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Maybe it's another power centre! We need more of those!
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Maybe it's another power centre! We need more of those!

I don't think you are familiar with the area P-Unit, the location in question is not nearly large enough.

I claim no inside knowledge; but if I were a betting man, I would suggest that the site would be a good location for a Shoppers Drug Mart. The status of the Shoppers at Highfield Square is pretty tenuous. Crombie Properties (which manages Highfield Square) is only offering mall tenants leases on a month by month basis. The mall is now about 75% vacant. The only major tenant left (aside from The Bay), is Shoppers.

There are strong rumours that a major (forklift) upgrade is coming for Highfield and that all existing tenants (except for The Bay) will have to get out. If Shoppers wants to keep a store in that section of downtown, the lot next to the VIA station would be a good location for them.

This is all educated speculation.
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I claim no inside knowledge; but if I were a betting man, I would suggest that the site would be a good location for a Shoppers Drug Mart.
Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was Shoppers. They've gone the big-box route lately and abandoning a lot of their older mall stores.
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was Shoppers. They've gone the big-box route lately and abandoning a lot of their older mall stores.
How about lawtons as it is run by Sobeys
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It's probably another Tim Horton's. They did shut down that one on Main...
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Wouldn't surprise me one bit if it was Shoppers. They've gone the big-box route lately and abandoning a lot of their older mall stores.
I have it on reasonably good authority that it is a Shoppers. They're one of the last stores left in Highfield Square and I think they're anxious to move on.
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Where will practice track be built?
Sackville won't pursue practice facility for 2010 World Junior Track and Field Championships


Now that the Town of Sackville has given up on the idea of building a practice track for the 2010 World Junior Track and Field Championships, the search is on for another location, but it is doubtful the location will be in Metro
Published Thursday August 14th, 2008


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Now that the Town of Sackville has given up on the idea of building a practice track for the 2010 World Junior Track and Field Championships, the search is on for another location, but it is doubtful the location will be in Metro

Both the English and French school districts have been hopeful they would have the practice track.

"We're still very interested in having it built next to l'Odyssée school," said Anne-Marie LeBlanc, superintendent of School District 1, which manages French-language schools southeastern New Brunswick. "l'Odyssée is near UdeM and the track facility would be a good addition for the new school."

Aubrey Kirkpatrick, director of finance, administration and communications for District 2, says the English-language district would also love to have the facility constructed on the current site of the Moncton High School football field and track. The field is just a short walk from the high school building on Church Street and not far from l'Université de Moncton. Kirkpatrick said the district would continue to lobby for the facility and offer the use of the Moncton High School building during the 2010 event.

Ian Fowler, the City of Moncton's manager of parks and recreation, said Sackville's decision is unfortunate but merely another problem to be resolved as organizers move toward the event. He said it would definitely be preferable to have the practice track in the Sackville area, within walking distance of the dorms at Mount Allison University where the majority of the athletes will be staying. He doubts it would be located in Metro Moncton.

"There are still lots of options."

Fowler said Sackville's decision to pull out of the practice track plan is unfortunate, but he believes another location can be found. He noted there is also a track at Mount Allison University and another in nearby Memramcook that could be upgraded to the standards required by the international athletic association that sanctions the event.

The track on the Mount Allison campus surrounds the football/soccer field. It is located directly behind the university's student centre, which was completely refurbished this year and will have its official opening next month. The student centre is home to offices, training facilities and the international student office. It has a media centre and broadcast booth which overlook the football field.

Officials at Mount Allison say the field does not currently meet the requirements of the athletic association but could be upgraded. The Memramcook facility is located behind the village's arena. It has a running track, soccer field and room to expand.

The 2010 World Junior Track and Field Championships will be hosted by Moncton and expected to draw more than 2,000 athletes, coaches, support staff and media from 180 countries, making it one of the biggest events ever hosted by the city.

The centre of the event will be a new stadium on the campus of l'Université de Moncton which is now under construction.

Sackville was expected to be a partner by constructing a practice track on town land near Tantramar Regional High School. But Sackville Town Council decided at Monday's meeting that it could not carry out the plan set in motion by the previous council. Sackville Mayor Pat Estabrooks told the Times & Transcript yesterday that the practice track would cost approximately $3.9 million. Council had asked the federal and provincial governments to share one-third of the cost, and was also looking for financial partnerships from Mount Allison and the City of Moncton.

Estabrooks, who was elected mayor in May of this year, said the deal was set in motion by the previous council, which had promised to invest about $600,000 of town money. Estabrooks said she tried in vain to follow-up with both the federal and provincial governments to find out what was happening with the funding application. Unable to get an answer, she said council had no choice but to back out of the deal.

"It's very unfortunate and I hope the athletes will still be coming here," Estabrooks said yesterday. She said the town has more pressing capital projects -- including a water tower, new RCMP building and new fire station -- that will take priority over a running track and also require funding assistance in the coming years.

Bruce MacFarlane, corporate secretary for the New Brunswick Regional Development Corporation, said Sackville's application for funding is still under review. He said if the town withdraws the application, the organizing committee for the 2010 games could try to secure funding for another location. But they would have to start with a fresh application.

Dominic LeBlanc, the MP for Beauséjour and Sackville's representative in Ottawa, could not be reached for comment yesterday.

Sackville's decision comes just as planners for the games are getting organized. Fowler said a news conference will likely be held next week to introduce the organizing committee and explain how the city will prepare for the big event. With over 2,000 people coming from around the world, he said it will be a major cultural event.

Construction of the new stadium on the campus of l'Université de Moncton is already under way. The project received $7.5 million from the federal government, $5 million from the province and another $5 million from the city. Fowler said phase one includes groundwork, site preparation and construction of the track and bleachers. Tenders for phase two, the main building, will be issued soon.

Meanwhile, Mount Allison University stands ready to roll out the red carpet for more than 1,000 athletes from around the world.

"It is our hope and intention that the university will continue to be a big partner with the games," Gloria Jollymore, vice-president of external relations at Mount Allison said yesterday.

Jollymore said Mount Allison has accommodations available for up to 1,200 athletes, coaches, chaperones and others coming to Metro Moncton in two years for the world track and field championships. It also has a large cafeteria, fitness centres, weight rooms and therapeutic facilities normally used by university athletes. She said Mount Allison is also proud of its international student centre and displays the flags of students from other countries attending the university.
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Moncton retail growth just 'tip of the icebegr'
Retail developer says many more retail projects 'in the hopper'

Published Thursday August 14th, 2008
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The retail world in Metro Moncton continues to grow and is showing no signs of slowing down, says the chairman of the 2008 Atlantic Provinces Idea Exchange, a retail sector event taking place today in Charlottetown, put on by the International Council of Shopping Centres.

Peter Mackenzie, spokesman for ICSC who by day works for CB Richard Ellis, a worldwide commercial real estate company that does regular business in Moncton, says the city has two things going for it -- new development and reinvestment.

The new development, of course, comes in the way of the coming Mapleton power centre and other sites like Dieppe's uptown development which currently features a new Co-op grocery store and a gym. Sobeys' new Vaughan Harvey Boulevard location is another example, he says.

And on the reinvestment side, Mackenzie points to the longtime cornerstone of Moncton's retail world, Champlain Place shopping centre. For years, the mall has brought in traffic from other cities for shopping purposes and, in the last few months, the mall has seen major renovations.

"They're basically pulling apart the interior of that mall and putting it back together again," he says.

In addition to the major developments in the mall and at the new power centre site on Mapleton Road, Mackenzie says there are many other things coming down the pipe that haven't made it to the "public process" yet, he says.

"I think what people don't necessarily realize is, with something like the Mapleton power centre for example, that's a four to five year project, between the time that you acquire the land until you start to talk to retailers, you get all the construction costs done and then you actually start to build and open the thing.

"So, in terms of what's in the hopper for Moncton, there is quite a bit," he continues. "There are a lot of land sales in the works, there are a lot of people that have tied up some properties so they have the option of purchasing some land for retail."

Mackenzie wasn't divulging any secrets on what stores we might see come our way, but he's optimistic that Metro Moncton's growth isn't about to slow down.

However, he says the one thing that could affect the market here and across Canada is the economic downturn in the United States.

Mackenzie says many of the major retailers in Canada are U.S.-based, and they may slow growth in this country because it has slowed stateside.

On the other hand, he says it is possible that these companies could see Canadians' continued willingness to spend as a reason to spur further growth in the country.

"I think the message is, the stuff that you're seeing now is just the tip of the iceberg," he says of Moncton's growth.

"Moncton has the reputation of being a good, solid retail destination. So it is attracting people almost from the Quebec border, and in some cases, people will come from the Quebec border to get to Champlain Place, for example."

He says people across New Brunswick and from Prince Edward Island regularly travel to the Hub City to shop.

"What you have to appreciate is that a shopping centre in Montreal, for example, or Toronto, would draw from four or five kilometres around it. And there's such a population density within that four or five kilometres that those shopping centres tend to do well.

"In Moncton, that circle can be much, much bigger than that, and it's not necessarily a circle. You can talk about the population radius 100 km away or 200 km away because that's where you're drawing from."

He says Moncton remains the dominate retail centre in New Brunswick and one of three key destinations in Atlantic Canada, including Halifax and St. John's.

The Mapleton Road development is arguably the biggest development on the go now, with stores such as The Brick and Best Buy reported to be moving in. The development will have 350,000 square feet of fashion and home decor stores in addition to a few restaurants.
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Japanese restaurant opens in Moncton
Pink Sushi features large menu including various kinds of sushi, meat and veggies

Published Thursday August 14th, 2008
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When Peter Roh began travelling to New Brunswick several years ago, he says he sought out "high quality" Asian food.

Master Youn Ho Kim shows of a tasty plate of sushi now available at the Pink Sushi and Terayaki restaurant on Main Street in Moncton.

Roh, a Korean immigrant who now lives in Toronto, then came back and opened his own Japanese restaurant.

A tax accountant by trade, Roh has partnered with a Saint John woman, Lauren Kim, on Pink Sushi, a restaurant that serves Japanese and Korean food in downtown Moncton.

The restaurant opened this week on Main Street next to Subway, where Quizno's sub shop used to be located.

On its first day, the restaurant was fairly busy during its lunch hour. On the menu is everything from sushi to grilled salmon or chicken teriyaki, wahame salad (seaweed with dressing), lobster salad, wonton soup, shrimp tempura (large pieces of shrimp battered and served with sauce), salmon sashimi (raw salmon), jabokai (stir-fried noodles and veggies) and much more.

For those who assume Japanese food begins and ends with sushi and other raw fish dishes, you'll find you're sorely mistaken.

Most of the restaurant's meals run in the $8-15 range, though there are several larger take-out orders available for groups that run anywhere from $40-90.

For Roh, Pink Sushi is a business, but it's also something he loves. "When I was a business student, they taught us that the best entrepreneurs enjoy their work," he says.

Japanese food is his personal favourite, and he says it is Moncton's turn to try high quality Japanese and Korean foods.

Pink Sushi features an open concept kitchen, so you can see master chef Youn Ho Kim and his staff at work.

Kim trained in Korea and Japan and has worked for years in the Toronto market, where Japanese restaurants are common.

Roh says much of Pink Sushi's menu and concept comes from Kim.

The restaurant is medium-sized with Asian decorations and it features a private room for meetings or a more private eating experience.

Roh hopes to eventually open Pink Sushi restaurants in other New Brunswick cities such as Fredericton. He says perhaps one day he will take the brand across the Maritimes.

Currently, in addition to the Moncton restaurant, a Pink Sushi kiosk is located in the Brunswick Square Mall in Saint John.

Pink Sushi is located at 720 Main St. in Moncton. It is open 11 a.m.-10 p.m. daily. Roh says he may extend the hours on Fridays and Saturdays and perhaps shorten them on Sunday, depending on demand.
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I don't think you are familiar with the area P-Unit, the location in question is not nearly large enough.

I'm quite familiar with the area, actually. While not a large enough site to build something to the scale of the monstrosity off Wheeler Blvd., there is the room (and, from several quotes in the TT a few months ago, the political will) to build suburban style low density retail in the area. A stand-alone Shoppers Drug Mart would fit into this category. I think development like this is a travesty. Moncton has been presented with an opportunity that many other cities would envy. There is a huge swath of land directly bordering downtown available for development. It is essentially a clean slate that could accommodate any number of uses. Why is there always an insistence in this town to throw up the first thing that some two-bit developer offers to build? Why is there no overall plan for the area? (If there is one, please point me to it. I don't live in the city any more and, try as I may, I don't always catch all the news). This site has the potential to eventually become a crown jewel to downtown and provide a western anchor to the entire core, and it seems as if it's willingly being thrown to the first businessman willing to put up another homely, low grade retail project.
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Published Friday August 15th, 2008

Final decisions due in fall for 2010 track & field locations
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Final decisions on the locations and funding for training and warmup facilities for the 2010 World Junior Track and Field Championships likely won't be made until this fall when a delegation from the sanctioning body makes an inspection trip to Moncton, but that shouldn't pose any problems in staging the event, city spokesman Ian Fowler said yesterday.

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"This issue is not throwing the event off track," Fowler said. He said final decisions won't be made until officials from the International Association of Athletics Federation make an inspection visit to Moncton in October and officially approve Moncton's plans for facilities.

More than 2,000 athletes from more than 100 countries are expected to be in Moncton for the international competition in 2010, which will make it one of the biggest events the city has ever hosted.

Construction has already begun on the new stadium where competitions will be held, but there is still a question of where the practice, training and warmup facilities will be. Fowler said yesterday that two practice facilities will likely be required, at a combined cost of about $6 million depending on how and where they are constructed. The source of funding for the facilities is still in question but Fowler said he is confident it will be forthcoming as soon as plans are finalized.

Speaking following a meeting of the Conservative Party of Canada's Atlantic caucus in Fredericton yesterday, the minister responsible for ACOA, Peter MacKay, said funding for the practice facilities has not been ruled out.

"I am not in a position to say what that amount will be, and what the final negotiations will result in," said McKay.

"I understand that there is still a lot of discussions about the other facilities. As you know we have put money into the main stadium, and I know there have been applications put forward."

Choosing a location and securing the funding will be among the many jobs of the event's organizing committee. A news conference is expected next week to introduce members of the executive committee and their plan to bring the event to fruition.

Fowler explained that under the terms of its agreement with the IAAF, the host city needs to provide the main stadium, a practice track and a warmup facility. The IAAF is also the sanctioning body for the Olympics. It is represented in Canada by Athletics Canada. The Ottawa office said senior officials with Athletics Canada are in Beijing for the Olympics. Attempts to reach them for comment on the Moncton situation have so far been unsuccessful.

Construction of the new 20,000-seat, $20-million stadium began in April on the campus of l'Université de Moncton. It is being funded through contributions by all three levels of government, including $7.5 million from Ottawa and $6.5 million from Fredericton.

Fowler said pouring of the surface at the main stadium will be done this fall, and it is hoped the surface for other facilities will be done at the same time. Moncton will also be the host of the 2009 and 2010 editions of the Canadian national junior track and field championships. The 2009 event is now less than a year away since it is scheduled for Aug. 6-9.

But plans for the practice and training facilities are still up in the air. Fowler said the host needs to provide a practice track and a warmup facility. The training or practice facility would include a six-lane running track and amenities for athletes to work on their high jump, pole vault and other skills prior to their competitions. It would basically be a full-scale replica of the stadium where competitions are held. The warmup facility would be smaller and give athletes a place to warmup just prior to their events.

Fowler said he had a first-hand look at the facilities in Beijing two years ago.

"The warmup facility and the training facility were in the same place, which was not ideal."

Under an agreement with Moncton, the Town of Sackville wanted to set up a practice facility in the town. This made sense because many of the athletes would be staying at dorms on the campus of Mount Allison University, a 45-minute drive away from the main competition stadium in Moncton. The town had applied for funding from the federal and provincial governments to help build the facility. But this week, with no sign of the money, Sackville's town council decided to give up on the idea. The Regional Development Corporation, a branch of the provincial government, said this week that Sackville's application is still under review. Patricia Field, a spokeswoman for the The Atlantic Canada Opportunities Agency said yesterday ACOA would not comment on the status of an application that has not been finalized.

With Sackville apparently out of the game, Fowler said the city still has options for the training facility. Five potential locations are Mount Allison University, behind the Memramcook arena, at the Anna Malenfant School in Dieppe, l'Odysée School in Moncton and the Moncton High School track on Church Street.

Both school districts in Metro Moncton have held out hope that the Moncton schools would be chosen because a track facility would be a valuable asset for future athletes.

Moncton MP Brian Murphy agrees.

"The practice track should be in Moncton," Murphy said yesterday.

"Moncton High, my alumnus, would be a great choice, but so would be a track near the new middle school (l'Odyssée). Unfortunately that school was built without athletic facilities because of a short-change operation from the last provincial government."

If it comes to push and shove, Murphy said he would lobby for a Moncton location.

"The people paying for this are the people of Greater Moncton and that track should be in the Greater Moncton area. It would be an affront if the practice track, which would be used by day-to-day competitors from the local area for a long time, was not put in Moncton."

Fowler said the organizing committee will look at all the sites to decide which would be the best one, and provide options for the IAAF representatives when they visit Moncton in October.

The idea is to have practice and warmup facilities that are convenient for the athletes and minimize the need for bus transportation between them and the main competition stadium. But it made sense to have the training facility as close as possible to the dorms at Mount Allison, where many of them will be staying.

Once the location and other details have been worked out, Fowler expects funding will come quickly. He said city officials have already been in talks with the provincial government and explained what will be needed, including cost estimates.

"The files are still active and waiting for additional information and input."

He said the facilities, if built separately, would cost about $3 million each. But that cost could vary depending on the location and many other factors. In the case of Moncton High, Mount Allison and Memramcook, they are all aging facilities that would need a lot of work to bring up to standards. But once they were complete, they would be valuable assets for their communities and the nearby schools.

Moncton was given the nod by the IAAF to host the 2010 World Junior Track & Field Championships in March of 2006. The city was competing with Bydgoszcz (pronounced Bid-gosh), Poland, which hosted the 2008 event last month. That event attracted 1,520 athletes from 166 countries and had an average attendance of 9,000 people per day. From 1986 to 2006, the event has been held in Greece, Canada (Sudbury), Bulgaria, South Korea, Portugal, Australia, France, Chile, Jamaica, Italy and China.

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I was going to say P-Unit used to live in Moncton (was one of the first Monctonians on the message board), but he beat me to it.

I wouldn't be surprised if Highfield went the way of Fredericton Mall, ie- box stores and strip mall. It's sad that Highfield Square and the area around it could have been so much more, even with keeping the mall there.
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It's unfortunate for Sackville that council doesn't want to build that practice track. However, it'd be great to get an extra one in Moncton.

I wonder why they aren't considering upgrading the running track at Atlantic Baptist University? Back in elementary school, all our track and field meets used to be there. There's certainly plenty of room for expansion and the addition of proper facilities/stands.
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I wonder why they aren't considering upgrading the running track at Atlantic Baptist University? Back in elementary school, all our track and field meets used to be there. There's certainly plenty of room for expansion and the addition of proper facilities/stands.

Might be because ABU is a private institution. All the other potential sites mentioned are all public facilities. ABU is pretty much ignored by the city administration.
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I'm quite familiar with the area, actually. While not a large enough site to build something to the scale of the monstrosity off Wheeler Blvd., there is the room (and, from several quotes in the TT a few months ago, the political will) to build suburban style low density retail in the area. A stand-alone Shoppers Drug Mart would fit into this category. I think development like this is a travesty. Moncton has been presented with an opportunity that many other cities would envy. There is a huge swath of land directly bordering downtown available for development. It is essentially a clean slate that could accommodate any number of uses. Why is there always an insistence in this town to throw up the first thing that some two-bit developer offers to build? Why is there no overall plan for the area? (If there is one, please point me to it. I don't live in the city any more and, try as I may, I don't always catch all the news). This site has the potential to eventually become a crown jewel to downtown and provide a western anchor to the entire core, and it seems as if it's willingly being thrown to the first businessman willing to put up another homely, low grade retail project.
You summed up the problem in regards to development perfectly.

Nothing more to add.
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I'm quite familiar with the area, actually. While not a large enough site to build something to the scale of the monstrosity off Wheeler Blvd., there is the room (and, from several quotes in the TT a few months ago, the political will) to build suburban style low density retail in the area. A stand-alone Shoppers Drug Mart would fit into this category. I think development like this is a travesty. Moncton has been presented with an opportunity that many other cities would envy. There is a huge swath of land directly bordering downtown available for development. It is essentially a clean slate that could accommodate any number of uses. Why is there always an insistence in this town to throw up the first thing that some two-bit developer offers to build? Why is there no overall plan for the area? (If there is one, please point me to it. I don't live in the city any more and, try as I may, I don't always catch all the news). This site has the potential to eventually become a crown jewel to downtown and provide a western anchor to the entire core, and it seems as if it's willingly being thrown to the first businessman willing to put up another homely, low grade retail project.
To a certain extent, the city is still working off it's 1968 municipal plan. And quite frankly, the only time you'll ever hear the word 'vision' tossed around is when people are talking about how council needs mroe of it.
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To a certain extent, the city is still working off it's 1968 municipal plan. And quite frankly, the only time you'll ever hear the word 'vision' tossed around is when people are talking about how council needs mroe of it.
Well said.

They could have link the "Via Rail building" along with the "Shoppers Drugs Mart building" in order to create a sort of market square which could have include a food-court as well as others stores. A medical clinic could have been take place in the upper floors.
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I'm quite familiar with the area, actually. While not a large enough site to build something to the scale of the monstrosity off Wheeler Blvd., there is the room (and, from several quotes in the TT a few months ago, the political will) to build suburban style low density retail in the area. A stand-alone Shoppers Drug Mart would fit into this category. I think development like this is a travesty. Moncton has been presented with an opportunity that many other cities would envy. There is a huge swath of land directly bordering downtown available for development. It is essentially a clean slate that could accommodate any number of uses. Why is there always an insistence in this town to throw up the first thing that some two-bit developer offers to build? Why is there no overall plan for the area? (If there is one, please point me to it. I don't live in the city any more and, try as I may, I don't always catch all the news). This site has the potential to eventually become a crown jewel to downtown and provide a western anchor to the entire core, and it seems as if it's willingly being thrown to the first businessman willing to put up another homely, low grade retail project.

Sorry P Unit, I didn't mean to offend. I'm relatively new to the forum and had not come across your name before. It does indeed sound like you are familiar with the area.

I understand your frustration with city administration. That being said, some retail development around Vaughn Harvey and Main is necessary, and most of what is happening is simply existing retailers vacating Highfield Square and relocating in the immediate neighbourhood.

I think a more germaine question is: What do the Sobey's have in mind for the redevelopment of Highfield Square itself? If it is to just turn the area into a downtown big box development, I'm sure that everyone that contributes to this forum would be disappointed.

I would like to see a mixed use development of some form, including ground floor retail, condo towers and perhaps an office building built on the site. This could link up quite nicely with the existing Bay department store and with the pedway across to the federal building. With the Crowne Plaza Hotel kitty corner to area, this would truly make a "western gateway" to downtown.

It will be interesting to see what type of vision the Sobeys have for the area but I must admit, I'm not very hopeful
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On a positive note, the material used by Heritage holding for the 2-story building under renovation along Main is kind of neat.
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I visited your fair city today; I took my son to crystal palace. I wish northrup would build one of those in Saint John at Eastpoint.
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I visited your fair city today; I took my son to crystal palace. I wish northrup would build one of those in Saint John at Eastpoint.
Crystal Palace, I'm told, was built in anticipation of it becoming a casino when 🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵🞵 was legalized, but when it never happened, I guess they figured the money they made from the amusement park made it worth while to keep it open. On it's own, I'm not sure it'd be all that successful, but with Champlain place as big a draw as it is, it makes for a pretty good combination.
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I visited your fair city today; I took my son to crystal palace. I wish northrup would build one of those in Saint John at Eastpoint.
Bah...East Point is tacky enough as it is.

I walked around Crystal Palace for the first time in about 15 years a few months ago....it didn't look like that place had changed a bit since then, and it's starting to look a little worn. It seemed to me that the owners (Cadillac-Fairview?) seemed indifferent to keeping it fresh. How often do they get new rides/attractions?
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