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Old Posted Aug 12, 2008, 12:48 AM
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SAINT JOHN - Ann-Marie Borden couldn't believe her ears when Wayne Smith called to inform her he had drawn her entry Saturday in a contest with a $10,000 ring as top prize.

"That's crazy talk," Borden said over the phone when she received the call from Smith, the owner of W. Smith & Co., a jewelry store in Brunswick Square.

Just as Smith would think he had her convinced, the 21-year-old UNBSJ student would again slip into disbelief and think someone was playing a prank on her.

Borden won the ring, but Smith also felt like a winner as he earned the backing of 97 per cent of the approximately 6,000 people who entered the contest. He'll carry that ammunition with him tonight when he makes a presentation to common council during public consultations on the proposed land swap deal between Irving Oil and the Saint John Port Authority.

"The response has been just incredible," said Smith. "As usual for the city of Saint John, the people, once they get behind something, they just want to carry it through."

Smith said the city needs the Irving Oil project to revitalize the uptown.

"I think it proves that everybody in the city of Saint John agrees with me and I'm looking forward to presenting my findings and everything to city council."

Across town, Borden still didn't believe she won - even when the media showed up where she was working Saturday.

"This didn't happen," she said, stepping back from the counter of Olympia Fitness. "'cause I never win anything.

"I still think it's a joke."

Borden admitted winning the diamond was the main reason she entered the contest, but said she favoured the transaction.

"I am for it," she said of the land deal. "I want to work there one day."

The deal would see the Irving Oil own an inland portion of Long Wharf and lease surrounding property. In exchange, the company would buy the former Lantic Sugar site from the city at fair market value and transfer ownership to the port authority. The land deal between the port authority and Irving Oil must be approved by Ottawa.

The most prevalent comment on the ballot, said Smith, was people questioning why there seemed to be opposition in the first place.

"The majority of people want this and the fact is we still live in a democratic society," he said.

The proposed $30-million project would allow the port to consolidate its operations on the eastern side of the harbour. On the ground floor of the Irving Oil building, a welcome centre for the secondary cruise ship berth at Long Wharf would also be built.

"We wanted the silent majority to speak up and they have," said Smith. "So I think we've made the councillors' jobs extremely easy on this."
Borden is in her final year of a business degree and selling the ring could help pay down her student loans.

"That's probably what my parents will tell me to do. Probably won't happen, though," she said with a sly grin.

According to city manager Terry Totten, the deal would result in a $2-million annual tax infusion to the city. As it stands now, the port authority pays an annual grant of $44,000 in lieu of taxes.

Just 56 ships have docked at Long Wharf in 10 years, according to port officials. The majority of those ships were loaded with limestone, and port officials contend that such an operation could be provided at the Lower Cove Terminal.

The revitalization of the aging Fort La Tour historic site would also be undertaken by Irving Oil as part of the deal.

Smith said the deal is a no-brainer.

"This isn't against the Irvings or for the Irvings, this is for uptown Saint John," said Smith.
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I took a drive to see what kwajo was talking about and before I got to the site, I could see the tower crane from the Superstore. Seeing as how the last building over five stories was the Mercantile Centre, this is nice too see. I had my phone and got some shots...




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Maybe I should start a construction photo thread for the present and upcoming developments...
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Maybe I should start a construction photo thread for the present and upcoming developments...
I actually like how everything Saint John development-related is all on this one thread. This thread is sort of like my 2nd morning newspaper (after canadaeast.com), so it's nice to have new stuff posted every time i log in.
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The possibility for the new year is for 1-2 mid/hi-rise buildings at the Coast Guard Site which may up kwajo's estimate of 3.
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I actually like how everything Saint John development-related is all on this one thread. This thread is sort of like my 2nd morning newspaper (after canadaeast.com), so it's nice to have new stuff posted every time i log in.
Point well taken, and I know exactly how you feel. The only problem is the posts get buried so fast, it's almost impossible for a newcomer to know what's going on. A pic or piece of news posted one day gets lost pretty quick.

Maybe a thread to hilight and update current developments as they occur on the first post, but not a new SJ project thread.
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2008, 5:34 AM
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I took a drive to see what kwajo was talking about and before I got to the site, I could see the tower crane from the Superstore. Seeing as how the last building over five stories was the Mercantile Centre, this is nice too see. I had my phone and got some shots...




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Thanks for the shots - I could see this crane as well today for the first time while driving. If I heard correctly, it's going to be 9 floors? Has there been any confirmation on that?
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SAINT JOHN - The 'No Vacancy' sign on office space in uptown Saint John is burning bright.

However, the uptown's economic development agency hopes the almost completed CenterBeam Place renovations will help turn off the 'No' portion of the sign.

Peter Asimakos, the general manger of Uptown Saint John Inc., said CenterBeam Place has set the standard for heritage renovation projects in the uptown and set it high.

"It's an excellent project and an excellent example of what can be done with our heritage assets," Asimakos said. "I hope it would have a positive influence on others that have heritage properties, in terms of opening their eyes on what can be done."

A recent report by Halifax-based real estate counsellors Turner Drake and Partners Ltd. found Saint John to have the lowest vacancy rates in New Brunswick for both office and industrial rental space.

It was the third straight year the vacancy rate in office rental spaces went down. The vacancy rate is 5.7 per cent.

With demand on the rise and the incoming energy boom on the horizon, Asimakos hopes CenterBeam's example, along with demand, spurs renovation projects throughout the uptown.

"Many people think some of the heritage assets are deteriorated or beyond their useful economic life and they're not," he said. "You can re-invest money in these assets and make them profitable."

CenterBeam has 13 clients renting space in the approximate 110,000 square foot building. Two clients, CenterBeam Inc. and Texas-based Fluor Corp., occupy approximately 63,000 square feet.

As for whether the remaining space will be easy to fill, property manager Jeff Yerxa said the question has already been answered.

"Interest in the property is high, but we don't have enough space to accommodate it," Yerxa said. "We're at 100 per cent occupancy right now."

Having CenterBeam Place garnering a lot of interest and being full is a good indicator for business in the uptown.

"It's an indication that you don't have to be on the pedway to be successful in uptown Saint John," Asimakos said.

He expects to see other renovation projects come online in the near future to help fill the need for office space. City council may also help spur the process along through a program referred to as upper floors. The idea is for the city to encourage property owners to renovate vacant upper floors in their buildings to office space and other needs through incentives and possibly grants.

City staff are in the process of preparing a report on upper floors to present to council.
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I'd love to know what happened to the projects on the west side...

The Fort Duff development???
The new mall/movie theatre/Sobeys Canadian Tire???
That housing development fell apart quickly...
Wasn't there a Motel6 that was supposed to be built near Burger King???

What the hell
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I took a drive to see what kwajo was talking about and before I got to the site, I could see the tower crane from the Superstore. Seeing as how the last building over five stories was the Mercantile Centre, this is nice too see. I had my phone and got some shots...




Maybe I should start a construction photo thread for the present and upcoming developments...
Magnificent! I love the smell of construction cranes in the morning

The strangest thing is that we have yet to see any renderings or drawings of this building at all, yet it is already under construction. After years of seeing renderings of failed projects, it's quite an odd turnaround.
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Consultation

We were trying to keep this to the neighbourhood, but the media has announced our public meeting for tonight.

94.1 FM news reported it as follows:

Meeting Set On Housing Proposal
10:10:04

A public information session goes this evening to outline plans for a housing complex at Charlotte and Duke. The Church of St Andrew and St David wants to build a 91-unit apartment complex featuring subsidized and market value rental units.
The complex would be built on land the church owns currently being used for a parking lot. Tonight's info session begins at seven at the church on Germain Street.
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Cool Saint John Compilation of Proposed Developments (2008)



This is a work in progress, but I thought I'd show you a rough idea of what I'm very slowly putting together.
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This is a work in progress, but I thought I'd show you a rough idea of what I'm very slowly putting together.
WOW, I think I just wet myself! This is awesome work sir - I can't wait to see how this progresses!
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Old Posted Aug 12, 2008, 5:23 PM
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SAINT JOHN - Common council has plenty of information to digest before it decides whether to sell the former Lantic Sugar refinery property to Irving Oil.

Council heard from voices on both sides of the argument Monday night as it hosted a public consultation session that attracted an overflow crowd to hear 27 presentations in council chambers.

The presenters were asked to weigh in on the question, "Should the municipality agree to sell the former Lantic Sugar site at fair market value in order to facilitate a possible transaction between the Saint John Port Authority and Irving Oil Ltd.?"

Monday's session was structured in the same way as public hearings - those opposed to the question were asked to speak first, followed by those who support the proposal.

There were six presentations opposing the possible sale of the land and 21 presentations in favour.

Those opposing the deal were the International Longshoremen's Association; the Saint John and District Labour Council; Saint John Lancaster MLA Abel LeBlanc; John McDade, a spokesman for commercial fishermen using Long Wharf Slip, and two private citizens.

Those in favour included the Saint John Port Authority, the Saint John Board of Trade, Enterprise Saint John and a number of local business owners, developers and private citizens.

Prominent city developer John Rocca, president of Ellerdale Investments which is currently building a condominium project on Prince William Street, said he hopes both sides of the debate can find the common ground that will be necessary for the city to move forward regardless of the outcome of the proposed development, one that would result in Irving Oil building a $30-million global headquarters at the Long Wharf site.

Rocca said his experience tells him the land where the sugar refinery once stood isn't worth the $1-million price tag that the company is reported to have discussed as a possible purchase price.

"If it is true that Irving Oil is willing to pay you between $750,000 and $1 million to purchase the property on an as-is basis ... count your blessings, take the money and run," Rocca said.

He noted investors and developers are standing back and watching the debate with great interest - looking for a sign from city leaders that Saint John is open for business and ready to embrace development.

"This debate has shaken the confidence of potential investors in the city," said Rocca. He said investors' confidence has been shaken because "media coverage has left the strong perception - a perception that I do not share - that there is a strong anti-Irving bias inside City Hall. ... If this wrong perception is not corrected in words and deeds by you ... the city's growth will be stunted."

Rocca said the community must come together.

He asked council to "begin the process of bringing the port (authority) and the ILA together to find an acceptable compromise that will allow all of us to move forward together. I fully believe management and the ILA are acting in good faith, that they believe in what they say. Surely there can be a compromise that will allow all of us to move forward together and take advantage of the opportunities that are before us in the next few years, rather than squander the opportunity."

The comment on the alleged perception of an anti-Irving bias on council elicited a sharp rebuke from Mayor Ivan Court.

"There is nobody around this table that's anti-business or anti-Irving," said Court.

Before the session got underway, city manager Terry Totten, who has recommended council sell the land to Irving Oil, explained Monday's proceedings were just the tip of the iceberg in terms of the process that must occur before any development will go forward. He said the deal involved four separate lots that cover about nine acres.

Pat Riley, the business agent for the ILA's Local 273, said there are "far too many unanswered questions to this backroom deal."

He said the deal should not go forward at this time because of those unanswered questions.

Kitty Buschlepp, speaking as a private citizen, wondered "is this the best use for the land?" and suggested a cooling-off period is in order.

Tim Curry, the president of the Atlantica Centre for Energy, said approving the sale would send "a clear signal to our young people that career opportunities here in Atlantic Canada are on the rise and here for the long term."

Beth Kelly-Hatt and Gail Bremner, of Aquila Tours, spoke of the growing importance of the cruise-ship industry to the city and the fact that the proposed Irving Oil facility would include a second welcome centre for the dozens of ships that visit the city every year.

"The cruise business has grown significantly," said Kelly-Hatt. "The tents (at Long Wharf) have worked in the short term and a new facility at Long Wharf would show cruise companies that Saint John means business.

Derek Oland, executive chairman of Moosehead Breweries, said the project's importance goes way beyond the city limits.

"I can tell you that people are watching Saint John with great interest," said Oland. "When I travel across the Atlantic region, people ask me about the things that are happening in Saint John. They want to know about the energy hub and all the beneficial spinoffs that are resulting from that.

"I do not want my colleagues to say to me, 'How did Saint John blow this opportunity?'

"You must send a message to developers and business owners and entrepreneurs and decision-makers that Saint John is a city that's open for business. This decision and others that you will make over the next four years will have a profound impact not only on the city that you have chosen to govern, but on the entire region.

"I urge you to make this outstanding project happen. This is Saint John's moment - let's embrace it."
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This is a work in progress, but I thought I'd show you a rough idea of what I'm very slowly putting together.

Looks like downtown SJ is up for a near complete makeover. Congratulations from one of your friendly neighbours in Moncton!!
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A choice between a $30 million dollar global headquarters, or a mostly empty lot with a pile of limestone that a ship ties up to once every 2 months on average.

It's time for this political posturing stupidity to stop, and for them to approve the project.
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This is a work in progress, but I thought I'd show you a rough idea of what I'm very slowly putting together.
That looks great. I'll be interested in seeing how it progresses. Looks like the live image at an angle...I wonder if they have 3d capibilities like Google does where you could post it in the end when it's done.
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The Church of St. Andrew St. David met with its surrounding community that surrounds the church on Horsefield, Germain, Charlotte and Duke Streets.

While these things are subject to change it appears that the church wants to built a building that will have around 90 apartments and more than 90 parking spaces. The majority of the housing will be for NB Housing's list of low-income earners who qualify for subsidized housing. Still, the building is expected to house around 35 "market rent" units. The market rent units will include townhouses on Charlotte and Duke Streets.

The committee that presented tonight brought up that they are being guided by city officials to ensure the project fits zoning and heritage development standards.

The project as presented includes up to 5 storeys in height, though the fifth storey is supposed to be set back in such a way that it is not visible from street levels.
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The Covers that have been up at 112 Princess street since early this year came down today, allowing pedestrians to see the new storefront for the first time. There will be a press conference around noon tomorrow and there will be a show at 8:00 pm, The Silicone Diaries, part of Saint John Pride Week, providing we get our fire doors installed and sealed and our washrooms finished.
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Published Wednesday August 13th, 2008

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SAINT JOHN - Many predictable arguments were made on both sides of the debate during Monday's special common council session dealing with the question of whether the city should sell the former Lantic Sugar site to Irving Oil.


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Tim Vickers of ACAP Saint John, at Tin Can Beach. He sees the proposal to sell the former Lantic Sugar site to Irving Oil as a golden opportunity for the city to look at enhancing the popular Harbour Passage walking trail and the neglected beach at the end of Sydney Street.


The city's economic development agencies and uptown business owners are salivating at the thought that Irving Oil might build a $30-million global headquarters that would bring 1,000 jobs to Long Wharf.

Longshoremen and labour unions, on the other hand, are concerned about the future of the city's working port, even though no jobs will be lost due to the proposal and Long Wharf has been used only sporadically over the past decade.

Tim Vickers sees a different kind of opportunity - something beyond the ringing cash registers and additional housing the project could provide.

The executive director of the Atlantic Coastal Action Program (ACAP) Saint John saw Monday's session as the perfect time to make a pitch for a project that would see Harbour Passage extended down Water Street past the Lantic Sugar site to the area known as Tin Can Beach.

During his presentation to council Monday - Vickers was among the presenters in favour of the proposed sale - he noted the proposed sale of the land and possible future land swap was a golden opportunity for the city to look at enhancing both the popular Harbour Passage walking trail and the neglected Tim Can Beach. The beach is at the end of Sydney Street, near the former Lantic Sugar property.

"Over the years," Vickers said in an interview Tuesday, "Tin Can Beach has consistently been an area where residents have called in and said, 'It needs to be cleaned up. We use it and we've used it for years.' Some of our directors have pointed out that it's an area that could be enhanced - it's in the south end, it has value, it's a great vantage point.

"There is a large component of the public that is aware of it. And then it came to my attention in the not-too-distant past that the inner harbour land use plan had already identified that area as a place to be enhanced as part of Harbour Passage. It wasn't necessarily a new idea on my part. But nobody was really pushing it right now and I didn't see it being on the agenda that would push that, which is unfortunate. So I ignored the other environmental issues because I knew they were being covered and I focused just on that."

Vickers said his group is trying to help developers identify worthwhile community projects that could use assistance. For example, there are legislated environmental compensation requirements imposed on projects that cause damage to wetlands.

"So if (developers) damage a wetland, for example, they have to compensate by creating anywhere from four to 10 times as much wetland as they damaged," he said. "Quite often you have developers who are looking for compensation projects - they have to do them. The onus is on them to present the project for approval. If you have some potential projects lined up that are pre-screened, you can say to a developer or a philanthropist, 'Look, here's a place you can invest that money and we'd be more than happy to support you."

Vickers says the Tin Can Beach proposal could tie in to the proposed uptown developments. During his presentation, he showed enhanced photos that show trees lining the proposed Harbour Passage extension from Water Street to Tin Can Beach. There would be lookout stations at Tin Can Beach, similar to the one along Chesley Drive, he said, and possibly a pedestrian wharf that could extend into the harbour.

"We're trying to do more with the initiatives that are going on in the city right now," he said in the interview. "Not just focus on the jobs or the economic benefits, but the value-added quality-of-life issues that sustainable development is supposed to encompass. In this case, we have a public resource (in Tin Can Beach) that the people already use and enjoy the vantage point that it has.

"It was a timely opportunity, given the land transaction proposal, for us to put it in front of council and say Saint John has been working very hard for the last couple of years on just this kind of thing - if a development is happening, don't just look at the development. Look at the ripple effect - the benefits that could come from it. That's where this came from - there's the potential that Tin Can Beach could disappear if it's not looked after properly. With very little effort, we could conserve it for someone down the road to enhance it.

"There's enough on the table right now. It's not a question at this point in time to look at it as some sort of compensation. If it can be secured, that alone would be a huge step in the development."

Vickers felt the time was right to get the idea in front of council.

"Even if they decide not to sell at this point in time, all these concepts that I'm telling them about making sure that every development incorporates this aspect into it is applicable city-wide, whether it's today or tomorrow or next year," he said. "This is the type of thinking and the types of questions that they need to be asking of every single development - 'How does it fit into Harbour Passage?' 'How does it fit into these proposed cycle routes through the city?' 'Is anything that's happening going to stymie our ability to proceed with these projects a few years down the road?'

"I know the council and city staff have a lot on their plates and that's why we try to give them a visual and float something out for them to see. To tell them that Harbour Passage is supposed to go around the southern peninsula and all the way to Courtenay Bay and up Marsh Creek - make sure that when you make a decision that you don't cut into that or take away the ability to do that."
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