CLEVELAND | Project Rundown - Page 17

MuRrAy HiLL · #**321** Posted **Aug 12, 2008, 5:19 PM**

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Originally Posted by BelievelandD

WHen is Stark going to start on that project? I saw the plans back in May, and it looked great....but I havent heard anything since. I live in Lakewood now and would love to move downtown, I just want a full-service grocery store near. I hope they will put a trader joes or heinens in the flats.

I want to elaborate on this.

Current Grocery Stores:
1) Avenue District Marketplace - 1701 E 12th St (Reserve Square)
2) Constantino's Market - 1278 W 9th
3) WESTSIDE MARKET - 1979 W 25th St
4) Dave's Supermarket - 2700 Carroll Ave
5) Dave's Supermarket - 3301 Payne Ave
6) Good Harvest Foods Market‎ (Asian Market) - 3038 Payne Ave

Downtown Farmer’s Market: June-Sept every Friday in Warehouse District.

Lastly, both the Flats and Stark's project will include grocery stores, including the names you mentioned...fingers crossed!

RedCoat999 · #**322** Posted **Aug 12, 2008, 6:37 PM**

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Originally Posted by MuRrAy HiLL

I want to elaborate on this.

Current Grocery Stores:
1) Avenue District Marketplace - 1701 E 12th St (Reserve Square)
2) Constantino's Market - 1278 W 9th
3) WESTSIDE MARKET - 1979 W 25th St
4) Dave's Supermarket - 2700 Carroll Ave
5) Dave's Supermarket - 3301 Payne Ave
6) Good Harvest Foods Market‎ (Asian Market) - 3038 Payne Ave

Mapped here for your enjoyment and delight!:
http://maps.live.com/?v=2&encType=1&...29C977CCD1!786

MayDay · #**323** Posted **Aug 12, 2008, 6:39 PM**

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Originally Posted by BelievelandD

I think we need to continue to develop our west side...thats our most potential. Tremont, Ohio City and Detroit-shoreway area has alot of art, culture, cuisine. If it can continue to gentrify, then we could be looking at a really near part of cleveland, west of downtown. To be honest with you, I dont know if the east side between downtown and UC can ever develop, Euclid Corridor or not. It is very run-down and unsafe at a lot of places. If we can focus on certain areas, there will be a chance the gentrification can spread to other areas on the east side. ANy news on Jacobs building in Public Square?

I don't totally agree - sure, there should be continued redevelopment/rehabbing in Tremont/Ohio City/Detroit-Shoreway (and there is), but to "give up" on the eastern inner-city neighborhoods? The Avenue District is doing well, and it will likely spur development to the east, where areas like Asiatown are seeing redevelopment, even though it's less high-profile. A good example is the Tyler Village redevelopment - it's close to Asiatown (which by the way, has one of the lowest crime rates in all of the city), and it's a 1.2 million sq. ft. facility. When the Euclid Corridor project is actually operating, *that's* when you'll start to see reinvestment along Euclid between downtown and University Circle. Look at the rehabs that are happening at Cleveland State, etc. It'll take a while, longer than any of us would like but it's already underway.

As far as the Jacobs building, like I said over at urbanohio.com - that is such a closely watched project that ANY news will be reported in the first four hours it's released to the public. Asking about any new news... well, it's like the saying "a watched pot never boils"

cyclovert · #**324** Posted **Aug 31, 2008, 12:51 PM**

i was wondering if anyone new why the flats project required the razing of buildings north of the bridge.

maybe it was too much work to scrub off the stale cigarette smells?

thanks for your help in advance.

MayDay · #**325** Posted **Sep 2, 2008, 3:58 PM**

^The main reason is that they're not just building new buildings, they're reworking the street grid and utilities. Fyi, the smaller "shacks" along the river weren't of any historic significance - the only two buildings really worth mentioning (architecturally) were the two brick warehouses but even they paled in comparision to most others nearby:

Atlantan · #**326** Posted **Sep 8, 2008, 9:05 PM**

Is there any better renderings of the highrises in the Flats East Bank?

blackoakmoon · #**327** Posted **Sep 13, 2008, 5:24 PM**

The east side has some development, it's just less of a hot spot than West 6th and the warehouse district, and isn't advertised as much.Tower Press Lofts is utilizing the old wooltex building on Superior, and a lot of development, to the credit of designers and architects, is taking advantage of what already exists,and is recycling the old and keeping a sense of rootedness and history. I love the details to be found in a lot of the old buildings downtown and in surrounding areas.

area51ville · #**328** Posted **Sep 13, 2008, 9:19 PM**

Why is everyone focusing on everything else but the skyline? thats what people thinking of movin into other towns look at office space. Its the Face of the city its what can attract people.. i mean the thing that make a city most prosperous is the population. idk y r.e. jacobs is gonna settle for a mere 21 story building i mean its a nice lookin building but he himself was looking to make the cleveland skyline mighty...it disappoints me becuz who else can have the power to construct a building from 40-70 stories maybe even more why cant someone in my city dream big.. i dont see any1 else acquiring land and build bigger than usual skyscrapers...and if u wanna argue about whos gonna fill in the building?? isnt there somewhat an all-time demand for office space.. if i could id make a bigger glass marvel than the key building!

cle pride · #**329** Posted **Sep 16, 2008, 2:21 AM**

^Jacobs is planning to fit the needs of Cleveland right now. Someone who is impressed with a city only because of the number of tall buildings in it is not going to become enamored with Cleveland simply because we build one more tall building here. Most people don't want to go Downtown because it looks good from ten miles away. They want to go Downtown because there is a lot of streetlife and plenty of things to do there. Yes, Cleveland probably could build a larger building on Public Square if all other projects were killed and consolodated into one building, but what sense would that make? You can sit and obsess with tall buildings and a "mighty" skyline, or you can get real and figure out what this city needs to actually have a vibrant Downtown that attracts new residents and businesses while simultaneously becoming the center of the region where people go to have fun and shop. Cleveland already got a great skyscraper with the Key Tower, and it didn't magically solve all our problems. People are dreaming big here. They are dreaming of a great Downtown that is an asset to the region. You are dreaming of a tall building. Which one shows more foresight?

area51ville · #**330** Posted **Sep 16, 2008, 6:07 AM**

why then if what you said would happen dnt u agree that this city should be on a bigger pedestal than it is right now?? we were without a dout ohios top city once, when people say "CLEVELAND" they had to think of it like a detroit, philly, dallas or san fran..becuz we should be at that type of level so how can u say we shouldnt look fairly stacked in the skyscrapers dept.? i mean i agree with what u said for the most part with us needing more things for people to do and what not but that should already be known and done those are the simplest things to acomplish.. im lookin into the future guy.. and if u like to " " words like mighty u must not be as comitted to cle as much as "me" "BRAINY", everyone of the three buildings thats over 500 feet was so lucky of us to get if we got the opportunity to make something rare u "need to!" dude hey to tell u the truth i think a bunch of towers like Erieview Tower would be just as great...thats how we can attract big corporations like key bank..im serioulsy wouldnt u love this place evern more if it became what i dream it to be?

ExpatADAM · #**331** Posted **Sep 16, 2008, 8:40 AM**

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Originally Posted by cle pride

^Jacobs is planning to fit the needs of Cleveland right now. Someone who is impressed with a city only because of the number of tall buildings in it is not going to become enamored with Cleveland simply because we build one more tall building here. Most people don't want to go Downtown because it looks good from ten miles away. They want to go Downtown because there is a lot of streetlife and plenty of things to do there. Yes, Cleveland probably could build a larger building on Public Square if all other projects were killed and consolodated into one building, but what sense would that make? You can sit and obsess with tall buildings and a "mighty" skyline, or you can get real and figure out what this city needs to actually have a vibrant Downtown that attracts new residents and businesses while simultaneously becoming the center of the region where people go to have fun and shop. Cleveland already got a great skyscraper with the Key Tower, and it didn't magically solve all our problems. People are dreaming big here. They are dreaming of a great Downtown that is an asset to the region. You are dreaming of a tall building. Which one shows more foresight?

Very well said!

area51ville · #**332** Posted **Sep 17, 2008, 7:51 AM**

im dreamin cleveland could be like this my dude

u cant hate on me if it could be this way

cle pride · #**333** Posted **Sep 19, 2008, 4:55 AM**

Quote:

Originally Posted by area51ville

why then if what you said would happen dnt u agree that this city should be on a bigger pedestal than it is right now?? we were without a dout ohios top city once, when people say "CLEVELAND" they had to think of it like a detroit, philly, dallas or san fran..becuz we should be at that type of level so how can u say we shouldnt look fairly stacked in the skyscrapers dept.? i mean i agree with what u said for the most part with us needing more things for people to do and what not but that should already be known and done those are the simplest things to acomplish.. im lookin into the future guy.. and if u like to " " words like mighty u must not be as comitted to cle as much as "me" "BRAINY", everyone of the three buildings thats over 500 feet was so lucky of us to get if we got the opportunity to make something rare u "need to!" dude hey to tell u the truth i think a bunch of towers like Erieview Tower would be just as great...thats how we can attract big corporations like key bank..im serioulsy wouldnt u love this place evern more if it became what i dream it to be?

First off, I'd like to point out that putting words in quotations is not condescending to you or insulting to the city of Cleveland. It can actually mean that I am quoting you, but that I do not agree with your terminology or your ideas. When you say that we need to have a "mighty" skyline, what exactly do you mean? What will make us mighty? Should we have five superetalls first, or will one be enough to make us mighty? Should we look like Dallas or Chicago? How many buildings do we need to have above the 529' roof of Erieview before we are mighty in your opinion?

I think the last line of your post is where the problem really lies. You say that we will attract big corporations like Key by having a nice skyline. Companies do not decide where to move by passing around pictures of various skylines and picking the one that they think looks the nicest or by compiling statistics on the number and height of skyscrapers in a given city. We do not get businesses by possessing skyscrapers. We get skyscrapers by getting new and growing businesses. This can be done by creating a vibrant Downtown, utilizing a convention center to attract businesses, increasing the walkability of the area, increasing amenities, attracting more residents Downtown, building a strong local economy, setting up an excellent public transportation system, providing companies with an environment that fosters growth, possessing an educated and talented workforce, and plenty of other ways that are too numerous to mention. Once we attract new and growing businesses by working in these areas, skyscrapers will be built for those businesses. It does not happen the other way around. Cleveland is working in all of these areas. Progress may be slower than what you would like, but these things do not happen overnight and Downtown Cleveland is heading in a positive direction.

I would also like to point out that transforming Downtown into a 24 hour neighborhood and making it an entertainment and retail hub are far from "the simplest things to accomplish." There is nothing simple about a complex mixed use development that brings in new residents, creates new office space, and fills retail spots with the appropriate tenants. You're going to need a lot of development of this type that creates greater density before it becomes feasible to start building new skyscrapers left and right.

Atlantan · #**334** Posted **Sep 25, 2008, 9:52 PM**

With Eaton Corp building their new headquarters in the suburbs, does this have any affect on the Flats East Bank project, and is Ernst and Young (spelling) still interested in building on the site?

Atlantan · #**335** Posted **Sep 28, 2008, 4:46 PM**

Ernst and Young also planned on building a highrise on the site... right?

cle pride · #**336** Posted **Sep 28, 2008, 8:27 PM**

Eaton's decision won't bring this development down. Ernst & Young is still planning on moving into a new highrise on the site. Tucker Ellis & West is also going to be one of the tenants. Eaton would have just been icing on the cake. You should check out the website:

http://www.flatseast.com/

area51ville · #**337** Posted **Sep 29, 2008, 4:13 AM**

i know the last time i got on here i was rantin about more skyscrapers being brought in downtown...and i still feel that way along with what u were saying cle pride, about things for ppl to do down there etc... but now i'd like to touch on another subject about the metropolitian area of cleveland, theres that vote6 issue going around for the casino being built in ohio. I ask why would they neglect to make it or a mini-version of it here??? It would just make sense to me if they did it here becuz of thing like the national media we get through here becuz of our sports teams, businesses already being conducted and future ones as well.. that might be greedy becuz of where we are located in ohio but for the business standpoint i think it would be to there advantage of a money making business and b4 ne1 gets all ramped up about the sports teams comment it was just an example

MayDay · #**338** Posted **Sep 29, 2008, 6:29 PM**

Uhh, the casino vote has nothing to do with projects and construction in Cleveland - unless it actually gets passed and they end up with a proposal to build one in Cleveland so please keep this thread on-topic. Maybe you consider using proper punctuation and capitalization to make your posts more legible.

Atlantan, the only component of Flats East Bank that will be delayed because of the Eaton move is the "campus" proposed for the Waterfront Line loop.

area51ville · #**339** Posted **Sep 29, 2008, 11:05 PM**

I didn't know I had to be so punctual on here, but whatever to that. I'm wondering what's the likelyhood of a proposal happnening in the towndown area? I'm very certain there is room for construction somewhere down there.

MayDay · #**340** Posted **Sep 30, 2008, 12:55 AM**

Hmm, you do know that punctual means "on time", right? ;-) All I'm saying is, you seem like you have a good point to make, so why not take a little time to be articulate? I'm not saying that my grammar is perfect but over the years I've learned that if I want to be taken seriously, I need to make a little effort. I'm not saying you're ignorant - not at all - I'm saying, you seem like you have quite a bit to say and you don't have to prove anything here. So ditch the "omg bcuz", etc.

Anyway, yes - if/when state law is changed to allow casinos to built in Cleveland, I'm sure that we would see a proposal for somewhere in downtown. Of course, that leaves a lot of possibilities and who knows when/if that would happen.