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Old Posted Aug 21, 2008, 12:55 PM
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^I agree. The Wick is not really my idea of an old building that is worthy of preservation. What I would like to see is a wholesale rehabilitation of the wonderful late 1800's-early 1900's buildings along Dundas (downtown) and the south end of Richmond. The area has great potential. This would mean clearing out the hemp shops and tattoo parlours (good riddance).
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2008, 1:14 PM
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The 'Wick will be replaced by.... a parking lot.

Still want it torn down?
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Old Posted Aug 21, 2008, 1:47 PM
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The Wick won't go anywhere until the owner finishes paying for the facade restoration from a few years back.

A pretty penny was probably dropped on that.
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Actually it's probably in their favor to build a parking lot, lots of money in that since there are barely enough spaces downtown as it is. London has got to step up to the plate and build underground parking, or a parking structure on an existing empty lot. That would saturate the market and encourage building construction and preservation downtown.

Edit: that's just my own theory, but I think it's realistic. Kitchener is using that same strategy.
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I scoff at the idea there aren't enough parking spaces downtown. I never have trouble with parking in downtown London. The parking lots around King and Clarence and along York are particularly empty most of the time.
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Old Posted Aug 23, 2008, 3:30 AM
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$1M facelift for City Centre

Fri, August 22, 2008


The new owners of the City Centre complex are giving the twin towers a $1 million facelift.

Work crews have begun cleaning and pressure washing the concrete exterior of the two buildings at Wellington and Dundas streets, which have been landmarks of the London skyline for 35 years.

Montreal-based Redbourne Group bought the office-retail complex last year for $50.5 million.

Redbourne vice-president Allan Taylor said the exterior cleaning is the beginning of a two-year project to upgrade the building.

"This is just the first phase of a big plan," Taylor said.




The renovations should help attract tenants to vacant retail space on the ground floor, he said.

The first big catch is expected to a Tim Hortons outlet. The management of Galleria London has confirmed the busy Tim Hortons outlet in the mall is shutting down.

Taylor said he cannot confirm the outlet is moving across Wellington Street to City Centre, but said an announcement would be made in a few weeks about a new tenant for restaurant space recently vacated by the Druxy's Deli chain.

Redbourne has established a management office in City Centre, headed by London native Peter Vandusen.

Vandusen said the exterior cleaning job is the first since the building was constructed in 1973. The second tower was completed in 1975.

The cleaning started last month and should be completed in October.

The two buildings have become famous during the years for the peregrine falcons that nest on them.

The falcons are still swooping around, said Victor Morley of Walltech Restoration, the company doing the cleaning work. There do not appear to be any falcon chicks this year, so the falcons are not aggressive, he said.

The two towers have 550,000 square feet of office space and 335 garage and surface parking spaces. TD-Canada Trust is the major tenant and signed a long-term lease for 300,000 square feet last year. The attached building housing the Hilton Hotel was sold separately in 1998

Taylor said the ground floor retail space primarily serves the office tenants, but Redbourne hopes to draw more people into the building with renovations that draw high-profile tenants.

The upgrades to the buildings would help the overall downtown revitalization effort, he said.

"When the core wins, we win," said Taylor.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2008, 10:06 PM
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So the Galleria is now going to be "CITI Plaza"...

yet the TD building is .. "City Centre"

This should prove fun.
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Old Posted Aug 25, 2008, 11:00 PM
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London will get more than $33.5 million

London gets provincial cash for public-works projects

Mon, August 25, 2008


London will get more than $33.5 million to spend on public works, part of a $1.1 billion infrastructure package for municipalities across Ontario, the Ontario government said today.

The cash infusion was announced at a meeting of the Association of Ontario Municipalities and is the latest in a series of funding initiatives by upper governments to help cities and towns repair, replace and expand infrastructure.

"It's a great announcement and a great boost," London Mayor Anne Marie DeCicco-Best said/

The funding program appears to have fewer strings attached than one jointly announced in July by Ottawa and Queens Park that will provide $6.2 billion but will require cities and towns to pick up one-third of the costs.

It appears London will have the flexibility to use its share for a single project or wide swath of projects such as road work, the mayor said.




"I'm confident there's enough flexibility," she said.

City council will have to decide where to direct the funds, she said.

A set of options is being prepared by administrators and will be presented to the city's Board of Control when it meets Sept. 10, she said.

Before those options are finalized, the city must find out what deadlines the province will set for starting and completing projects that are funded, DeCicco-Best said.

With this year's construction season winding down in a few months, the mayor hopes the province won't require projects to be completed by year's end.

London's allocation and that of other cities and towns were based on population as of the 2006 census and was taken from a 2007 surplus of $1.7 billion - the rest will be used to reduce provincial debt.

"By investing in infrastructure in every Ontario community, we're creating jobs for families and making our communities stronger," said Premier Dalton McGuinty.

London-Fanshawe MPP Khalil Ramal said the funding will make a difference in London. "London will now have the ability to choose their next infrastructure project, and to move that project forward."

More good news may be ahead, DeCicco-Best said — civic politicians at the conference in Ottawa have been told to expect a second announcement by the Ontario minister of energy and infrastructure, George Smitherman.


$238 million for Toronto
$77 million for Ottawa
$33.5 million for London
$20 million for Niagara Region
$48 million for Hamilton
$20 million for Windsor
$10 million for Chatham-Kent
$22.5 million for Waterloo Region
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1. Replace the rickety wooden bridge on Sarnia spanning the railtracks.
2. downtown overpasses/underpasses on the major roads (e.g., Richmond) on the CP rail tracks.
3. explore options for dedicated north/south transitway (Wellington/Richmond, from White Oaks through downtown, UWO, to Masonville), and east/west (along Oxford).
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Hmmmm...

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2. downtown overpasses/underpasses on the major roads (e.g., Richmond) on the CP rail tracks.
I think an overpass at the Richmond CP Tracks is near impossible due to the proximity of the neighbouring buildings.

However, I think an underpass at this location might be just what the doctor ordered. Now, having no idea what the logistics of such a project would be (engineering, etc.), I think that if done correctly, this could be a really neat feature for the area. By sinking the Richmond traffic into the ground, ala the Depression "Make-Work" Project Wellington and Richmond subways at the CN Tracks, you can eliminate the numerous vehicles that traverse that spot daily from the EYE. Now, there are two things to consider here, with the most important being would the businesses in the area support their storefronts being taken away from the eyes of passing motorists, or would the resulting pedestrian-only areas that would remain at the ground level (unlike the aforementioned Wellington and Richmond subways) provide enough storefront exposure and advertising for the existing businesses (my answer to this being a resounding YES!). Of course, this would mean that pedestrian traffic would be encumbered by the at-grade rail crossing, but to that I say 'so what'. Perhaps a pedestrian walkway could still be incorporated into the subway/underpass, but I think that creating some sort of 'street level pedestrian promenade' in this area could prove unbelievably successful. The area is already fairly heavy in foot traffic, and without the at-grade traffic around this area, it could become a very cool pedestrian 'mall' type of area. The area is already home to four fairly significant highrises within a 300m radius, and soon to be a fifth, so the people are already there. (The two Richmond towers which are right at the train crossing, the one on Pall Mall at the end of Wellington, and the one on Oxford, just west of Richmond. The soon to be constructed highrise will be located at St. George and Mill St.)

I think I will try to think this through more clearly, but upon reading your post, Molson, it really triggered something in the my brain.

Does anyone else have anything to add to expand on this idea? Do you follow what I am envisioning here?
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Perhaps the CP tracks could be rerouted out of the city core, or join up with CN tracks for transit through downtown? I have no idea what the cost would be.
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CN-CP line consolidation would be awesome, but it's all up to them really. I'm not sure about the time frame, but CP is supposed to be building another crossing at Windsor-Detroit and is expected to be greatly increasing the number of trains through London. And with industrial growth moving to the south end, seems like a good time to lay some new track and bypass DT London.


According to the transportation master plan (page 23-24), grade separation at CP/Richmond has been more or less ruled out, mainly due to concern for local businesses.
I'm not sure I quite follow what you're envisioning. If cars go under and ped's stay at level, the only at grade area would be the tracks themselves. Are you seeing an extended underpass for a plaza area over richmond, south of the tracks?
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I'm working on a fairly crude 3D model of the Underpass/Subway that I am envisioning in my head. I will post a PDF or JPG of the concept when I am finished.

Give me a few days...
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Old Posted Aug 26, 2008, 9:33 PM
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That would be cool!!!!
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Old Posted Aug 27, 2008, 12:26 AM
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Firm marketing research

Firm marketing research

Tue, August 26, 2008

London boasts a "research row" featuring $330 million in investment and 1,800 researchers that just might hold the key to growing technology businesses in London.

If one were to draw a two-kilometre-wide band from the University of Western Ontario research park to the London Health Sciences Centre, the swath of London is where a bulk of the technology, health care and life sciences research is being done in the city, said Paul Paolatto, acting director of WORLDiscoveries.

"It is home to Robarts, Lawson and Western, St. Joes, and South Street and the LHSC. It is a cluster and it gives us an identity and my job is to bring that to market," Paolatto said of that research.

"The work being done in London right now is very formidable, there is a lot of brain power in this city and if we can harness it, it can be good for the community."

WORLDiscoveries privatizes research done at the city's health care and technology research sites, Lawson, and Robarts, as well as UWO.




"We are the business development arm for the London research community," said Paolatto, former partner in the now defunct Keigan Systems. "We want to bring it to market in the most effective manner possible."

The city now has the London Economic Development Corp., which works to attract business and industry and grow existing ones including those in technology and life sciences; TechAlliance, which represents technology businesses and offers training and marketing; the Stiller Centre, a technology incubator for new business; and the Small Business Centre, which helps start up small business.

Peter White, chief executive of the London Economic Development Corp., dismissed suggestions there'll be overlap between the groups.

Instead, they will work together in a partnership to grow technology industry here, he said. "There has not been a focus on a central, co-ordinated group that looks at taking research to the marketplace."

White said the LEDC is looking to pitch WORLDiscoveries to regional economic development agencies in nearby communities, in case they have businesses they want to bring to market, said White.

Paolatto agreed there would be little duplication between agencies, saying they all have roles to play.

WORLDiscoveries is funded by Western, Lawson and Robarts as well as provincial and federal governments and will charge a fee to companies it works with.

Paolatto has been named director until May 2009.
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From what I have read in the Windsor Star, they are going to be consolidating the tracks in Windsor and reducing the amount of rail tracks by 2/3rds. It will cost over $300 million dollars. I am thinking if they can do that in Windsor, why can't we do the same here?
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1) Replace Sarnia Bridge
2) Grade Separation for Egerton tracks
3) Widen Western/Wharncliffe between Oxford and Platts

Widening Wonderland between Gainsborough and Fanshawe park is also an important goal, but if they don't do something in the east end i think it will seem unfair.

As much as I'd like to see the Veteran's Parkway improved with the extension to Clarke and the interchanges, I think the above issues are more important.

I'd also like to see Gainsborough/Winderemere/Killaly connected, but that could see opposition from some residents on Winderemere. That project alone would probably cost 30m anyway.
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I'm waiting for the story of a city dump trunk intentionally driving over the sarnia bridge to a state of disrepair...so they have to tear it down.

Honestly..drove over it..and it took them 4 months to put some wood bracing up?!

come on! :S
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New routes for London Transit

New routes for London Transit as more people ride the bus

London Transit is growing again and this time Hyde Park seems to be the new bus route lottery winner. New routes take effect this Tuesday, Sept. 2 and according to general manager Larry Ducharme the squeaky wheel won out this time – that squeaky wheel being The Londoner’s columnist, Clay Powell.

“We were getting inundated with requests from Hyde Park. Clay (Powell) now has a bus at Hyde Park. It may not be perfect but it’s better than what was there before,” says Mr. Ducharme.

Hyde Park isn’t alone in making requests for better service – the list grows by 20 per cent a year. And other neighbourhoods will see changes too come Tuesday.


Routine changes include routes 15/21 Huron Heights, 13 Wellington Rd., 36 Airport Industrial and 37 Sovereign Rd. The biggest changes come on route 20 Cherry Hill which will be extended into the West Beaverbrook area west of Wonderland. Routes 19 Oakridge and 31 Orchard Park will be mixed in with a downtown route to and from Hyde Park. Route 14 Highbury joins with the 10 Wonderland to maximize bus usage and creating a horseshoe around the southern tip of the city.


Larry Ducharme, general manager of the London Transit Commission, in front of a new bus storage facility. It’s a small part of the many changes underway due to significant growth over the past several years including new and expanded routes.


But not everyone has won.

“The two western areas (routes 20 and 19/31) of the city got all the services. We’re servicing two new areas from different access points. Summerside was again deferred to 2009. We just don’t have the resources at present,” Mr. Ducharme says.

“We had more to chose from this year and you have to look at capacity to do it. We had allocated buses in the new areas but with existing pressures we had to scale that back. Its $488,000 in increased bus cost or 6,800 hours of service with part of that going to existing service challenges.”

Those challenges come from increased ridership brought on by increased fuel prices.

“We put in on average 6,000 hours of new services per year,” Mr. Ducharme says. “This year we diverted a majority of those hours to upgrading existing service. In 2008 we had planned for a 1.5 per cent increase in ridership and we’ve had over three per cent growth and they all want to ride at peak times.

“We’re up over 21 million riders. The doubling of the growth rate has been influenced by high fuel prices and to maintain that and keep them we have to focus on services. The opposite of that is higher fuel cost for us. The growth will bring in about $600,000 in revenue but the higher fuel cost has put us over budget by $1.6 million so I’m short by $1 million.” Those 21 million riders will also notice some changes on the bus with final testing of London’s new smart bus technology currently under way.
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“Sept. 1 effectively kicks off our smart bus technology. All the on board equipment has been installed and we’re in the final weeks of testing the new system. All buses will now announce and display stops in real time. Everything is complete,” Mr. Ducharme says.

“The key feature customers will see is the visible and audible signals. In April 2009 the new wayside signage becomes operational at seven major locations within the city like downtown with real time information. We’re working on the design right now. By spring of 2009 with that real time info on the next bus, you’ll be able to go online and get real time info on the next scheduled bus for any particular stop.”

London Transit has also announced a new depot at Wharncliffe and Wonderland capable of accommodating 100 buses with construction scheduled to being in mid-2009 for occupancy of September 2010. In the interim they’ve made a few changes at the 450 Highbury Ave. N site.

“Right now we’re at capacity. This facility was never designed for transportation. It was redesigned for 185, 40-foot buses and we have 192 right now. As you expand you have to add new buses and maintenance facilities. We’ve had to add 12,000 sq. ft. of storage for 12 buses. The cost was $600,000 to house the 12 buses with site preparation a big expense because we had to move a lot of soil. Compared to a 12,000 sq. ft. building it would have been $2-$2.5 million rather than the $600,000,” Mr. Ducharme says.

He’s also quick to remind Londoners this is business as usual given funding and political conditions currently in London with city council just getting underway with the transportation master plan.

“We made 22 recommendations to the city’s official master plan’s transportation policy and they were all approved. They’ve linked the London Transit’s long-term growth to the city’s master transportation plan and eventually to the financial plan and along the way you build support. It’s slow but we’re getting there. It’s about what can I get and building it one block at a time. It’s sustainable building blocks; we’re building a system that will be here for a long time.”

With the recent interest in greener transportation and the memory of the hard times of the 1990s still fresh in administrators minds there on a slow but steady path with continuous improvement the end goal.

“Pragmatic is a good way to look at it, it’s sustainable and meets needs. We understand the fiscal realities and it won’t meet all clients’ needs but we’re working on it incrementally,” Mr. Ducharme says. “In London, 60 to 65 per cent of the cost is born by riders and 35 per cent by the city. In Grand River (Kitchener-Waterloo region) it’s 40 per cent riders and the municipality pays the 60 per cent. We’re like Winnipeg or Ottawa in regards to the types of services we offer.”

The largest unknown remains the downtown given recent successes with terminals at Masonville Place and Argyle Mall that have grown to 2,500 to 3,000 on/off rides per day.

“We have 30-40,000 people at Dundas and Richmond each day,” Mr. Ducharme says. “It’s an on-street terminal and we’re not opposed to having an off-street terminal but we need a city block. It’s dependant on the bus rapid transit system and with that you’ll determine where the terminal will go. We’ve submitted that to the downtown parking committee. There’s a pragmatic way of doing things.”
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More iron trees will soon sprout in London's core

Thu, August 28, 2008

They're loved, they're hated, dismissed as a waste of money or praised as art.

Either way, the Forest City's inventory of those colourful wrought-iron trees dotting the core area will get a boost when 15 new ones are installed this fall.

And despite initial public criticism when the first 30 neon-coloured trees were installed last fall, it seems Londoners are warming to the project launched by the London Downtown Business Association more than a year ago.

"I don't think some people, initially, really understood what we were trying to do," says Janette MacDonald, manager of MainStreet London.

"This is public art, trees that represent our Carolinian forest heritage, for the public to enjoy. But we also know we need real trees in our core area for the environment and the beauty. I think more people are understanding them and enjoying them."




The project was launched just as public concern over the city's declining tree cover was growing.

Some people thought the trees were intended to replace the one planted in the core area which, for various reasons, haven't thrived. The art trees are installed at locations where real trees can't be planted.

Further, many people thought they were a waste of tax dollars when the cost of $7,500 per tree actually was being paid by local businesses.

Bob Usher, chairperson of the London Downtown Business Association, agrees the public has warmed to the trees, especially the bright colours during the long, dull, cold winter.

"A lot of people are coming downtown just to see them," says Usher. "They've got colour for a little bit of fun and they're a little kooky. I think in the dreary months of winter they look pretty good."

Meanwhile, the downtown's business community continues to support the city's tree-planting efforts, putting up another $10,000 this year for trees.

Usher says the trees came through their first winter relatively unscathed.

"We've had one tree broken and the boy who did it, his mother brought him and they paid to repair it," says Usher.

"The leaves get bent, occasionally, but that's been it."

The trees, all Carolinian, include 22 varieties such as oak, hickory, walnut, cottonwood, pine and others with large, easily identifiable leaves.

The project was the brainchild of architect/developer Andy Spriet and financed with $200,000, mostly from the downtown business association.

The concept is not unique.

In April 2000, Toronto put 326 life-sized moose on its streets as part of an outdoor art exhibition and fundraiser. Then Calgary put out dozens of colourful cows that were auctioned to businesses, with proceeds to charity.

Winnipeg then launched its Bears on Broadway project with 62 brightly coloured bears adorning area streets and businesses to brighten its downtown and raise money for cancer research.

Jonathan Bancroft-Snell, whose world-renown Dundas Street studio houses the largest collection of ceramic art works in the country, lobbied to have a tree installed in front of his store.

"Aren't they fabulous?" Bancroft-Snell says. "I had clients who came in from Montreal who had this impression of London being this WASP-ish, boring city. And when they got here, they were blown away by the restaurants. And they just loved the trees."

Bancroft-Snell says he's met people who initially criticized the trees but have since changed their minds.

"The trees have become a part of our urban landscape, like beacons," he says.
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