Oh, dear. It does look like there is room planned for another station there.


Mostly, I'm just being selfish because they make my commute so much longer, but do we really need all of these stations downtown? (I ride FrontRunner/TRAX from Clearfield to Murray)

I can literally get off the inbound train at 500 S. and walk to the FrontRunner hub quicker than TRAX will get me there.

They really need to implement some sort of express train system that bypasses these stations, or better yet, build a direct connection from 900 S. to the Intermodal hub, bypassing DT altogether.

Actually, once FrontRunner S. is complete, I'll ride it all the way to Murray and connect to TRAX at 5300 S., which should solve my problem.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2008, 10:21 PM
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They really need to implement some sort of express train system that bypasses these stations, or better yet, build a direct connection from 900 S. to the Intermodal hub, bypassing DT altogether.
The point of the planned collector is to get trains in and out of downtown quicker. A train could conceivably go straight to the central station and then through downtown and back south on one track, while a collector train, travelling in the opposite direction on the other track would be the primary mover of people throughout downtown. The collector will travel south down 500 West to 900 South and then on the existing track in a circle.

I do like the express train idea, maybe bypassing the stops between 2100 and Gallivan. if they had complete signal priority than it would probably cut off 5 mintues. If not, then it would only save a couple of minutes at best.
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 28, 2008, 10:27 PM
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Future Mayor: I was refering to that block between 600 and 700 South. I thought there was probubly a station planed there at some point, but I wasn't sure if that had been droped. I havent heard anything about it in a while.

Arkhitektor: I completely agree that TRAX is way too slow. One time I got off at Galivan Plaza and walked down 300s. to the Intermodal Hub, just to see how long it takes, and I got there at the same time the train did.
I would still like to see a station at 600s. I think it would help encourage more development and vitality in that area. I think the south bound Frontrunner line and the DT circulator will help speed up the commute, however I would also like to see some type of Express TRAX line in the future.
     
     
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Do TRAX trains have any sort of signal priority now?

It seems that trains are always waiting at lights downtown. Almost like the lights are timed so that if the trains are running perfectly on schedule, they'll get priority, but since TRAX is always a few minutes behind, the whole thing gets screwed up.

They need true priority, IE - whenever the train is there, it gets to go through w/o waiting.
     
     
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I don't know I have wondered the same thing. If they don't I think they should.
     
     
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anybody know if the meridian condos finished up yet???

http://www.slcmeridiencondos.com/public/home.asp

the site lists July 2008 as the finish date. some pics would be cool if someone wants to take the time to scout it out.
     
     
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I was just thinking about the Trax dilemma today also. I was thinking something along the same lines as Cololi, were certain trains don't make every stop. Maybe the commuter time trains have limited stops once they enter downtown, maybe one train stops at every other station and the next train stops at the others, both with inbound from the south and inbound from Central Station. I think with the frequency of trains during commuter times this could actually speed up peoples commutes, even if they do have to wait a few minutes for their train.

The problem with this is that people would have to have a brain and actually use it. They would have to know which train they needed to get on in order to arrive at their particular station (that's alot to ask)
     
     
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I was messing around on the County Recorders website looking at legal records and stuff, because I'm that big of a nerd you know... LOL

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It appears this peice has a new owner. The university of utah bought the building and the 3.3 acres around it as shown in the red outline. Wonder what they will do with it...

Isn't that the old Coca-Cola bottling plant? I bet the U. uses it as a warehouse.
     
     
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