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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 2:51 AM
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Ashton and Austonian, taken from the Hilton pool level:






Bird's eye view:






A little drive-by shooting of the Ashton from today:




This appears to be the top floor of the building. All that remains is the curved roof on the west side:




They've taken down all the scaffolding from around the pedestal:



     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 4:11 AM
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^ Nice pictures. The Ashton is looking great now that more of the windows are going in.

About the Gingerman. During down times in the economy it would be beneficial to downtown to have places like the Gingerman there still doing well. Just think, if developers are having trouble filling their buildings or getting funding for them, wouldn't it be better to have a proven reason to at least keep people in downtown? Granted, the bar is moving, still the building itself is such a great attraction for not only businesses, but patrons too.
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 8:26 PM
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So my drive-ins from north to south on I-35 are boring, considering the traffic...but have yall seen the view of the city from the north!!!
the ashton next to the frost bank looks Good. anybody wanna get some pictures from I-35 and 290. my camera is broken. :[
     
     
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Old Posted Aug 14, 2008, 8:32 PM
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Yeah, it does look good from that vantage point. But taking shots at high speed from the upper deck is not too easy. I wish I could go up in one of the stadiums and get a shot.
     
     
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Yeah, it does look good from that vantage point. But taking shots at high speed from the upper deck is not too easy. I wish I could go up in one of the stadiums and get a shot.
I remember years ago the football stadium was open and easy to get anywhere. You weren't supposed to but there was barely any security and when I was about 14 my friends and I used to get away with it. That was 6 years ago and we'd even run on the field. I guess it's changed since all the construction but it would be interesting to find out if we still can. It would be some hefty guerrilla photography.
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I remember years ago the football stadium was open and easy to get anywhere. You weren't supposed to but there was barely any security and when I was about 14 my friends and I used to get away with it. That was 6 years ago and we'd even run on the field. I guess it's changed since all the construction but it would be interesting to find out if we still can. It would be some hefty guerrilla photography.
Yeah, I remember that... but that was when the only track was in there, so folks went in to run... so, by default, it was open to the public.
     
     
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Oh I forgot all about that track. That explains it.
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You could probably get into the stadium pretty easily today. I went around the stadium a few times back in July. You could easily get in through the west side. Nothing is blocking you from getting on to the ramps. In the southeast corner you could probably squeeze underneath the gate(at least a person of my size could).
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At least 700 condominiums -- almost a dozen buildings -- slated to be built in Central Austin are either on hold indefinitely or scrapped altogether, according to an analysis by the Austin Business Journal.

With the national economy in a slump, credit markets running dry and more than 3,000 new condos either online already or soon to hit the Central Austin market, many developers say they've had no choice but to alter their plans.

This month, for example, the developer of the Hotel Van Zandt, San Diego-based JMI Realty, said that the 55 condos planned to go on top of the boutique hotel would not be built, reducing the building's height by nearly half to 16 stories. The hotel, at Red River and Davis streets, is expected to finish by September 2010. The developer of Aquaterra, Crescent Resources LLC, confirmed it has put on hold indefinitely the 163-unit, 20-story project planned for Barton Springs Road between Congress Avenue and South First Street. And last month, developers of the Metropolitan, a luxury eight-story mixed-use project planned near the Capitol, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Some developers have found financing more difficult to come by, which means it's taking them longer to turn dirt.

The 7 Rio Grande, a planned 34-story condo tower, was supposed to break ground this fall and now is expected to do so in 2010. Anne Ickes, a development associate at CLB Partners, which is developing the project, says the tower will go up but not anytime soon. Ovation, the 37-story condo tower by Novare Group and Andrews Urban, the partners behind the recently finished 360 condo project, was expected to break ground this summer; it will now do so in the fall, says Andrews Urban President Taylor Andrews. The project has also been redesigned. The downtown post office that exists on the site was going to move into the ground floor of Ovation; it will now move to 9th and Red River streets. The number of units has shrunk from 433 to 400 units and office and retail space has increased from 35,000 to 40,000 square feet.

Simmons Vedder & Co. had plans to start construction this year on 230 condos at the Triangle mixed-use complex at the intersection of North Lamar and Guadalupe streets. The nine-story building is still in its design stage. "We're basically on hold at this point," says John Burnham, a development partner with Simmons Vedder, attributing market conditions and robust competition in the condo market sector. Burnham says the company is not looking at a groundbreaking until August 2009.

And at least a dozen more projects announced in the last few years have been indefinitely shelved as developers here weather the storm [see map, page 1].

Atlanta-based Gameday Centers, which had planned roughly 200 luxury condos and "tailgate suites" near the University of Texas, was expected to break ground in spring 2007 and be ready in fall 2008. Duane Doblar, a spokesman for Gameday, says the project never got past its preliminary site review and marketing stages and that no project is currently being pursued. "The real estate market is pretty soft right now and there's nothing we would consider in the next 12 months," says Dobler. "That's not Austin in particular, that's just nationally."

Others are sitting, waiting and mulling offers to sell their sites. Matt Mathias, co-founder of Austin-based Interurban Development, which planned an ultra-luxury condo project in East Austin featuring a 14,000-square-foot "skydeck," panoramic views of downtown, an open-air amphitheater, and a saltwater pool and spa, says that the company has its site development permit in hand but is waiting out the market, adding that he would consider offers on the site. "Everything is for sale at a price. We believe in the Austin market, [which is] clearly one of the strongest markets in the nation right now. But right now there's a tendency of residents to lease rather than buy."

Stephen Soward, principal at development firm StrateGEM, is marketing a 28,160-square-foot lot at 1705 Guadalupe, where it had planned a 173-unit mixed-use project. "If someone out there that is a little braver than we are wants the property, they are welcome to talk to us about it," says Soward.

Despite some sobering of its condo boom, downtown Austin--and Austin in general-- remains one of the country's top markets, far outpacing Houston and Dallas, says Mark Sprague, Austin partner of Residential Strategies Inc. Downtown sales -- new and resale -- averaged 850 units annually in the last two years, and prices have stabilized, not gone down, Sprague says. "No one is discounting the value of these parcels yet," he says. A local slowdown doesn't reflect Austin's viability as troubled markets like Miami and Atlanta precipitate investor pullout across the board, Sprague says.

Still, tightened credit markets mean there will be a slimmer margin of error for poorly conceived projects. And about 35 to 50 percent of local buyers will be lost due to credit issues, Sprague says.

"The bottom line is virtually no one wants to make any loans for real estate development right now," says Mark Dotzour, chief economist for the Real Estate Center at Texas A&M University.

National banks remain under distress and regional banks, historically the main source for development funds, are struggling as well, Dotzour says. And on the equity side, investment is dormant. Political uncertainty is also tapering any significant investment activity.

Despite widespread woes, attrition of projects is a sign of a healthy market, says Larry Warshaw, principal at Constructive Ventures, which is developing Spring, Barton Place and several other condo projects. The market is sifting through all the proposals to find the viable ones, he says.

"The right projects with the right location at the right price, [and those] demonstrating strong presales with experienced teams are moving forward and getting built," he says.

http://austin.bizjournals.com/austin/stories/2008/08/18/story1.html

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Old Posted Aug 15, 2008, 2:43 PM
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Interesting article. Frankly, I don't mind seeing a little slowdown. Don't want Austin to be another Miami and overbuild too quickly. Plus, a lot of the projects mentioned in this article were problematic to begin with -- too expensive, blah design, bad location, etc. The main one I would really like to see still happen is 7 Rio -- nice slender tower, decent location.

The article didn't mention anything about 21C. I assume that's still on?
     
     
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Stadium is super easy to get into. The gates for the ramps are usually open, if not, just got into Belmont and hop on the elevator.
     
     
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I heard an interesting thing about 21C. The Chain Drive (where 21C is supposed to be built) was to close Dec. 31 of this year. Now the bar is supposedly going to stay open into 2009.
     
     
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Thanks for the tips, guys. I just assumed the stadium was locked down. I'll check it out.
     
     
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Stadium is super easy to get into. The gates for the ramps are usually open, if not, just got into Belmont and hop on the elevator.
You are right about the gates to the ramps being open. However, each entrance/exit into the seating areas of the stadium have gates on them are they are usually closed and locked.
     
     
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I heard an interesting thing about 21C. The Chain Drive (where 21C is supposed to be built) was to close Dec. 31 of this year. Now the bar is supposedly going to stay open into 2009.
There's a trend of gay bars being clo-- oh, I said that a long time ago in this same thread, didn't I?
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Interesting article. Frankly, I don't mind seeing a little slowdown. Don't want Austin to be another Miami and overbuild too quickly. Plus, a lot of the projects mentioned in this article were problematic to begin with -- too expensive, blah design, bad location, etc. The main one I would really like to see still happen is 7 Rio -- nice slender tower, decent location.

The article didn't mention anything about 21C. I assume that's still on?
Priller I SOOOOOO Agree with you. Natural selection, I say. You are right that many of these felt "rush to build". San Diego is the worst I have seen. so many places that were thrown up. Bad design, like you said. I also like it when towns evolve more evenly over time. Austin had such a "Stuck in the 80's" vibe for so long because of a boom/bust. So the slow down, for me, is welcome.

And I will see what I can find out from 21C.
     
     
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Has anyone noticed how dark The Nokonah is? It seems that at least all or most of the units on the north side are vacant. Has anyone heard anything to support this? The south side and west seem to be more active.
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I've been saying for some time now that 21c either won't be built, will be built way down the road, or it won't look like what we see.

A place that is unusual, by a group without a significant track record, is going to have problems in this environment.
     
     
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I doubt 21c will get built until the City is done with work on the Waller Tunnel. Only then will this area start to take off. That's several years out.
     
     
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In regard to a "slow down" we will see:

1-2 residential high rises, 1-2 highrise hotels. and .25 - .5 highrise office buildings [1 every 2-4 years] per year.

next 3-5 years: we will fill out the central and west of congress area with CLB, sheraton, westin, Gables 1 and 2, 360 2.0 and 3.0, etc.

years 5-10: we should see green and seaholm fill out

years 10-20: we should see the waller creek/red river cooridor fill out.

Add this in with continuing infill as we see west of Lamar, south of the river, east of I35 and the campus area and we will have a very healthy and stunning city center.

all is well.
     
     
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