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Old Posted Aug 21, 2008, 9:02 PM
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^^ They completely streetscaped their downtown a cpl years ago (urban braile and all) and it looks great!

If I had to live in Haldimand, I would prolly choose either Tillsonburg or Simcoe. They're both great small towns. Tillsonburg's downtown mall is actually their City Hall as well... Hmmm, imagine.
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both towns impress me.. Tillsonburg especially. beautiful small town Ontario that is self sustaining in alot of ways
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Now I would prefer Selkirk or Rainham areas. Those are only a few miles from Dunnville which has almost everything I would need. Plus this area doesn`t have as many services so the property taxes wouldn`t increase like other areas do and the taxes are still relatively low. Most places in this area are still under $1800 a year with huge lots. And they aren`t in the native dispute areas. Plus it isn`t being built up yet either like Port Dover is. But that`s my personal decision.

Here is a map of the native dispute areas. It`s much larger then I thought it was.

http://www.sixnations.ca/LandsResources/LCMap.pdf

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both towns impress me.. Tillsonburg especially. beautiful small town Ontario that is self sustaining in alot of ways
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2008, 6:08 AM
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If I had to live in Haldimand, I would prolly choose either Tillsonburg or Simcoe.
Wait... aren't those in Norfolk?
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Old Posted Aug 22, 2008, 12:15 PM
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Haldimand and Norfolk were amalgamated into Haldimand-Norlfolk.
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...and then de-amalgamated back into Haldimand and Norfolk again.

The presence of Arby's may have been one of the reasons I decided to stay here instead of moving back or somewhere else. When I was a kid we used to go out to one way out in East Burlington - way the heck out Fairview, I guess almost to Appleby, still there? There was also one during my high school days in Waterdown--which closed and re-emerged as a Pizza Hut/Taco Bell.

Interesting that the Downtown Chatham Centre Sears is getting many of those fixtures. That store/mall are proof that downtown malls can work -- especially when there is no suburban mall to compete with.
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So deamalgamation is possible? Interesting.
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Yes Flar - for the ultimate example, witness Montreal.
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Centre Mall revamp: This neighbourhood surely deserves better

August 30, 2008
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"It's going to create a friendly, pedestrian-oriented design, rather than a commercial island in a sea of parking along Barton Street" -- City planner Ray Lee on the Centre Mall redevelopment, quoted in The Spectator Sept 26, 2007

Except that it's not going to be any of those things. The tragedy of the Centre Mall redevelopment is that it represents such a missed opportunity for a neighbourhood that deserves better.

Make no mistake about it, if this urban redevelopment was proposed today in the heart of Burlington or Oakville, as opposed to a blue-collar section of Hamilton, the planners would insist on a substantially different and better design and the developer would almost certainly oblige.

But east end Hamilton gets stuck with an archaic power centre that fails every reasonable test of sound planning and good taste. With no fewer than six drive-thru's and buildings that will back onto Barton Street, the "new and improved" Centre Mall will be neither pedestrian-friendly nor architecturally redeeming.

The developer, Redcliffe Realty, seems to have simply ignored the intent of the city's planning guidelines, which call for "buildings oriented to the street ... to create a sense of enclosure, a more human scale and reasons for people to be walking ..."

Instead of higher density mixed use structures along Barton Street that would have created a visually interesting streetscape, passersby will see the back end of single-storey retail stores separated by vast expanses of parking lots and drive-thru lanes.

Rather than design standards that enhance the neighbourhood, the city settled for what can best be described as disposable architecture, indistinguishable from other big box sites that litter the North American landscape.

The city could have seized the opportunity to create a new east end transit hub connecting the CN mainline and Hamilton's busiest bus route, rather than approve a site plan that compels customers to drive because it will be difficult to navigate on foot or by bus.

Reliable sources inside City Hall say there were serious staff reservations raised about the proposal early in the application process, but those concerns were effectively muzzled for fear the city would appear to be anti- development.

There was also a reluctance to push the developer too hard for improvements and provoke an Ontario Municipal Board appeal that the city didn't believe it could win.

Ward 4 Councillor Sam Merulla has been a champion of the project and is unapologetic to its critics. He points to skyrocketing property values in the area and the rejuvenation of Ottawa Street as direct byproducts of Redcliffe's commitment to invest $120 million in the area.

Merulla also cites the conversion of several depressed neighbouring apartment buildings into condos as evidence that redevelopment is fuelling a local economic renaissance, saying: "I was not prepared to jeopardize the largest urban redevelopment project in Canada over a few aesthetic concerns".

Mayor Fred Eisenberger is more measured in his support for the project: "I would have preferred a stronger streetscape on Barton Street, some public meeting space in the interior of the site and a less car-oriented development overall. Hopefully, working with the developer, we can still make some improvements to the plan."

Here's hoping the mayor succeeds. But it's hard not to conclude that the city sacrificed quality for expediency. Shoppers may come to love the new mall. But history is rarely kind to that type of bargain.
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Terry Cooke has been smoking lately!
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It's an ugly development for sure. Horrible for the Barton and Ottawa streetscape and with the amount of money being dumped into that area, a big missed opportunity indeed. At least this disposable architecture can be torn down in 10 years when big box power centres are no longer in vogue.
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At least this disposable architecture can be torn down in 10 years when big box power centres are no longer in vogue.
True, but what a sickening waste of energy, resources, and landfill space. Getting rid of our disposable mentality is one of the most crucial things we need to do to face climate change and fossil fuel depletion.
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wow...Cooke is stunning me lately.
Too bad he didn't have his brain turned on when he was in office.
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True, but what a sickening waste of energy, resources, and landfill space. Getting rid of our disposable mentality is one of the most crucial things we need to do to face climate change and fossil fuel depletion.
I fully agree.
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Unfortunately the big box store model still makes the developer the most money.. and is easiest to fill with business tenants. here's hoping Mayor Fred can get them to compromise and at least make a part of it pedestrian friendly.

Totally different area, but related to the car culture.. I was cycling down James North yesterday and reached a red light with a guy in an SUV. I pulled up a couple feet ahead of him to his right side so I was visible (for safety reasons). So he decided to cut me off .. I looked over and there was a can of Heineken in his drink holder. I am sure this is not an isolated situation. Talk about making a cyclist feel unsafe on the streets.

I could have called the cops on him, but he would have been halfway up the mountain (this was the direction he was heading) by the time they arrived.

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I don't think anyone is a fan of the Centre Mall re-development. I would rather that the beaten-down old mall had just stayed.
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Unfortunately the big box store model still makes the developer the most money.. and is easiest to fill with business tenants. here's hoping Mayor Fred can get them to compromise and at least make a part of it pedestrian friendly.

Totally different area, but related to the car culture.. I was cycling down James North yesterday and reached a red light with a guy in an SUV. I pulled up a couple feet ahead of him to his right side so I was visible (for safety reasons). So he decided to cut me off .. I looked over and there was a can of Heineken in his drink holder. I am sure this is not an isolated situation. Talk about making a cyclist feel unsafe on the streets.

I could have called the cops on him, but he would have been halfway up the mountain (this was the direction he was heading) by the time they arrived.
You must have eagle eyes. Are you sure it wasn't a can of San Pellegrino?
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I would have felt a lot safer if it was San Pellegrino, but SP doesn't come in tall boys..
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I don't think anyone is a fan of the Centre Mall re-development. I would rather that the beaten-down old mall had just stayed.
me too.
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