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Old Posted Aug 11, 2008, 3:03 AM
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I agree that what is depicted in the renderings is quite exciting. In my limited travel experience I have really enjoyed those airports that had a more airy and natural feel, with natural ambient light enhanced milieus rather than the closterphobic, electric light filled tunnels there seems to be an overwhelming abundance. While SLCIA has improved in this area a bit, it still feels small and unnatural. Wish what we see here would get built.

I was wondering what it would look like to incorporate some of the different environmental diversity that is Utah in the design. When I look at those buttresses, high ceilings and arches I could imagine taking some of the colors and cues from Southern Utah and adding them. The same thing could be done to represent the other differing geographic regions of the state. Is this too cliché and cheesy?
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Old Posted Aug 11, 2008, 11:16 AM
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Streetcars may someday return to Sugar House


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A Portland, Ore., city-owned streetcar is similar to cars that would be used on a proposed Sugar House streetcar line. ( Photo courtesy of UTA)

Paint in the kind of slow-moving streetcars that rumbled over urban Utah rails decades ago and you'd think it was the 1950s. It soon will be, in a sense, if a joint study by Salt Lake City, South Salt Lake and the Utah Transit Authority leads where planners hope - to Utah's first modern streetcar line.

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Old Posted Aug 12, 2008, 9:39 PM
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I am looking forward to a trolley to Sugar House. I think there are lot of locations for a transit line like this.

I wish they could find a way to build them cheaper. Looking at the numbers is astonishing. If we could get the cost down we could start building these lines all over the place. I was reading today that the Frontrunner South Line is going to cost 954 million dollars. that equates to nearly 22 million dollars a mile. I am a huge fan of transit but the cost is a bit hard to swallow.
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I am looking forward to a trolley to Sugar House. I think there are lot of locations for a transit line like this.

I wish they could find a way to build them cheaper. Looking at the numbers is astonishing. If we could get the cost down we could start building these lines all over the place. I was reading today that the Frontrunner South Line is going to cost 954 million dollars. that equates to nearly 22 million dollars a mile. I am a huge fan of transit but the cost is a bit hard to swallow.
I was pretty shocked when I saw the FrontRunner S. numbers as well. How can it possibly cost a billion dollars to build 44 miles of rail???
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I think that the majority of the costs are the number of bridges that will need to be built.

With the norther section, they did mostly grade crossings. With the southern extension, they will only have a couple of at grade crossings with the majority being elevated crossings.
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Old Posted Aug 13, 2008, 3:59 AM
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I like the Airport renderings.

But, I think it may have too few gates. I think SLCIA is approaching 90 gates or so, that includes the sky west E concourse. Also, the mingling of the heavies and the commuter jets on the outer concourse I do not favor. Most of the commuter jet gates are on ground level as the planes are lower to the ground themselves, how would that work in a regular concourse. Even the commuter jets on B Concourse are at the ground level. Also, how does it work to have the smaller vs bigger jets mingling there on the same concourse, from a safety perspective of course?

I do like the indoor train station, I assume that would be for TRAX, or is it for a terminal to concourse train system? I can't tell.
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Ground broken for Utah Co. FrontRunner

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700250384,00.html?linkTrack=rotator-cvr-7006


A FrontRunner train is displayed at the groundbreaking of the future Lehi station. (Ashley Lowery, Deseret News)

...James Simpson, administrator for the Federal Transit Administration exclaimed..."Most of you only know what goes on in the Salt Lake City region and you don't have a way to compare," Simpson said. "We go around the country and if we were going to grade this like in school, Salt Lake City gets an A+ and the norm is a C to a D. So you really have a tremendous team here."

Tuesday's groundbreaking marks the beginning of a two- to three-year process of bringing the commuter rail from Salt Lake City to Provo. The new 44-mile line will have eight stops, currently planned in Salt Lake City, Murray, Sandy/South Jordan, Draper/Bluffdale, Lehi, American Fork, Orem and Provo.

FrontRunner South is part of the Front Lines 2015 project, which also includes the Mid-Jordan and West Valley TRAX lines currently under construction, as well as the Draper and Airport TRAX lines, which will break ground within the next year.
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But, I think it may have too few gates. I think SLCIA is approaching 90 gates or so, that includes the sky west E concourse. Also, the mingling of the heavies and the commuter jets on the outer concourse I do not favor. Most of the commuter jet gates are on ground level as the planes are lower to the ground themselves, how would that work in a regular concourse. Even the commuter jets on B Concourse are at the ground level. Also, how does it work to have the smaller vs bigger jets mingling there on the same concourse, from a safety perspective of course?

I do like the indoor train station, I assume that would be for TRAX, or is it for a terminal to concourse train system? I can't tell.
You have brought up some key issues I too have wondered about which are not clearly answered in the latest update to the airport master plan.

I am not sure I understand you when you say: "how does it work to have the smaller vs bigger jets mingling there on the same concourse, from a safety perspective of course?", but I will try.

There should be no saftey issues at all to intermingle small planes and big planes at the same concourse. It is done at plenty of airports already. Again, not knowing what the airport is currently planning, I can't for sure say how they would arrange it. But you could look at a few other airports for ideas.

1. Detroit - Northwest's new terminal has a two parallel concourse design (same idea as what the renderings show) with the remote concourse containing gates for both mainline and commuter aircraft. All commuter aircraft (including props) are able to taxi up to a jetway and allow passengers to disembark rather than having passengers walk outside in the elements and on the tarmac (now that is a safety issue).

2. Denver - Recently added onto their Concourse B with new gates for commuter aircraft to use and allows small regional jets to park at gates with jetways.

How best to lay this out in a new SLC terminal is something that can be difficult. The renderings you see are from 1997. This was back when regional airlines were very small and not heavily used. Today that is much different. 7 or 8 years ago, flights on regional jet aircraft increased dramatically to a peak about 1-2 years ago. Right now, airlines are starting to put a halt on regional airline growth as it isn't as economical as it used to be. So the demand for regional airline flights is reducing, thus the need commuter gates is less. But as anyone in the airline industry will tell you, things change rapidly. In a few years, airlines might want to bring on more regional aircraft for one reason or another and you'll be stuck with too many mainline gates and not enough commuter gates.

With this problem in hand, I would say the airport should take a really good look at how they are going to plan this out.

In my opinion, the best thing they can do is build a concourse which is easily adaptable to changes in the industry. Perhaps create gates which are all capable of holding a larger Boeing 757 or similar aircraft but be capable of converting that gate into a regional aircraft gate by allowing two regional aircraft to park in the one spot the larger 757 was able to fit in. You would also want to make it possible to allow all commuter aircraft to use jetways as this eliminates countless problems, is more efficient, and is much safer for passengers.

In SLC's case, having Delta Air Lines and Delta Connection (regional/commuter flights) occupy one large concourse rather than four smaller concourses (like it is now) would make it much easier for passengers to connect flights and would eliminate a lot of walking and confusion.
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Sweet! Can't wait for Lehi station! Well, actually, AF will be closer.
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Wren, Did you notice the Olive Garden in AF lately? It's almost done! I know this isn't earth shattering, but for us north valley residents, it's a cool little marker. For me, it's nice to have another close restaurant, with a few items I enjoy as take-out.
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abc4.com

Interstate construction finishes ahead of schedule

OGDEN, Utah (AP) - An Interstate 15 construction project from Ogden to Farr West will be finished three months ahead of schedule.

The Utah Department of Transportation expected the project to be finished by November, but now says that the project is nearly finished.

UDOT spokesman Vic Saunders says the project should be finished by Friday, including the removal of all orange cones.

The project began about 2 1/2 years ago and includes expanded lanes from 31st Street in Ogden to 2700 North in Farr West, noise walls, longer off-ramps and redesigned bridges.
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I also noticed that Barbacoa opened up in Highland. They make a good burrito.
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Holy crap! I didn't even know that UTA broke ground for the Frontrunner south line.


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This is awesome news.
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It will take 5 years? Bummer. I was hoping for 3 years.
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It would be nice if they could just build the stations/platforms now and open up earlier, on at least a limited schedule, using the adjacent UP track. Then build all of the connecting track/bridges between stations and open with a full schedule when it was all finished. Even if they just had a few inbound trains in the morning and a few outbound in the evening sharing the freight tracks it would make a big difference and people wouldn't have to wait 5 years to use it.
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It will take 5 years? Bummer. I was hoping for 3 years.

I was surprise by that too. Wasn't the North line built in only 2 years?
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It will take 5 years? Bummer. I was hoping for 3 years.
According to the Trib: "FrontRunner South is expected to open in late 2011 or 2012." That's only 3–4 years.
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I was there. Basically it comes down to this:

* UTA tried to ink a deal to get Frontrunner up and running on Union Pacific's ROW in time for I-15 reconstruction in 2013.

* Union Pacific said, "once you're on, you'll want to stay on," so they've been pushing to get full-blown construction of the line going.

* Now the train is scheduled to be finished before 2013 to beat I-15.

* The state legislature upped funding for I-15 so it can start in 2010.

* Now county leaders are trying to figure out how to speed up Commuter Rail so it can be an alternate to I-15 by 2010.
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It would be nice if they could just build the stations/platforms now and open up earlier, on at least a limited schedule, using the adjacent UP track. Then build all of the connecting track/bridges between stations and open with a full schedule when it was all finished. Even if they just had a few inbound trains in the morning and a few outbound in the evening sharing the freight tracks it would make a big difference and people wouldn't have to wait 5 years to use it.
Can't UTA put more effort into building it from SLC Southward first? Then maybe open the line a little at a time as the construction progresses southward. That at least, would give some more options for the South Valley residents to get on FR in advance of 2012, or whenever they are calling for. I forget what the alignment, stations are, does anyone have a map of the South FR?
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